From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V5 #163 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Wednesday, August 13 2003 Volume 05 : Number 163 In this issue: Re: [lucy-list] chances are... [lucy-list] Catie joins in on the Patty Griffin/Shawn Colvin/MCC/Dar Tour... [lucy-list] Now ...if someone can just get Lucy on this songwriter's tour... [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! [lucy-list] more deep thoughts on Deep Community [lucy-list] no resolution here... Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! [lucy-list] Fish tales Re: [lucy-list] Fish tales ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:57:34 -0400 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] chances are... Benay new york is city of millions and I have randomly run into Mr Rick Litvin 2x..and rick and lucy once..all by chance and had a nice chat each time.. once i even rode the train up town with rich.. i was going to see Nanci griffith at the beacon and meeting YOU.. i didnt see lucy in boylston this weekend.. My mother captured me and drugged me and took me to foxwoods.. though i saw the duke less mary chapin band.. sharon she puts on a hellava show...even if the stage spins around and round.. sharon Now, he's hell-bent for destruction, he's afraid and confused, And his brain has been mismanaged with great skill. All he believes are his eyes And his eyes, they just tell him lies. But there's a woman on my block, Sitting there in a cold chill. She say who gonna take away his license to kill? BOB DYLAN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:17:04 EDT From: SteadyOnDC@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] Catie joins in on the Patty Griffin/Shawn Colvin/MCC/Dar Tour... Hi all, Well...only one date so far 9...but it looks like Catie will join my other favorites for a songwriter tour. I'd love to see Catie show up at the Boston show too. Here are the dates and info.... Patty Griffin/Shawn Colvin/Mary Chapin Carpenter/Dar Williams - Songwriter US Tour Dates (*=Dar will not be performing. Catie Curtis will join Mary Chapin Carpenter, Shawn Colvin and Patty Griffin on * dates) Shawn Colvin and Patty Griffin. September 12 University Park, PA Penn State University September 13 Ledyard, CT Foxwoods Resort September 14 New York, NY Rumsey Playfield September 29 Pittsburgh, PA Benedum Center October 1 Albany, NY Palace Theater October 2 Springfield, MA Symphony Hall October 3 Boston, MA Wang Center October 4 Glenside, PA Keswick Theater* October 13 Chicago, IL Chicago Theater October 14 St Paul, MN O'Shaughnessy Theater October 15 Milwaukee, WI Pabst Theater October 17 Cleveland, OH Palace Theater October 18 Cincinnati, OH Tall Stacks Festival October 19 Columbus, OH Palace Theater October 26 Washington, DC Lincoln Theater October 27 Baltimore, MD Meyeroff Theater October 29 Richmond, VA Landmark Theater October 30 N. Charleston, SC Oyster Shell November 1 West Palm Beach, FL Kravis Center November 2 Sarasota, FL Van Wezel Perf. Arts Center November 12 Las Vegas, NV Cox Pavilion November 13 San Luis Obispo, CA Christopher Colvin Ctr. November 14 Santa Rosa, CA Luther Burbank Center November 15 SF, CA The Warfield November 16 Seattle, WA McCaw Hall November 17 Portland, OR Keller Auditorium ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:29:50 EDT From: SteadyOnDC@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] Now ...if someone can just get Lucy on this songwriter's tour... The only thing that would make that songwriter's tour even better...would be if Lucy were involved too. A girl can dream... - -DC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:28:43 -0500 From: "Timothy Bruce" Subject: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! I was intrigued by the title, Dar Williams gave it her personal stamp of community from the mainstage at FRFF, and I finally went to the Black Wolf Press website to look over the table of contents. No Lucy Kaplansky in the table of contents (!?!). This is a book apparently consisting of articles based mostly upon interviews with the performers. I intend to buy it regardless but, geez Louise, how can I own a book called "Deep Community-Adventures in the Modern Folk Underground" if it does not have Lucy Kaplansky (or Sharon) in it? With one hundred chapters and just about everyone else in it (Dar, Patty Larkin, The Nields Sisters, John Gorka, Richard Shindell, Greg Brown, Dave and Tracy...even Eddie From Ohio) I can not view this as simply an oversight--I sense it MAY have been intentional. Perhaps someone more in the know can fill me in here. Did Scott Alarik just never actually interview Lucy for his Boston Globe column (and she is perhaps mentioneded in the book tangentially?) or does he have something against her personally, like an aversion to red lipstick appearing on folk artists? Has anybody read the book yet and found little bits of Lucy in it? (Perhaps Lucy is not regarded as enough of a "traiblazer" to fit into the mode of the book? Gee, I dunno....But I had this idea of getting the book and having Lucy write something in it. If she is not included in it for some particular reason I'm not aware of, that could be an embarrassment. It's not like she doesn't have anything to say about the issues discussed in the book, or is hard to get an interview with. The truth of the matter is that Lucy was MY doorway to probably ten other of the folk artists listed in that huge (100 chapters!) table of contents and, eventually, the entire underground folk community itself. One of her major strengths is probably entirely off of Bostonian journalist Scott Alarik's radar: she still plays the small gigs in outstate areas in dozens of flyover states all across this great country, making those in attendance feel in-touch and in-tune with the urban folk pulse emanating from Manhatten and Boston. She does this with warmth and sincerity. I happen to be a mover and shaker in a major metropolitan area NOW but, even if I hadn't left my small hometown of Faribault, MN I probably STILL would have met Lucy and been brought to the modern folk underground community through her, as my VERY FIRST Lucy show was in that small, 17000 person hometown. It was her tireless outreach (putting miles and miles on rental cars) that managed to draw me in and, for this, I shall be forever grateful. How could I consider this book to be an adequate telling of "the story"? Anybody have any insights into this? Etimothy in south Minneapolis For more info on the book, go to http://www.blackwolfpress.com/authors/deepcommunity.shtml and click on "Table of Contents" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:45:02 -0400 From: bbubar@hearst.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! Well, I own the book, though I haven't finished reading it yet...and yes, the first thing I did was go through it and try to find a mention of Lucy, unsuccessfully. Which is especially ironic considering the fact that when Scott Alarik went on NPR a few weeks ago to discuss the folk community, the other interviewee on the program with him was...Lucy! And if at any point during that radio interview Scott Alarik said "Naaah, nah, nah, nah, nah, you're not in my b-o-o-k!" or if Lucy got up and put Scott Alarik in a chokehold and screamed, "What's the deal? HOW COME I'm not in your book? HUH? You better have an answer and it better be good, or ELSE!"---well, either they edited those part out or I missed them. One possible explanation that might let Scott Alarik off the hook a little is that the pieces WERE written as newspaper articles and most of them were related to shows happening in the Boston area at the time that they were written. Perhaps Lucy just didn't play in Boston at a convenient time for Scott Alarik to manage to have her as a subject. I doubt that leaving her out was an intentional thing. In any case, despite the admittedly GLARING omission of Lucy, the book is a good one. As for the omission of Sharon...well, there's really no excuse for THAT! Benay ========================================================= This e-mail message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, copy or distribute this message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the Hearst Information Services HelpDesk (helpdesk@hearst.com) immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:06:17 -0400 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! Hmmm...i'm not sure what comments to insert here without starting a major fight, this has been bugging me since i got the book.....Lucy has one little mention (that I've found so far) and that occurs in a statement about Cry Cry Cry in the Dar section (who got too many mentions if you ask me....but Lucy IS in Solo and Dar's not so :P) I'm not sure what to make of it...maybe there are some issues that we don't know about. I too thought it a little odd that Lucy was chosen to go on the air with Scott about the book....strange....but that is Lucy, she's Ms. professional.... - -K _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:33:12 -0400 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! Scott alarik writes for the Globe and the emphasis of his work is in the BOSTON folk scene..Lucy's folk base has always been NY.. its like east coast ..west coast.. there are different influences.. someone who has the Book... Look for the Roches, Christine Lavin, john Gorka ( all three have bigger name recognition) remember Lucy left folk for alot of years working as a harmony singer..She returned with vengence with C3 and has been nonstop dar is in the Timothy White book from his rollingstones writing and lucy is not.. it may be WHAT articles Scott had on hand someone write him and ask him about the oversight.. dar broke into the scene with a real unique writing style and songs.. She was tapped early by joan baez and toured the country twice and to europe.. dar has Kerrville and Newport and major songwriting awards.. Give dar her due.. Lucy got an earlier start .. and dropped out and had to come back without all those start up opportunities.. She couldnt go to Kerrville as a new artist.. Its like Shelby Lynn getting the new artist grammy.. she has 5 cds before becoming a new artist.. Lucy's history is her limitation in that regard.. and her strength in another aspect.. Boston Vs New York... check for the NY artists... solo.. was written by friends of Lucy.. who knows why dar wasnt included.. thats an obvious oversight.. maybe she refused.... 2 sides to all stories and we dont know them... its all speculation.. sharon well i grew up in massachusetts.. Scott Alarik didnt know that .. he thinks im a new yorker.. so i was left out.. Now, he's hell-bent for destruction, he's afraid and confused, And his brain has been mismanaged with great skill. All he believes are his eyes And his eyes, they just tell him lies. But there's a woman on my block, Sitting there in a cold chill. She say who gonna take away his license to kill? BOB DYLAN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:58:44 -0400 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] more deep thoughts on Deep Community On further consideration of the Book Question...with Controversial Book in hand...I find in the introduction (albeit somewhat buried): "This book should not be taken as a 'best of' compilation. While many of folk's biggest stars are profiled, my work has been inevitably informed by the serendipity of a daily newspaper. Some artists and folk businesses who deserve to be included in any encyclopedia of the music are not here, simply because I've not yet had the opportunity to write about them." And of course, we have to remember that we here have a tendency to look at this book through Lucy-colored glasses: "No Lucy??!! BAD folk book!" In fact, there are lots of artists in the book of whom I have never heard at all, and I can think of others besides Lucy who are not there but should be in my view---Susan Werner, Cheryl Wheeler, and Patty Griffin, to name a few (at least, I find them missing after a quick scan of the table of contents, though I may be wrong---my single BIGGEST problem with this book is its lack of an index!). I'm not really arguing with anybody, since I would love Lucy to be in this book as much as anybody would...I just think we may be viewing it as encyclopedic when it wasn't intended to be (And if somebody writes a folk encyclopedia, Lucy had better have at least a page, and I'll be among the first in line to buy it.) Sharon's just made some good points in the midst of my writing this...but I will send this anyway... Benay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:20:30 -0400 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] no resolution here... And no Lucy either...but a decent interview with Scott Alarik about the book is here if anyone is interested: http://www.here-now.org/shows/2003/05/20030512_17.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:33:46 -0400 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] A "Deep Community" without Lucy OR Sharon! Ok.....after a 20 minute multi-cigarette break contemplating what i was going to write back to this...... I don't want to turn this into a Lucy vs. Dar debate....I don't like Dar ...I make that known...i have personal reasons for this...my issue is with this book.... Yes it does focus on the Boston scene....HOWEVER...Greg Brown, John Gorka, etc, etc, do not play Boston anymore than Lucy does and they all got chapters...and its not even that she didn't get a chapter....she is blatently left out of relevant chapters... The Red House Records chapter....come on now...not a mention....mention Greg Brown, mention John Gorka, mention the Roche sisters.....no Lucy The Wayfaring Strangers chapter...he has a line where is mentions the guest vocalist....oh except for Lucy.... As for Lucy leaving and then coming back....i don't think that has anything to do with any of this...so what she left...she also returned around the same time that Dar BEGAN....I don't think that puts her at any disadvantage at all.... Lucy has contributed as much...if not more than many of the artists mentioned in this book and I think thats what bothers me the most. Is that it seems to be more than an accidental oversight.... To end this....my fish tank....I have little fishes ...and four of them....Lucy, Dar, Richard and Gorka all started out in the tank....well.....Richard got fat, Gorka got eaten, Dar committed suicide and well...Lucy is as happy as a ...umm...a fish :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:52:09 -0700 From: "Gina" Subject: [lucy-list] Fish tales Kristen wrote: To end this....my fish tank....I have little fishes ...and four of them....Lucy, Dar, Richard and Gorka all started out in the tank....well.....Richard got fat, Gorka got eaten, Dar committed suicide and well...Lucy is as happy as a ...umm...a fish :) I'd like to know if Richard ate Gorka? How do you know that Dar committed suicide? Of course we know that the Doc healed herself. But it is curious that she wasn't able to intervene in Dar's case. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:49:14 -0400 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Fish tales ...It is quite possible that Richard did eat Gorka....He is VERY VERY fat ...like a good 4 times the size of Lucy (and they started out the same sizea few weeks ago), though they aren't supposed to eat other fish, hmmmm ....and yes Dar committed suicide...one minute she was in the tank, a few minutes later she was dead on the floor---she jumped i'm sad to say. Lucy was always trying to break up fights between the other three...i think she's just given up by now...poor Gorka and Dar dead...RIchard is going to blow up any day now...i'd probably do the same thing as her, sit in the corner and stare at the glass She needs some new friends..yay trip to the petstore...depends on the sexes as to who is next to join this depressing little fishy folk festival Yep as you've all guessed it the stress from attempting to finish my thesis has finally broke me...i'm officially insane - -K >From: "Gina" >Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org >To: >Subject: [lucy-list] Fish tales >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:52:09 -0700 > >Kristen wrote: > >To end this....my fish tank....I have little fishes ...and four of >them....Lucy, Dar, Richard and Gorka all started out in the >tank....well.....Richard got fat, Gorka got eaten, Dar committed suicide >and >well...Lucy is as happy as a ...umm...a fish :) > >I'd like to know if Richard ate Gorka? How do you know that Dar committed >suicide? Of course we know that the Doc healed herself. But it is curious >that she wasn't able to intervene in Dar's case. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V5 #163 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message