From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V5 #57 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Thursday, March 13 2003 Volume 05 : Number 057 In this issue: Re: [lucy-list] concert clashes Re: [lucy-list] concert clashes [lucy-list] Stranger with YOUR hair [lucy-list] Uh ... Oh ... Cry ... Re: [lucy-list] Lucy at kuumbwa, March 8, 2003 Fwd: [lucy-list] Lucy at kuumbwa, March 8, 2003 (Setlist edits) [lucy-list] Why, I Oughta ... [lucy-list] cedar rapids [lucy-list] Producers Re: [lucy-list] Producers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:04:11 -0700 From: Jessica Byers Subject: Re: [lucy-list] concert clashes I certainly had no intention of encouraging anyone NOT to go to a Lucy show. I was not aware of the conflict at all, seeing as I am in Montana and will not be making it to either show. Oh, to be in a place where you actually have that many great choices on one night.... But I am happy that I got to see Tracy a few times last month (one here) and have Lucy coming here on May 3rd. Of course it helps to be the concert promoter, makes it easier to be sure that you get the shows you want.... Jess >>Ya know, one thing to think about is that if you've seen a performer lots of >>times, sometimes it's cool to occasinally take a pass and open the horizons >>to other artists! Lucy's around NYC alot, and Tracy is hardly ever there. >>She sure could use everyones support!! And I'm sure she puts on a great show >>to boot. With Dave Carters's songs, how could it be anything else? >> > >By and large, I think the way all this started was just that it tends to be >list etiquette (on all the lists I know of) not to heavily promote on a >given list concerts that, temporally and geographically, might compete with >those of the artist around whom the list is based. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:01 +0000 From: "John Blackley" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] concert clashes Regarding the potential date clashes with " Lucy" dates...for those in New York on 2nd and 3rd of May...try the Richard Thompson Band at NY Town Hall. (There is no conflict with Lucy that I can see). I went to see Richard last night at the Shepherds Bush Empire, London. It was an amazing show. Kim Richey opened...sang 8 songs...but missed a full band backing. Richard's band was Danny Thompson on bass (no relation), Earl Harvin on drums, and Pete Zorn on guitar, mandolin, saxes, etc Richard ( for those that don't know...he's Englands secret music guitar hero....used to be in Fairport Convention 30 odd years ago) was in sparkling form....sang a fair few from his new cd "the old kit bag "...and played , overall, for 2 hours 10 minutes inc. encores (3) I would seriously recommend him and his music to all Lucy listers.... This again, is not to take anything away from OUR appreciation of Lucy and her achievements ( but we've got at least another 9 months wait for her new cd) but as Benay said...we can still appreciate other artists as well. Wishing you all well, John Blackley. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:20:04 -0600 From: "Timothy Bruce" Subject: [lucy-list] Stranger with YOUR hair >>>Yes, Lucy WILL sing with John Gorka at FRFF. No, I do not have any insider info from FRFF. But it is the law.<<< Yes, Bena, and one of the classic songs they do when they sing together is "Stranger With Your Hair" on which Lucy sings harmonies on The Gorka CD. Sorry I can't remember the words EXACTLY, but it's something like this... "I saw a stranger with YOUR hair ...on national TV. I had to double take and stare Cuz it looked a bit like Benay..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:36:25 -0600 From: "Timothy Bruce" Subject: [lucy-list] Uh ... Oh ... Cry ... Sdgold60@aol.com wrote: >>>crycrycry timothy.. your logic doesnt follow.. DAR will ONLY be at FAlcon ridge on Saturday so if there is to be a reunion of sorts there is ONE day it could occur<<< I would have to concede, Sharon, that if Dar is only at FRFF for the one day, Saturday, that the probability of a proper CCC reunion is about nil. (Sigh!) So be it. Dar has a new CD out and will surely be working hard to get the new songs heard. I also think the three would need some "down time" backstage or elsewhere to figure out what to do...and that is gonna be in short supply Saturday. Timothy (PS ...the Dar list has been talking about a costume party at Camp Dar. I'll go as Curly if some other guitar players out there want to go as the other two Cry Babies. We can bill ourselves as "Larry, Dar, and Curly" and pick two or three CCC songs to do for the party.) (PSPS ...would that win the bet?) (PSPSPS ...congratulations on the wedding, Dave and Kay. Sorry it keeps you from your trip over the pond this year.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:09:57 -0500 From: PAULCHIU88@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Lucy at kuumbwa, March 8, 2003 Lucy-ites: I sent this to Susan for editing but apparently she is having email probs. Here's the setlist for the Kuumbwa show...Lucy accompanied by the great Nina Gerber on guitar. Paul C in Alameda 1. Cowboy Singer (Dave Carter) 2. Written on the Back of His Hand 3. One Good Reason 4. Just Because (George Strait) 5. Bonnie Banks of Dover??? (Scottish) 6. Don't Mind Me 7. Looking Thru You (Beatles) 8. Every Little Thing 9. Ten Year Night 10. Scorpion 11. End of the Day 12. What's So Funny about Peace, Love, and Understanding 13. This is Home 14. Land of the Living 15. Willie (Joni Mitchell) 16. Hole in my Head (Buddie Miller?) 17. Turn the Lights Back On 18. Someday Soon (Ian Tyson) 19. Broken Things (Julie Miller) 20. Encore 1: Flesh and Bone 21. " 2. By Way of Sorrow (Julie Miller, Nina requested) In a message dated 3/11/2003 9:50:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, sekrauss@attbi.com writes: > > > I'm Looking Through You is credited to Lennon/McCartney and Lucy attributed it > to Mr. Paul McCartney. > > I thought the Kuumbwa show was fabulous (and I can't believe that I didn't see > you John! I was sitting with Sue.) > > Anyway, lots of covers (but not Northern Cross) - By Way of Sorrow, Broken > Things, Cowboy Singer, What's So Funny 'Bout Peace Love & Understanding (with > killer guitar by Nina Gerber), Willie (on piano), Someday Soon....more will > come to me. > > I've been having email problems since the show and have to slog through a ton > of email before I lose access again so I don't know if anyone posted a set list > (Paul?). > > I didn't think Lucy looked sick or gaunt - definately thinner (even thinner > than she was in December (or was that November) when I saw her in Berkeley). > Her voice was a little different but I loved it - and felt like she was very > present in her emotions for each song. > > She talked about doing the Joni Mitchell tribute in a couple of weeks and the > influence Joni & Judy Collins had on her life. > > I did talk to her briefly after the show - someone mentioned a Fast Folk show > in Boston and I told her that I attended all the Fast Folk shows in NYC - she > was surprised and said there were some amazing shows - I agreed. I also told > her that I too listened to Judy Collins a lot when I was 15-16-17 and that must > explain why I liked Lucy the first time I heard her (sometime in 1982 or 1983) - > we had the same music sensibility. She thanked me for coming back to talk to > her. > > Mom and Dad weren't there but that was nice for a change as while I like Dad a > lot, it's a different show when he performs with Lucy > (which we get at every > Berkeley show). > > Anyway, one of the best Lucy shows I've ever seen. > > susan in alameda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:35:29 -0500 From: PAULCHIU88@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [lucy-list] Lucy at kuumbwa, March 8, 2003 (Setlist edits) Hi, Susan edited the setlist I submitted and asked me to forward..so for you perfectionist out there... For others, apologize for cluttering up your in-tray. Paul C in Fremont, CA Return-Path: Received: from rly-xh03.mx.aol.com (rly-xh03.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.232]) by air-xh05.mail.aol.com (v90_r2.5) with ESMTP id MAILINXH53-0312140254; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:02:54 -0500 Received: from web11604.mail.yahoo.com (web11604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.56]) by rly-xh03.mx.aol.com (v92.16) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXH31-4933e6f8457319; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:02:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20030312190244.67282.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.164.76.253] by web11604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:02:44 PST Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Krauss Reply-To: sekrauss@attbi.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Lucy at kuumbwa, March 8, 2003 To: paulchiu88@aol.com In-Reply-To: <7969CA16.7B20AC7F.0B4F1F37@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Paul, Can you forward to the list? My email is getting forwarded to an address which isn't subscribed so I can at least see what's new (I had a brief window of reading email last night but it disappeared before I got through it all). susan in alameda - --- PAULCHIU88@aol.com wrote: > 1. Cowboy Singer (Dave Carter) > 2. Written on the Back of His Hand > 3. One Good Reason > 4. Just Because (George Strait) This is HE THINKS I STILL CARE which Lucy attributed to George Jones (it's been recorded by a bunch of people) > 5. Bonnie Banks of Dover??? (Scottish) This is the infamous LOCH LOMOND > 6. Don't Mind Me > 7. Looking Thru You (Beatles) > 8. Every Little Thing > 9. Ten Year Night > 10. Scorpion > 11. End of the Day > 12. What's So Funny about Peace, Love, and > Understanding (ELVIS COSTELLO) > 13. This is Home > 14. Land of the Living > 15. Willie (Joni Mitchell) > 16. Hole in my Head (Buddie Miller?) YES, WRITTEN BY BUDDY & JIM LAUDERDALE and sung by Buddy and covered by the Dixie Chicks > 17. Turn the Lights Back On > 18. Someday Soon (Ian Tyson) > 19. Broken Things (Julie Miller) > 20. Encore 1: Flesh and Bone > 21. " 2. By Way of Sorrow (Julie Miller, Nina > requested) Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:28:35 -0000 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [lucy-list] Why, I Oughta ... > (PS ...the Dar list has been talking about a costume party at Camp Dar. > I'll go as Curly if some other guitar players out there want to go as the > other two Cry Babies. We can bill ourselves as "Larry, Dar, and Curly" and > pick two or three CCC songs to do for the party.) > > (PSPS ...would that win the bet?) No. :-p A little research throws up the fact that Minnesota is home to General Mills and the Hormel Foods Corporation, so I'm thinking I should be okay for provisions at FRFF 2004, courtesy of Timothy ... Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:33:52 -0500 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] cedar rapids when you fly into cedar rapids IOWA. there is a familiar smell in the air..as you drive towards IOWA CITY..it become more and more distinctive..its not the hog confinements you smell those when you drive to st paul.. Cedar Rapids is the home of Quaker Oats and Captain Crunch is in the air Wonder Bread is baked in Framingham MA and you can smell the bread for miles around.. i havent smelled table talk in worcester sharon odd things running thru her head as she heads to spring break congrats to dave and Kay who will be dancing to the Swimming song or Just you tonight - -- If your sister or your brother Were stumbling on their last mile In a self-inflicted exile Wish for them a humble friend And I hope someday That the best of Falstaff?s planners Give you seven half-built manors where half dreams may dream without end dar williams Return-Path: Received: from rly-xe02.mx.aol.com (rly-xe02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.194]) by air-xe05.mail.aol.com (v90_r2.5) with ESMTP id MAILINXE52-0312172948; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:29:48 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by rly-xe02.mx.aol.com (v92.16) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXE21-4113e6fb4c9338; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:29:30 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CMSdto018649 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2CMSdXm018646 for lucy-list-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2CMSbto018635 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([81.100.100.93]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030312222836.DLII27269.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@computer> for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:28:36 +0000 From: "Dave McKay" To: "Lucy List" Subject: [lucy-list] Why, I Oughta ... Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:28:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Sender: owner-lucy-list@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org > (PS ...the Dar list has been talking about a costume party at Camp Dar. > I'll go as Curly if some other guitar players out there want to go as the > other two Cry Babies. We can bill ourselves as "Larry, Dar, and Curly" and > pick two or three CCC songs to do for the party.) > > (PSPS ...would that win the bet?) No. :-p A little research throws up the fact that Minnesota is home to General Mills and the Hormel Foods Corporation, so I'm thinking I should be okay for provisions at FRFF 2004, courtesy of Timothy ... Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:53:32 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] Producers So, since this list was so helpful back when I wondered how musicians managed to carry all their stuff when traveling, I thought I'd pose another one of my "I'm a fan and HERE'S how little I actually know about the music business" questions that's occurring to me now: Lucy says in her latest announcement that her next album will be produced by Ben Wittman, and that got me wondering...what exactly does that MEAN in terms of a CD? Especially having just been through my little filming experience (by the way, it's been on-again, off-again, and the latest I've heard is that it's still on for sometime tomorrow morning on GMA, but no promises), where there was a producer whose function I really couldn't discern, I realize have no great insight into what a producer does in general, though I'm sure it's important. When I try to think specifically about what Ben Wittman would be DOING as the producer of Lucy's CD, I mostly get this image of him just sort of lounging there in a deck chair as she records, politely applauding and saying, "Nice! Now sing it again." But that can't be it, because if producing an album were just a matter of praising the artist and hearing stuff over and over again, then, well, given my love of Lucy's singing and my willingness---nay, sometimes YEARNING---to hear her sing the same things repeatedly..._I_ could produce Lucy's next album! No, it's got to be more than that. So what is it that Ben (not Bena) will be doing? Is it Ben Wittman who calls up John Gorka and Richard Shindell and tells them that by law they are required to sing on her album? Is it Ben Wittman who rounds up Duke Levine and/or Zev Katz and/or whoever the gang is who will make up the band this time around and gets into a huddle with them to figure out guitar parts so amazing as to make Lucy forget the next lines she's supposed to sing? Is it Ben Wittman who decides how many pictures go in the liner notes and whether they are of Glamourous Lucy, Mysterious Lucy, Tough Lucy, Troubled Lucy, Happy Lucy, or a combination? (I've noticed that venues that make up promotional materials for Lucy's shows seem to use Tough Lucy and Mysterious Lucy a lot, but I must say I always like the Happy Lucy pictures best myself...probably a sign of a lack of sophistication on my part, but there you have it.) If "What's a producer?" is not too dumb a question, or even if it IS but somebody wants to take a stab at answering, I'd be interested. (You could even make something up; I might not know the difference. Except you probably shouldn't make it sound TOO good, because if you say, "Producers listen to music all the time, eat lots of cheesecake, and get free luxury apartments and chauffeured limos," then I might quit my job and decide to BECOME a producer...and then sooner or later I would probably show up on your doorstep, disillusioned, my dreams crushed...and then, if you were a compassionate soul, you'd probably feel guilty for misleading me, so you'd have to take me in and help me figure out what to do with my life after that...and that would be a really big responsibility that you probably wouldn't care to shoulder.) Benay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:19:38 EST From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Producers producers...i believe they take the raw material and working with the artist start to shape the music.. they suggest orchestration and instruments and people and start to add the layers and all the ornamentation or suggest that it is kept simple they attempt to take the artists vision and operationalize it and make it into the music you listen to BENAY over and over and over Daniel Lanois for emmy lou T Bone Burnett Stuart Lehman Arif Mardin John Leventhal Larry Klein brian Eno Ben Wittman too all producers ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V5 #57 ****************************** This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message