From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V4 #276 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Saturday, December 7 2002 Volume 04 : Number 276 In this issue: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question [lucy-list] percentages Re: [lucy-list] percentages [lucy-list] 3.14 etc etc etc etc Re: [lucy-list] percentages Re: [lucy-list] 3.14 etc etc etc etc [lucy-list] On the road Re: [lucy-list] On the road Re: [lucy-list] On the road ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:11:35 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question As we await the West Coast reviews, I have a random question that is quite possibly fairly stupid...and no doubt there is a simple answer...but I have been wondering nonetheless: When an artist such as Lucy goes on a long-distance solo trip (like the one she's on now...I'm presuming she's traveling by herself), how does the transportation work? I mean, probably there would be a rental car upon arrival, but how does a singer/songwriter travel by plane with all the necessary STUFF? I'm particularly thinking of the guitar. I would think it's too big to be a carry-on, but if it gets checked as baggage, isn't there some concern that sometime it could get lost (or at least temporarily misplaced) by the airline? I've never heard of an artist losing a guitar when traveling by plane, but it would seem quite possible, and a singer/songwriter without a guitar at a gig would be something of a crisis. Or is it that the guitar gets checked, but insured for so much money that the airline wouldn't THINK of losing it? Even aside from the guitar problem, an artist traveling solo presumably has to ALSO bring merchandise to sell, plus whatever clothing and supplies they need onstage and off...unless they send some of the merchandise ahead, but I wouldn't think there would always be time. And all that stuff has to get into the airport, on the plane, off the plane, and from the plane to the rental car or taxi or whatever...seems like it could be a lot for one person to lug even a short distance. Clearly it's possible, because a whole lot of performers manage to travel very successfully...they have to! But can Lucy really simply "pick up [her] guitar and walk away" when her plane lands? It seems to me as if it must be rather more complex than that. (And clearly this is one of the MANY reasons why I am NOT a singer/songwriter---I would spend all my time worrying about these things!) I know it's silly, but I do wonder. Anybody know and care to enlighten me? Benay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:17:42 EST From: Pashonfish@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Benay, I'll ask Lucy tonight for you, if I get the chance. :=) Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:02:15 -0800 (PST) From: simona loberant Subject: Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question On the Merch front I have a plausible answer. I believe that they may use the postal system. I once helped protect some merch from a terrific rainstorm at an outdoor concert and noticed on one of the boxes that it had been sent to the festival's PO Box in care of that particular artist. I presume the same could be done for a venue or even to a hotel room. Plus for all that extra baggage I assume either the artist has to purchase an extra seat for the instruments (which happens quite often, I know many a guitar and cello player who must do that regularly). Or they check them... I'm going to assume that there are some great heavy duty cases with heavy duty locks that protect the instruments on the outside and pad them generoulsly on the inside! I have such a violin case and it has come in handy. I cannot imagine how many times that case has been dropped (down stairs even) and how many times my brother would jump on it and the violin rested comfortabley in its plush velvet interior with not so much as a scratch... and often not even getting severly out of tune! Now go back to working Benay! ~Simona Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:03:55 +0100 From: "Anna K." Subject: Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Hello there I am new here. My name is Anna. Don't joke about my horrible English, please. English is my second language and I am not good at writing. Question of Benay remained me a story about Suzanne Vega. Here it goes: Suzanne Vega writes all of her songs on a 1940 Martin 000-45 that she plays exclusively at home. Her stage guitar is a Taylor 514-CE outfitted with a Fishman Prefix Blend pickup/mic combo. "I was so impressed with the Taylors," Vega says. "I got one by mistake. I was doing a gig with Sarah McLachlan, and the truck disappeared with all our equipment in it. So they shipped in a bunch of equipment for us to use, and a Taylor guitar happened to be there. It was so warm and beautiful. It had all this nice amplification, but it still sounded like an acoustic guitar. I bought it on the spot, and that's become my favorite." The whole story at http://www.acousticguitar.com/issues/ag110/gear110.html Thanks for reading be well Anna Maria K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:29:54 -0500 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question hey anna welcome and thanks for the story about suzanne vega Suzanne vega last week had a letter posted in the times. it seems on November 11th someone explained the difference between Tom's resturant in NYC and Toms Diner in Brooklyn and she thanked them for explaining what she has been explaining about "her" song for years Anna your english was A-okay with me..and if you need help i volunteer benay to help you.. Dumb Questions...Benay.. i know i have seen Guy Davis in Laguadia and his guitars were coming out of the baggage pick up.. they were in hard cases.. i know an airline lost two of richard shindells guitars and they ended up in little pieces..I have also seen musicians carry on their instruments and place them in the closet in the back.. Cliff lost his guitars in the trunks of a rental car when he had an accident and i am concerned when i see an artist put their guitar in the trunk.. i try to place it between the back seat and front seats to protect it or totally demolish it in case of accident.. i think insurance covers it.. or NO insurance could cover that old Martin Lucy used to play.. the sentimental value is priceless.. many artists..carry merch in a suitcase with a handle and check it on their flights. with the recent regulations of 2 checked bags and one carryon i guess it becomes pretty expensive to check all that merch some artists have their merch sent.. I have met dar's merch in all sorts of places..I will be meeting merch in Ames Iowa and then more in IOWA City..the venue will send it back or before i leave, ill pack it up and send it back east.. i have met her merch in minnesota and taken it on the road.. i have carried her merch to alot of shows,even when i havent shown up.. i have had it stored in my living and stored in my car.. i also have helped lucy and rick take the merch out of their trunk..( i have helped many artists carry it out of their cars/vans and back to their cars) i know lucy gets her from RED HOUSE has her supply with her.. i suspect she can mail it to mom and dad as they are her west coast roadies and they can accommodate a stock for her.. it sucks when they run out and cant get more.. and its a pleasure to run out.. it means they have sold it.. its the percentages that get me.. the venues take a share and sometimes its sizeable even if the artist has their own merch staff..sometimes they are charged less if their staff sell for them.. their staff...Goofball fans who get in for nothing and are reliable to sell.. rather than some unknowledgeable volunteer or a college student who doesnt care if they are a few hundred dollars off.. or a handsome, artistic professor husband who routinely is the merchgirl for his singer songwriter wife.. sharon on merchandise.. If your sister or your brother Were stumbling on their last mile In a self-inflicted exile Wish for them a humble friend And I hope someday That the best of Falstaffbs planners Give you seven half-built manors where half dreams may dream without end dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:35:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Matt Pankratz" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question Czesc Anna! I'm extrapolating from your email address that you might be in Poland. And the above greeting is the extent of Polish I remember from my 3 months there... I always enjoy looking at the "what they play" section in Acoustic Guitar. It also lets me dream about what type of gear I'd buy if I had the money! I seem to remember that Lucy plays a smaller Martin model. But perhaps I'm wrong. The last time I saw Lucy in KS she was had Jennifer Kimball open for her. She mentioned driving with Jennifer to the gigs on her tour swing in their rental. I hope everyone has a good weekend! I'm very thankful it's Friday - -- Matt Pankratz http://www.mattyp.net Anna K. said: > Hello there > > I am new here. My name is Anna. Don't joke about my horrible English, > please. English is my second language and I am not good at writing. > > Question of Benay remained me a story about Suzanne Vega. Here it goes: > > Suzanne Vega writes all of her songs on a 1940 Martin 000-45 that she > plays exclusively at home. Her stage guitar is a Taylor 514-CE outfitted > with a Fishman Prefix Blend pickup/mic combo. "I was so impressed with > the Taylors," Vega says. "I got one by mistake. I was doing a gig with > Sarah McLachlan, and the truck disappeared with all our equipment in it. > So they shipped in a bunch of equipment for us to use, and a Taylor > guitar happened to be there. It was so warm and beautiful. It had all > this nice > amplification, but it still sounded like an acoustic guitar. I bought it > on the spot, and that's become my favorite." > > The whole story at > http://www.acousticguitar.com/issues/ag110/gear110.html > > > Thanks for reading > be well > > Anna Maria K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:44:52 EST From: Bn2Synthsz@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] dumb logistical question In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:30:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, Sdgold60@aol.com writes: > its the percentages that get me.. the venues take a share > and sometimes its sizeable even if the artist has their own merch > staff..sometimes they are charged less if their staff sell for them.. > their staff...Goofball fans who get in for nothing and are reliable to > sell.. rather than some unknowledgeable volunteer or a college student who > doesnt care if they are a few hundred dollars off.. or a handsome, artistic > professor husband who > routinely is the merchgirl for his singer songwriter wife ouch! As a volunteer at the venerable me & thee, I can tell you that we would never dream of taking a cut of the proceeds! We gladly sell the performer's goods for no fee at all. I've done it myself many a time. Occasionally the artist feels generous and gives the seller a CD.... that's all the pay we get...and that's not even expected. I can't imagine anyone being so greedy as to expect a cut of the action. How rude is that? Kathy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:57:35 -0500 From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] percentages hey kathy.. as a volunteer also at a community coffeehouse..i know the artist gets 100% of the merch sales but isnt like that in other types of venues or Performing art centers..that is part of the business of making music its all a contractual thing.. how much of the door sales an artist gets.. how much they are paid.. sometimes a smaller venue charge and a 100% of the sales is more profitable.. who can say why someone takes one job over another.. based on less or more money, on the politics..future market sales, resume material.. peace of mind..something to do.. not a night off.. i am sure there are other out there who know more about this stuff than i do... sharon If your sister or your brother Were stumbling on their last mile In a self-inflicted exile Wish for them a humble friend And I hope someday That the best of Falstaffbs planners Give you seven half-built manors where half dreams may dream without end dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:15:22 EST From: Bn2Synthsz@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] percentages In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:58:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, Sdgold60@aol.com writes: > i am sure there are other out there who know more about this stuff than i > do... > > true! I was just reacting to my own politics that it would be very uncool to sell merchandise and expect a cut. Ugh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:08:33 EST From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] 3.14 etc etc etc etc Pi configured beyond your wildest dreams newsflash 1.24 trillion digits of PI recorded.. takes researchers 5 years to write program to calculate PI... to quote Lucy "they need to get a life" if your sister or your brother were stumbling on their last mile in a self-inflicted exile wish for them a humble friend and i hope someday that the best of falstaffs planners give you seven half-built manors where dreams may dream without end dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:13:03 -0500 From: Tom Neff Subject: Re: [lucy-list] percentages - --On Friday, December 06, 2002 2:15 PM -0500 Bn2Synthsz@aol.com wrote: > I was just reacting to my own politics that it would be very uncool to > sell merchandise and expect a cut. Ugh. If this is in reference to venues taking a percentage of merchandise revenue, here's another thought: it would be very uncool to arrive at your favorite club or concert hall and find a big fat steel chain across the door. That would happen because the venue was out of business, since it was unable to pay its rent, bills and staff. Most clubs are hanging on by their fingernails these days. A modest cut of the merch is standard practice for any venue that pays rent. The real battleground is with places that want to take 70% and stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:42:16 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] 3.14 etc etc etc etc > 1.24 trillion digits of PI recorded.. takes researchers 5 years to write > program to calculate PI... Well, at least no one's attempting to MEMORIZE that many...as far as we know! > to quote Lucy "they need to get a life" Me too, possibly...given that my first thought upon seeing the subject header was "3.14?...what's she talking about?...there's no Lucy show on 3/14...at least not near HERE...did Sharon scoop me AGAIN?" Well, no...it was just pi. (But hey, I wonder if anyone has ever thought of celebrating pi on 3/14...I rather think we should do so on the Lucy-list!) Benay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:28:01 -0600 From: "Gina" Subject: [lucy-list] On the road http://www.delta-sky.com/editorial/09-02/editorial/features/firstperson/defau lt.htm Here is a little article about folksingers on the road. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:00:22 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] On the road > http://www.delta-sky.com/editorial/09-02/editorial/features/firstperson/defau > lt.htm Hysterical! Even if it doesn't directly address my question, I'm glad I asked...and I must go see Christine Lavin someday! I may have to fly Delta from now on...that's the best airline magazine article I've ever seen. (Of course, I fly maybe once a year, so perhaps my judgement isn't so great on that.) I enjoyed the Suzanne Vega story too...welcome to Anna from me also...your English works just fine here, so please feel free to post whenever you like. We are becoming quite the international crowd... Lucy is presumably singing in Oregon tonight, while I have had to devote my evening to grocery shopping and laundry...sigh. (At least I did get to hear SOME of the Mountain Stage rebroadcast at work, as the static was not too bad. What I heard was lovely. Except people kept wanting me to do stuff...like WORK...and I couldn't quite bring myself to explain that it was imperative that I be at my desk to hear all the harmonies on the Gandhi/Buddha song....) Benay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:53:34 -0600 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] On the road If you would like to get a little taste of the mighty Christine Lavin live, you can go to: http://www.electricedge.com/testingtesting/pictures/11-09-99/11-09-99.htm This is an archive of an internet concert that she did. We all listened and were able to email her in real time. They read the emails to her and she responded to us. It was really cool. If you listen to the second half of the show, you will hear my email *grin* Be warned, the opening act, actually the house band, was kind of terrible, but not if you don't mind off key singing. Maybe we could get Lucy to do one of those. This one was done from Whidbey Island, off of Seattle. I'm sure they would love to have Lucy do that. And we know that we would! Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: Benay Bubar To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] On the road > > http://www.delta-sky.com/editorial/09-02/editorial/features/firstperson/defa u > > lt.htm > > Hysterical! Even if it doesn't directly address my question, I'm glad I > asked...and I must go see Christine Lavin someday! I may have to fly Delta > from now on...that's the best airline magazine article I've ever seen. (Of > course, I fly maybe once a year, so perhaps my judgement isn't so great on > that.) > > I enjoyed the Suzanne Vega story too...welcome to Anna from me also...your > English works just fine here, so please feel free to post whenever you like. > We are becoming quite the international crowd... > > Lucy is presumably singing in Oregon tonight, while I have had to devote my > evening to grocery shopping and laundry...sigh. (At least I did get to hear > SOME of the Mountain Stage rebroadcast at work, as the static was not too > bad. What I heard was lovely. Except people kept wanting me to do > stuff...like WORK...and I couldn't quite bring myself to explain that it was > imperative that I be at my desk to hear all the harmonies on the > Gandhi/Buddha song....) > > Benay ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V4 #276 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message