From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V4 #273 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Tuesday, December 3 2002 Volume 04 : Number 273 In this issue: [lucy-list] Re: the Capitol Steps [lucy-list] on Judy Collins, and mistakes... Re: [lucy-list] on Judy Collins, and mistakes... RE: [lucy-list] on Judy Collins, and mistakes... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:24:03 -0000 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [lucy-list] Re: the Capitol Steps > I typed it wrong anyway and realized it afterward and had > visions of many irate people calling me a fraud for ever having promoted > myself as a Grammar Person when I can't even keep a simple homophone (I > almost typed homonym, but that too would have been wrong) straight. I never thought I'd see the day when homophonia would rear its ugly head on the Lucy list ... Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:10:49 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] on Judy Collins, and mistakes... So tonight as I was flipping through the TV channels in an after-work daze, I came across the surprising sight of Judy Collins singing Amazing Grace while sitting in the PBS offices, over the murmur of people on telephones. It was one of the fundraising breaks for the local public TV channel...and since this is New York City and even the local stuff tends to be at least mildly star-studded, we actually got to see Judy Collins shooting the breeze with the PBS guy, who had asked her to sing Amazing Grace. I couldn't help thinking back to hearing Lucy (OK, and a couple of other people too) singing that song with her earlier this year. It turned out that the reason Judy Collins was on PBS was that they were showing This Land Is Your Land, a special tribute to folk music. And the next thing to come onscreen after the fundraising break was Judy Collins at the actual event, presumably some time ago, singing Both Sides Now. I settled in to watch, in the generally worshipful mode in which I view Judy Collins since seeing her live (wasn't sure I'd be that wild about her before I actually saw her, but she converted me quickly...now I listen raptly whenever I hear anything by her). Anyway, Judy launched into Both Sides Now with elegant mastery, went through the first two verses without a hitch, then started the third: "Tears and fears and feeling proud/To say 'I love you' right out loud/Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels..." And on she went, but I had a vaguely odd sensation...I thought, gosh, I thought I heard that line earlier, and it doesn't quite rhyme, but this is JUDY COLLINS, so it must be right... Then it hit me: wow, JUDY COLLINS sang a wrong line! On television, no less! It sounds rather obnoxious of me to have even noticed, or mention noticing, but it really wasn't with any sense of knowing superiority that I noted the error...it was more like vast relief. I'd always pretty much figured JUDY COLLINS, if only because she was JUDY COLLINS (I think of her kind of that way, in capitals) knew her songs perfectly and sang every word correctly every single time after all these years, especially when it came to songs deeply identified with her like Both Sides Now. But, though she can cover it up really well, I guess she's as capable of forgetting a lyric on occasion as Lucy or anybody else. Which should have been obvious to me before tonight...I mean, of COURSE...but it wasn't. I have to admit that some part of me has always been kind of happy that Lucy forgets a lyric now and then...and is even happier at the realization that Judy Collins does too. Not that I officially WANT them to forget...but it's just somehow immensely reassuring. After a day when I have screwed up at least twice in my OWN job that I am supposed to know forwards and backwards (and that pretty much makes it an average workday, I'm afraid), it's nice to be reminded that even the singers I'm in awe of make mistakes sometimes too...and go on with the show. Enough for the evening. More Lucy shows to hear about (hopefully) in just a few days...I'm counting on those of you on the West Coast! Benay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:06:17 -0600 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] on Judy Collins, and mistakes... Oh Benay, There was an old SNL show where Judy sang the right words but missed lots of notes and sounded so awful, I had to turn the sound off. And, when I saw a rerun of it years later, I had to do the same. Anyone else see that? Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: Benay Bubar To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: [lucy-list] on Judy Collins, and mistakes... > So tonight as I was flipping through the TV channels in an after-work daze, > I came across the surprising sight of Judy Collins singing Amazing Grace > while sitting in the PBS offices, over the murmur of people on telephones. > It was one of the fundraising breaks for the local public TV channel...and > since this is New York City and even the local stuff tends to be at least > mildly star-studded, we actually got to see Judy Collins shooting the breeze > with the PBS guy, who had asked her to sing Amazing Grace. I couldn't help > thinking back to hearing Lucy (OK, and a couple of other people too) singing > that song with her earlier this year. > > It turned out that the reason Judy Collins was on PBS was that they were > showing This Land Is Your Land, a special tribute to folk music. And the > next thing to come onscreen after the fundraising break was Judy Collins at > the actual event, presumably some time ago, singing Both Sides Now. I > settled in to watch, in the generally worshipful mode in which I view Judy > Collins since seeing her live (wasn't sure I'd be that wild about her before > I actually saw her, but she converted me quickly...now I listen raptly > whenever I hear anything by her). Anyway, Judy launched into Both Sides Now > with elegant mastery, went through the first two verses without a hitch, > then started the third: "Tears and fears and feeling proud/To say 'I love > you' right out loud/Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels..." And on she went, > but I had a vaguely odd sensation...I thought, gosh, I thought I heard that > line earlier, and it doesn't quite rhyme, but this is JUDY COLLINS, so it > must be right... > > Then it hit me: wow, JUDY COLLINS sang a wrong line! On television, no less! > > It sounds rather obnoxious of me to have even noticed, or mention noticing, > but it really wasn't with any sense of knowing superiority that I noted the > error...it was more like vast relief. I'd always pretty much figured JUDY > COLLINS, if only because she was JUDY COLLINS (I think of her kind of that > way, in capitals) knew her songs perfectly and sang every word correctly > every single time after all these years, especially when it came to songs > deeply identified with her like Both Sides Now. But, though she can cover it > up really well, I guess she's as capable of forgetting a lyric on occasion > as Lucy or anybody else. Which should have been obvious to me before > tonight...I mean, of COURSE...but it wasn't. > > I have to admit that some part of me has always been kind of happy that Lucy > forgets a lyric now and then...and is even happier at the realization that > Judy Collins does too. Not that I officially WANT them to forget...but it's > just somehow immensely reassuring. After a day when I have screwed up at > least twice in my OWN job that I am supposed to know forwards and backwards > (and that pretty much makes it an average workday, I'm afraid), it's nice to > be reminded that even the singers I'm in awe of make mistakes sometimes > too...and go on with the show. > > Enough for the evening. More Lucy shows to hear about (hopefully) in just a > few days...I'm counting on those of you on the West Coast! > > Benay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:52:23 -0800 From: "Susan Krauss" Subject: RE: [lucy-list] on Judy Collins, and mistakes... That SNL with Judy was sometime between 1978-1980 and she was still drinking. She's been sober for several years and her voice is wonderful. Everyone forgets the words sometimes - even to songs they've sung a million times. We're see Judy Thursday night a week (12/12) from now and Lucy that next Friday night (12/13) and Holly Near & Linda Tillery that next Saturday night (12/14). Phew. Judy is the reason I have 1000+ cds and hundreds of LPs and tapes. My mom gave me her record RECOLLECTIONS when I was 12. All I wanted was a Beatles record and I wouldn't listen to Judy for 6 months, but when I did, I fell in love. Then my brother said I should listen to the original versions of all the songs she sung and there was Leonard Cohen, Tom Paxton, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Phil Ochs and more. And here I am 30 years later still listening to Judy (and all those she introduced me to and all the new folks that have come along). susan in alameda n.p. Josh Groben special on PBS (taping for my partner) ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V4 #273 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message