From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V4 #266 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Monday, November 25 2002 Volume 04 : Number 266 In this issue: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI Re: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI Re: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI Re: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI [lucy-list] some response to Beth's comments [lucy-list] the "A You're Adorable" guy [lucy-list] sorry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:18:57 -0500 From: Beth Simons Subject: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI wow, i have several observations to make about this show. 1. YAY for just you tonight and some other song on piano. i REALLY like lucy's voice with piano. i'd never had the pleasure of a piano show before. 2. maybe it was since i just saw her 2 weeks ago, but i found the stories and jokes really stale. i know this has been discussed before. my $.02--yes, she makes them seem so spontaneous and they really ARE funny, but when you hear the same stories essentially VERBATIM at each show, it can get boring. i don't know how benay does it. i felt bad not laughing at everything, particularly since it was such a quiet crowd (where were you, lucy-listers?!), but things just aren't as funny the second or third time around. 3. i DID get to hear the beautiful mind story and "song about pi" for the very first time, however. OH MY GOODNESS song about pi is SO awesome. does anyone have a boot of it? when lucy announced that she was going to do a song by her dad, i let out a relatively quiet "yay!" and she stopped mid-sentence and said, "that's a bit scary..." hahahaha. i *like* her dad's songs! :) and especially at RPI, with many a math geek in the audience, song about pi was a perfect choice and greatly appreciated. a friend of mine who was there with me is a member of RPI's co-ed a cappella group, the rensselyrics, and i do believe she might email mr. kaplansky and ask for the sheet music so they can perform it!! how funny would that be?! :) (side geek note: lucy knows pi out to ONE place less than i do!! 3.1415926535897NINE! ;-) ) 4. will she EVER do "i know what kind of love this is" for me?! i have requested it at every show i've been to (except frff) and she always hears me, acknowledges the request, and then does something else. i understand that she can't accomodate every request, but COME ON! i asked her after one show if she even still does it, and she said that indeed she does. i guess just not for me! hehehe i'm not really whining, people. just stating a simple wish that has yet to be fulfilled... ;-) 5. yay to hear dave carter's "cowboy singer" entered into the normal mix. can anyone think of another dave song that would also fit lucy's style? i still think of cowboy singer as mark erelli's dave tribute song. 6. setlist: first set: the angels rejoiced last night 1 good reason the tide don't mind me cowboy singer (dave carter tribute) loch lomond (w/ air guitar story) guilty as sin i'm looking through you just you tonight (PIANO!) 10 year night (w/ philly eagles joke, which fell SO flat w/ this crowd...go back to the bug story, lucy! :) ) this is mine second set: 5 in the morning i had something (yay!) scorpion (wow!) this is home land of the living hot burrito #1 song about pi (w/ beautiful mind story) written on the back of his hand at the end of the day by way of sorrow encore request: secret journey it was a great show musically. i liked seeing her with duke levine a few weeks ago, but was pleased to see sololucy this weekend. my friends were tired and cranky, so i didn't get to hang around to chat w/ lucy at all, unfortunately. silly friends. ok, who's next? - --beth, off to her radio show where she has kris delmhorst and mark erelli in studio tonight--YAY! <>o<>o<>o<>o<> Beth Simons beth@simons.mv.com Durham and Merrimack, NH (and St-Brieuc, France, at heart) "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be." --Douglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:39:52 -0600 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI A lot of folk artists tell the same jokes/stories over and over. It's kind of hard for me sometimes too. But, if the crowd is enthused about hearing them, sometimes I still have fun with them. It is definitely a folk artist sort of weakness. I've heard some of the same stories year after year after year! As a loosely connected Lucy thing... the guy who wrote "A You're Adorable" died yesterday. I heard a blurb on the radio. I think his last name was Kaye. Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Simons To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI > wow, i have several observations to make about this show. > > 1. YAY for just you tonight and some other song on piano. i REALLY like > lucy's voice with piano. i'd never had the pleasure of a piano show before. > > 2. maybe it was since i just saw her 2 weeks ago, but i found the stories > and jokes really stale. i know this has been discussed before. my > $.02--yes, she makes them seem so spontaneous and they really ARE funny, > but when you hear the same stories essentially VERBATIM at each show, it > can get boring. i don't know how benay does it. i felt bad not laughing at > everything, particularly since it was such a quiet crowd (where were you, > lucy-listers?!), but things just aren't as funny the second or third time > around. > > 3. i DID get to hear the beautiful mind story and "song about pi" for the > very first time, however. OH MY GOODNESS song about pi is SO awesome. does > anyone have a boot of it? when lucy announced that she was going to do a > song by her dad, i let out a relatively quiet "yay!" and she stopped > mid-sentence and said, "that's a bit scary..." hahahaha. i *like* her dad's > songs! :) and especially at RPI, with many a math geek in the audience, > song about pi was a perfect choice and greatly appreciated. a friend of > mine who was there with me is a member of RPI's co-ed a cappella group, the > rensselyrics, and i do believe she might email mr. kaplansky and ask for > the sheet music so they can perform it!! how funny would that be?! :) (side > geek note: lucy knows pi out to ONE place less than i do!! > 3.1415926535897NINE! ;-) ) > > 4. will she EVER do "i know what kind of love this is" for me?! i have > requested it at every show i've been to (except frff) and she always hears > me, acknowledges the request, and then does something else. i understand > that she can't accomodate every request, but COME ON! i asked her after one > show if she even still does it, and she said that indeed she does. i guess > just not for me! hehehe i'm not really whining, people. just stating a > simple wish that has yet to be fulfilled... ;-) > > 5. yay to hear dave carter's "cowboy singer" entered into the normal mix. > can anyone think of another dave song that would also fit lucy's style? i > still think of cowboy singer as mark erelli's dave tribute song. > > 6. setlist: > > first set: > the angels rejoiced last night > 1 good reason > the tide > don't mind me > cowboy singer (dave carter tribute) > loch lomond (w/ air guitar story) > guilty as sin > i'm looking through you > just you tonight (PIANO!) > 10 year night (w/ philly eagles joke, which fell SO flat w/ this crowd...go > back to the bug story, lucy! :) ) > this is mine > > second set: > 5 in the morning > i had something (yay!) > scorpion (wow!) > this is home > land of the living > hot burrito #1 > song about pi (w/ beautiful mind story) > written on the back of his hand > at the end of the day > by way of sorrow > > encore request: > secret journey > > it was a great show musically. i liked seeing her with duke levine a few > weeks ago, but was pleased to see sololucy this weekend. > > my friends were tired and cranky, so i didn't get to hang around to chat w/ > lucy at all, unfortunately. silly friends. > > ok, who's next? > --beth, off to her radio show where she has kris delmhorst and mark erelli > in studio tonight--YAY! > > <>o<>o<>o<>o<> > Beth Simons > beth@simons.mv.com > Durham and Merrimack, NH (and St-Brieuc, France, at heart) > > "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up > where I intended to be." > --Douglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:05:55 -0500 From: Tom Neff Subject: Re: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI - --On Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:39 PM -0600 Gina wrote: > A lot of folk artists tell the same jokes/stories over and over. It's > kind of hard for me sometimes too. But, if the crowd is enthused about > hearing them, sometimes I still have fun with them. It is definitely a > folk artist sort of weakness. I've heard some of the same stories year > after year after year! One solution: instead of seeing the same folk artist again and again and again in town after town after town, go see as many DIFFERENT folk artists as possible. This ensures that you will hear lots of different jokes and stories, gives your favorite performers time to restock their patter repertoire, and incidentally, helps independent music nationwide. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:59:56 -0500 From: Beth Simons Subject: Re: [lucy-list] lucy at RPI At 06:05 PM 11/24/2002 -0500, Tom Neff wrote: >One solution: instead of seeing the same folk artist again and again and >again in town after town after town, go see as many DIFFERENT folk artists >as possible. This ensures that you will hear lots of different jokes and >stories, gives your favorite performers time to restock their patter >repertoire, and incidentally, helps independent music nationwide. if only you knew how many artists i have seen over the course of this semester. yes, i see multiple shows per artist if tour schedules make it possible, but just of the top of my head, i have seen over 2 dozen different artists since the beginning of september. prime examples: this weekend i saw erin mckeown, lucy, kris delmhorst, and mark erelli. the weekend before i saw 6 different local rock/alternative groups in 3 nights. i wonder what benay's take on the whole breadth vs. depth thing is... - --beth <>o<>o<>o<>o<> Beth Simons beth@simons.mv.com Durham and Merrimack, NH (and St-Brieuc, France, at heart) "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be." --Douglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:21:18 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] some response to Beth's comments > i wonder what benay's take on the whole breadth vs. depth thing is... I don't know if I can take on "the whole breadth vs. depth" thing tonight...I don't think I can even take on the review of Lucy at the 92nd Street Y tonight...it's late and I have work tomorrow, and it's the last review of a Lucy show I'll get to do for two and a half months so I don't want it to be TOO slapdash an affair. (Word to the wise, though: it will be, to say the least, a positive review. Me, giving a positive Lucy review? Knowing as you all do how negative and pessimistic I can be, and how clearly I don't like Lucy at ALL, that will no doubt come as a shock. :-) ) But anyway. Thanks for posting about the RPI show, Beth. (I sort of strongarmed Beth into posting about it when we met at the Lucy show in Concord early this month and I heard that she was going to the RPI show, so I appreciate the fact that she really DID post about it!) On the issue of "stale" stories and jokes...well, that's a tough one. Yes, it's true that Lucy's stories and jokes do tend to stay pretty much the same for a L-O-O-N-N-G time. I could tell most of them just about verbatim at this point. And it's true that it isn't that way with all artists. Performers such as Dar Williams and Susan Werner will have new comments and stories, or new twists on the ones I've heard before, every time I see them, and that can be really fun. (On the other end of the scale, there's Aimee Mann, who essentially tries not to say anything to the audience at ALL...but that's another story.) However, even putting aside the fact of what a staunch Lucy defender I am in general, I have to say I really don't mind hearing the same stories over and over (and over) again from her. Lucy has a way of delivering things that still makes me laugh every time. When a new tidbit does surface in her shows, I treasure it, but I also realize that being a great musician does not always translate into being great at improv (although I have seen Lucy make the occasional hysterical off-the-cuff remark too). I think that more important than having great original stories at every show is being able to connect with the audience from the stage...that's not always a verbal thing as much as it is an atmosphere that is created, and I think Lucy does it incredibly well. A more mundane point, although it gets obscured if you hang out on enough music discussion lists, is that those of us who go to multiple shows by the same artist over short periods of time are still a RELATIVELY rare breed. That is, I think most people at any given Lucy show end up being those who either have never been to a Lucy show before or else go to see Lucy once a year, whenever she happens to hit their neck of the woods. Those are the fans who don't know the new songs, who may not have all the CDs...and who have probably not heard the stories before. And THOSE are the fans who are going to laugh and buy CDs and wait excitedly in line to have Lucy sign them and tell their friends about Lucy. Yes, if Lucy adored improvisation (the verbal kind, I mean...musically, she is fantastic at improvising), she could come up with all new things to say between songs at every show, and I'd probably be particularly wowed. But frankly, I know it's not me she's trying to impress, nor should it be. After all, I"ve been to every Lucy show I can manage to make it to, and I'll go to as many more as I can, because I love Lucy's music and am happy to accept whatever she has to give when she is onstage. I'm not saying Lucy doesn't appreciate those of us who go to show after show, because I'm sure she does...but she has nothing more to prove to us, and there's no reason she should expend her energy trying. That the stories will remain similar for a long time with Lucy is something I simply accept. It may be performance, but from Lucy it never quite feels false to me. And even when there comes a time when I've heard something enough that I'm not laughing quite as hard, I think about those in the audience who are being won over by Lucy for the first time, and that makes me happy. Off to bed now...the review will be coming as soon as I can manage it! Benay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:36:16 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] the "A You're Adorable" guy For those who were interested when Gina mentioned it, as I was...probably he never heard about the existence of "A, You're an Awful Jerk," but one would like to think he would have been honored... LOS ANGELES (AP) Buddy Kaye, a songwriter and lyricist who wrote hits for Perry Como, Frank Sinatra and Barry Manilow, died Thursday. He was 84. Kaye died in Rancho Mirage, Calif., his son Richard Kaye said. In a career that spanned six decades, Buddy Kaye published about 400 songs, often collaborating with other songwriters. Kaye co-wrote ''Till the End of Time,'' a hit for Como in 1945. Another song, '''A' You're Adorable (The Alphabet Song),'' was a No. 1 hit for Como and the Fontaine Sisters in 1949. Other memorable songs included ''Full Moon and Empty Arms,'' released by Frank Sinatra in 1946, and ''The Old Songs,'' one of Barry Manilow's signature tunes. The New York-born songwriter also penned ''I'll Close My Eyes,'' which was recorded by Sarah Vaughn, Dinah Washington and others, along with the Dusty Springfield hits ''Little By Little'' and ''All Cried Out.'' Kaye co-wrote the theme song to the television show ''I Dream of Jeannie'' and produced a musical adaptation of Antoine de Saint-Exupery's ''The Little Prince.'' The album, narrated by Richard Burton, won a Grammy for Best Recording for Children in 1975. - ---------- >From: "Benay Bubar" >To: lucy-list@smoe.org >Subject: [lucy-list] some response to Beth's comments >Date: Mon, Nov 25, 2002, 1:21 AM > >> i wonder what benay's take on the whole breadth vs. depth thing is... > > I don't know if I can take on "the whole breadth vs. depth" thing > tonight...I don't think I can even take on the review of Lucy at the 92nd > Street Y tonight...it's late and I have work tomorrow, and it's the last > review of a Lucy show I'll get to do for two and a half months so I don't > want it to be TOO slapdash an affair. (Word to the wise, though: it will be, > to say the least, a positive review. Me, giving a positive Lucy review? > Knowing as you all do how negative and pessimistic I can be, and how clearly > I don't like Lucy at ALL, that will no doubt come as a shock. :-) ) > > But anyway. Thanks for posting about the RPI show, Beth. (I sort of > strongarmed Beth into posting about it when we met at the Lucy show in > Concord early this month and I heard that she was going to the RPI show, so > I appreciate the fact that she really DID post about it!) > > On the issue of "stale" stories and jokes...well, that's a tough one. Yes, > it's true that Lucy's stories and jokes do tend to stay pretty much the same > for a L-O-O-N-N-G time. I could tell most of them just about verbatim at > this point. And it's true that it isn't that way with all artists. > Performers such as Dar Williams and Susan Werner will have new comments and > stories, or new twists on the ones I've heard before, every time I see > them, and that can be really fun. (On the other end of the scale, there's > Aimee Mann, who essentially tries not to say anything to the audience at > ALL...but that's another story.) > > However, even putting aside the fact of what a staunch Lucy defender I am in > general, I have to say I really don't mind hearing the same stories over and > over (and over) again from her. Lucy has a way of delivering things that > still makes me laugh every time. When a new tidbit does surface in her > shows, I treasure it, but I also realize that being a great musician does > not always translate into being great at improv (although I have seen Lucy > make the occasional hysterical off-the-cuff remark too). I think that more > important than having great original stories at every show is being able to > connect with the audience from the stage...that's not always a verbal thing > as much as it is an atmosphere that is created, and I think Lucy does it > incredibly well. > > A more mundane point, although it gets obscured if you hang out on enough > music discussion lists, is that those of us who go to multiple shows by the > same artist over short periods of time are still a RELATIVELY rare breed. > That is, I think most people at any given Lucy show end up being those who > either have never been to a Lucy show before or else go to see Lucy once a > year, whenever she happens to hit their neck of the woods. Those are the > fans who don't know the new songs, who may not have all the CDs...and who > have probably not heard the stories before. And THOSE are the fans who are > going to laugh and buy CDs and wait excitedly in line to have Lucy sign them > and tell their friends about Lucy. > > Yes, if Lucy adored improvisation (the verbal kind, I mean...musically, she > is fantastic at improvising), she could come up with all new things to say > between songs at every show, and I'd probably be particularly wowed. But > frankly, I know it's not me she's trying to impress, nor should it be. After > all, I"ve been to every Lucy show I can manage to make it to, and I'll go to > as many more as I can, because I love Lucy's music and am happy to accept > whatever she has to give when she is onstage. I'm not saying Lucy doesn't > appreciate those of us who go to show after show, because I'm sure she > does...but she has nothing more to prove to us, and there's no reason she > should expend her energy trying. That the stories will remain similar for a > long time with Lucy is something I simply accept. It may be performance, but > from Lucy it never quite feels false to me. And even when there comes a time > when I've heard something enough that I'm not laughing quite as hard, I > think about those in the audience who are being won over by Lucy for the > first time, and that makes me happy. > > Off to bed now...the review will be coming as soon as I can manage it! > > Benay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:39:58 -0500 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] sorry Got lazy about typing the address and responded to my own post...it WASN'T self-promotion in hopes that you'd all read my venerable words twice, I swear! Shutting up and REALLY going to bed now... Benay ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V4 #266 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message