From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V4 #218 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Tuesday, September 24 2002 Volume 04 : Number 218 In this issue: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? [lucy-list] Re: Am I missing something? Re: [lucy-list] Re: Am I missing something? [lucy-list] Hi,lucy-list,so cool a flash,enjoy it [lucy-list] Re: Am I missing something [lucy-list] RE: rebuttal of the reply to the comment in the review (no Lucy content?) [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:38:03 -0400 From: fair325@juno.com Subject: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? I too obsessively enjoy the music of Lucy Kaplansky. I also try to attend all of Lucy's performances within my geographic area. However, subsequent to signing up for this list, I sensed that the majority of the postings are made by "Lucy Kaplansky cult-members". I know they are only thought and not reality, but does anyone else find the posts cryptic and/or not intended for them as opposed to being a general sort of discussion about Lucy and Folk Music? Please correct me if I am mistaken, I mean this ever so humbly. K. Perhaps more recruiting is required. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:13:04 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? i too just joined this list. i didn't know it existed until now. i'm on the patty griffin-smoe list and i just happened to follow it back and found the lucy list. something i have noticed on all the discussion/message boards for singer/songwriters is that there are always people who think they are whomever's "#1 fan" (they go to lots of his/her shows) and people that just seem plain obsessed by that artist to the point of worship, in other words, "the regulars". :-) usually after you're there a while and post and get to know people, they aren't so bad. hopefully there's room for "newbies" here. by the way, i am lucy's #1 fan (i go to lots of her shows) and she is my goddess! dana h. >From: fair325@juno.com >Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org >To: lucy-list@smoe.org >CC: lucy-list@smoe.org >Subject: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:38:03 -0400 > >I too obsessively enjoy the music of Lucy Kaplansky. I also try to attend >all of Lucy's performances within my geographic area. However, subsequent >to signing up for this list, I sensed that the majority of the postings >are made by "Lucy Kaplansky cult-members". I know they are only thought >and not reality, but does anyone else find the posts cryptic and/or not >intended for them as opposed to being a general sort of discussion about >Lucy and Folk Music? Please correct me if I am mistaken, I mean this ever >so humbly. K. Perhaps more recruiting is required. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:14:38 -0400 From: Tom Neff Subject: [lucy-list] Re: Am I missing something? #1, maybe "obsessively enjoying" Lucy's music, and "sensing" whether other list members are in some "cult," are both best let go of. Every fan is different, and we should celebrate our diversity, not brood on it. #2, this list is nothing more than the sum of what we put into it. The best way to make sure it contains interesting discussions about "Lucy and Folk Music" is to start those discussions ourselves. - --On Monday, September 23, 2002 6:38 AM -0400 fair325@juno.com wrote: > I too obsessively enjoy the music of Lucy Kaplansky. I also try to > attend all of Lucy's performances within my geographic area. However, > subsequent to signing up for this list, I sensed that the majority of > the postings are made by "Lucy Kaplansky cult-members". I know they > are only thought and not reality, but does anyone else find the posts > cryptic and/or not intended for them as opposed to being a general > sort of discussion about Lucy and Folk Music? Please correct me if I > am mistaken, I mean this ever so humbly. K. Perhaps more recruiting > is required. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:40:58 -0400 From: fair325@juno.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: Am I missing something? Touche' my friend, touche', I went to the Fall River Festival for the Arts yesterday and saw the Buffolo Gals and Bison Bob, Professor Lou and the Crowmatix, Psychic Horns and Chris Smithers. During Chris Smithers set he digressed about the passing of Dave Carter and performed "Crockodile Man" in tribute to the mythical lyrisist. He also performed the Dylan cover "Desolation Row". I imagine many of Lucy's fans are from the n.y.c. area. Not having lived in the city since the late 80's I was wondering if the folk and music scene in still based in the villiage aroung bleecker and West 4th? I used to spend many quality days wandering around Washington sq. park and the villiage and soho and south and uptown etc... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:38:47 -0400 From: Wa2suh Subject: [lucy-list] Hi,lucy-list,so cool a flash,enjoy it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:06:23 -0400 From: Donna Myers Subject: [lucy-list] Re: Am I missing something A warm welcome to all the new members of this list!! Remember we were all new at some point. I have found that the lucy-list members are as nice and friendly as Lucy herself. If my review was too cryptic...I apologize. I only report what I feel the members of this list would enjoy. Perhaps I didn't follow the review template properly!!! Donna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:09:56 -0500 From: "Timothy Bruce" Subject: [lucy-list] RE: rebuttal of the reply to the comment in the review (no Lucy content?) This is the only "list" I am currently on. So I hate to see two or more days in a row on the Lucy-List in which no-one seems fit to post anything, (like last Friday-Saturday). I do however always try to make sure that whatever I do post has at least SOME Lucy content. I think that is something that most, if not all listers can agree on. Ignoring that basic premise, there arises the risk of "not seeing the forest for the trees" when a post is a response to another post, or better yet (?) a reply to a reply to a comment in a post. I think my own, personal "list-challenge" is brevity: I enjoy "setting the scene" far too so much! But think for a moment what an average year in Lucy-the-troubadour's life must be like--all the different stages, faces, places....and, yes, humorous incidents. I think it is all part of the richness of the Lucy experience and our expounding upon it is justifiably part of her legacy. And Lucy Kaplansky IS leaving a legacy. Thousands of miles, thousands of songs and thousands of smiles at meet-and-greets across the country (and across the pond). She is the shuttle in a cosmic loom--speeding back-and-forth incessantly--weaving strands of disparate lives together and always bringing out our personal BEST. The tighter she weaves, the warmer she will be when the cold wind blows. Imagine how different this experience would be if Lucy did not tour...and all we had were the four CD's to know her by and to connect to one another through. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:31:51 -0400 From: Cpattersonhome@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? I've been mostly lurking on the Lucy list since last spring. Initially I too found some of the content somewhat cryptic. But as I've attended more Lucy shows, I've found that content I might have once considered "cryptic" usually relates to something Lucy herself has said or done on stage or after a show. I've had the pleasure of meeting a number of Lucy-listers at shows and in cyberspace and have received a warm welcome. Compared to a couple of other lists I was on, I find the Lucy-list postings a nice balance of information and fun. People here generally use good judgement about when a conversation is best continued offline. Lucy does have a way of engaging her fans and seems to enjoy interacting on a personal level after the shows. I don't think of anyone here as obsessive, I just see them as people who enjoy a talented and friendly performer and like to share their experiences with other like-minded people. If this is a cult I'm happy to be a part of it. I enjoy Lucy's music and through this list and its members I've been drawn in to the music of many other fine performers. If it hadn't been for a Lucy-lister, I would not have gone to see Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer for the first time. Sadly, this was Dave's final performance and I'm so thankful to Joanne for suggesting I might enjoy their music. And thanks to everyone who posts for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:46:11 -0400 From: fair325@juno.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? I am happy to have begun a frank and earnest discussion about what it means to be a Lucy fan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? > I am happy to have begun a frank and earnest > discussion about what it > means to be a Lucy fan. I think the No. 1 rule for all of us to be No. 1 fans is to love Lucy's music. For various reasons, I don't get to as many shows as I like, but I love the music and love reading about the shows from everyone who does get to go to shows. Deb ===== You can take the rock band away from the girl and think you've tamed her. But, she'll just pick up an acoustic, give you that innocent little girl grin, quietly laugh and say? "Nevah!" New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:31:28 EDT From: ArtzieFreak@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? I agree with Deb. I've only had the pleasure of attending one Lucy show, but I like to think i'm one of her biggest fans. I follow each and every review and all of her interviews and any other Lucy info i can get. i don't think a number one is the one who goes to every concert, but the one who loves the music the most. Holly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:38:03 -0700 From: "Benay Bubar" Subject: [lucy-list] Re: [lucy-list ]Am I missing something? Much as I hate to play TOO much into a list-discussing-itself-instead-of-its-topic conversation because that can become a vicious cycle, I do feel inclined to weigh in here as one of the frequent posters, even if I touch on repetition of things some people have already said. I have actually found this list, even with its digressions (for many of which I admit responsibility), to be among the more focused of the ones I am on---there are lists on which people post for days without any MENTION of the artist. With regard to cultish obsessiveness, exclusivity, etc...if there is an exclusive Lucy cult, I haven't found it. I don't have a shrine to Lucy in my living room, and I don't know anybody who does, and I'm not so sure I'd WANT to know anybody who does! I also don't know of any competition to be Lucy's #1 fan, and nobody's offering any prizes. I don't claim to be a more avid Lucy fan than anybody else, and I don't tend to think anyone else who posts often here is trying to do so either...we just enjoy sharing our Lucy-related thoughts and experiences. The fact that I post a lot and go to quite a fair number of Lucy shows should reflect nothing more about me than that I love Lucy's music, like to write, and am lucky enough to live in an area in which Lucy plays relatively often (and am occasionally able to get creative about transportation when Lucy isn't quite as close). Do some of us on the list know one another personally? Through shows and through the list itself, yes...but I'm not aware of a whole lot of "inside" conversations happening on-list, nor do I think there's any real "insider/outsider" dynamic at work. Yes, the occasional personal comment goes back and forth in the midst of a larger post, but I don't think that's such an awful thing. Am I aware when I post that it is going out to the whole list, to potential readers both known and unknown? Yes. Do I exhaustively analyze each post before sending it to ensure that every single word will absolutely resonate with every single person on this list? Nope...because that's pretty much impossible, and if I tied myself up in knots worrying about it, I'd never get to post at all (and frankly, I have too many other things to tie myself up in knots worrying about!). But it isn't a secret club...anybody can post and be welcome...and anybody can lurk and NOT post and be welcome in doing that too. I'm sure lots of people have ideas of what the Lucy-list should be like...but when a whole lot of people come together, even regarding something they all enjoy, those ideas can be very different. When I started posting frequently, it was because I noticed that the Lucy-list had been very quiet for a while, and I wanted to see reviews and...well, random things to cheer me up...and those were the types of things I posted. And then other people posted reviews and things that cheered me up, and maybe that would have happened regardless, but nonetheless I was happy. Tom's point is a good one---if you want to see something discussed here that's not being discussed, post it! And if you don't enjoy certain types of posts...well, it's not an incredibly high-traffic list at this point, so it shouldn't be too hard to just scroll through or delete whatever you don't want to read. Realistically, that's just part and parcel of being on a list...any list....and I tend to think it's way better to let people post what they want--as long as everyone's respectful, as this list has been so far (some other lists truly aren't!)--and just accept that not everyone will enjoy everything, than to attempt to set limits on what can be said, which could just end up paralyzing everyone so no one wants to post. I'm really glad there are new people here, and glad that those of you who choose to are making yourselves known to those of us who have been here a while (and some people DON'T choose to make themselves known, of course, and I respect that decision too). I hope you'll stay and that we can all get to know one another better (those who want to, at least) and get around to talking about Lucy and music in the ways that each of us would like. And, in answer to fair325 (I'd use your name, but I don't think you gave it), there are a couple of places around Bleecker and West 4th that I think of as part of the folk scene in NY...the Bottom Line, the Bitter End, and Fez isn't too far...but the Bottom Line is the only place downtown in which I find myself with much frequency, so I'm not sure whether I'd say the folk scene here is based in that area. Then again, I'm not sure if there's ANYWHERE I'd say it's really "based" now...or that I'm really enough in the general "folk scene" to judge! :-) Benay ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V4 #218 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message