From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V3 #214 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Friday, October 5 2001 Volume 03 : Number 214 In this issue: Re: [lucy-list] Sarah Harmer YIPPEE Re: [lucy-list] It's hard to mourn when santa's in the way... Re: [lucy-list] Sarah Harmer [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... Re: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... Re: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... [lucy-list] Feeling secure versus being secure [lucy-list] Lucy UK Tour Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:34:35 -0400 From: Steve Robertson Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Sarah Harmer YIPPEE on 10/3/01 5:28 PM, Sdgold60@aol.com at Sdgold60@aol.com wrote: > kate campbell is the most under rated woman playing > a spiritual southern background.. i saw her in > new bedford this year for the first time and followed > her around.. and bought em all.. > heard many good things about her.. Kate IS the daughter of a Southern Baptist preacher, and her latest album IS all gospel, but it's important to point out that her first four CDs are not gospel CDs. They ARE full of great songs about all sorts of subjects. I think the predominant feature of all her recordings is her ability to paint vivid word portraits of life in the Southeastern U.S. over the last 150 years. Go to see her perform live, but try to choose a venue with a piano, because many of her best songs are better on the piano. http://www.katecampbell.com/ - -- From the Georgia Pines, Steve Robertson ==================================== _________Fiddlin' Around____________ The Journal of American Roots Music on the web at http://www.starchart.com/ ==================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: ebmilstein@att.net Subject: Re: [lucy-list] It's hard to mourn when santa's in the way... G-d bless you! Your comments have really touched me. I am a long time lurker on this list and I will try to keep my (rambling) comments brief. As much as I love folk music in general, and Lucy in particular, I kind of feel like an outsider. I have "unsubscribed" from similar lists because of the bashing the "square" things that I still hold dear get on those lists. What touches me about your post Libby (and the subsequent posts affirming your thoughts) is that I am a 37 year old father of two daughters whose reserve unit was placed on imminent recall yesterday afternoon. I spent the day packing, writing my will, and thinking about how my wife and children will deal with my 1 year plus absence. One nagging thought I have had is how long the will of the American people to fight this evil will last? What will happen when this turns out to NOT be another Desert Storm, video game-like war? Will we reservists and all the men and women on active duty be left out in the rain? Your comments have restored my faith that the answer to the above will be NO. Thank you! - -- Eric B. Milstein All things are ready, if our minds be so. - -- William Shakespeare, King Henry V > Our great "list god" deemed that I must edit, so hopefully this is short > enough to get through... my message from yesterday... > > I was disturbed yesterday morning... I live in a townhouse complex. Houses > identical except for the color paint line both sides of the street that is > actually our parking lot. Our apt complex association has some pretty > strict guidelines about what we are and are not permitted to have > on our front walk-outs and on our rear patio areas, and on more than one > occasion we've been asked to trim bushes or remove an offending bucket > from the front steps. Despite the restrictions, one thing that has always > been permitted on any of the houses is a flag. Many of the residents fly > banners associated with the seasons, the holidays, their favorite football > teams, their alma maters, etc, etc... Some of the most kitchy things that > one could wave have been seen flying in my neighborhood. > > Sept 12, though, brought a whole new look to things. It was as if someone > had issued a new townhouse mandate... every house, it seemed, that had > flown a "snoopy celebrates summer" banner before now flew an American > flag. The stars and stripes just lined our street. Our house didn't bear > a flag... we don't own one.... and I'm not nsure that we would have flown > one anyway... me and my two other grad student roommates. I'm not sure it > would have felt right for all of us. Anyway.... > > Our immediate neighbors did have a flag, which brings me back to why I was > so disturbed yesterday morning. Sept 12 and following, they flew it > proudly, taking it in at night and bringing it out every morning when they > went to get their morning paper. But yesterday, Oct 1, when I left the > house to go to the office, I noticed that their American flag had been > replaced by a Halloween flag sporting a green-faced witch flying on a > broomstick with her black cat and jack-o-lantern. Today, Oct 2, I > noticed that even more of the American flags were gone... replaced by > autumn leaf banners and Virginia Tech pennants... our American flags are > gone. > > Around town it seems that it's the same phenomenon. Here and there you see > the red, white, and blue... but it's spotty... the historic area of town > is still flying the American colors as opposed to theUnion Jack that is > typically seen in Colonial Williamsburg. But the houses where the > residents live have changed... gone back to the state of sameness that > they had prior to Sept 11. > > It's hard for me to see this... and it's not really the flags that make it > difficult. It's hard because it feels like a message was sent to the city > telling us that our mourning time is over. It's difficult because I live > in a _place_ that was not directly affected by any of the atrocities, yet > a place where many of us were _personally_ affected. I think there's a big > difference. > > Even being just two hours from DC, we still haven't felt the impact, it > seems. The patriotic music that was played for two weeks straight in our > churches has ceased. While talk of the terrorist acts is still active in > many of our conversations, things like the annual Kiwanis shrimp boil and > bicycle theft on campus are just as likely to come up. > > These changes aren't necessarily bad. But... they aren't necessarily good, > either. I sat watching part of the John Lennon tribute this evening, and > it made me very sad... so sad to see that the speaking out and the candles > and the singing... they are delivered to me through television wires and > the copy of the NY-Times we get in the mailbox each day. I am not seeing > it or feeling it in my community, and it is therefore difficult to > grieve... grieve what is indeed a loss... the loss of our sense of > invincibility... what is indeed a crime... the rape of our nation. Perhaps > I am simply reacting in a different way than are many of the people in my > community. Perhaps they, too, have adopted a more private way of handling > the emotions that go along with these acts of hatred. However, the sudden > change from the Stars and Stripes to the orange and black flying witch > next door honestly makes me want to cry. > > And so cry, I do. I cry for the friends I lost in the WTC. I cry for the > coworkers I lost in the Pentagon. I cry for the sense of safety that I > find constantly pushed, prodded, and challenged. I cry knowing that my > job could have placed me in the Pentagon right along with my lost > coworkers. I cry when I hear the "Navy Hymn". I cry when I hear television > celebrities and radio announcers who I regularly stream in talk about how > we are not the same nation as we were several weeks ago. Because while > that is the truth, it feels to me like, in "going on" with our "normal" > schedules and such, an element has been lost... perhaps because we are > outside that radius of direct effect... perhaps because OUR normality was > not challenged in the same way that NY's has been... in the same way DC's > has been. > > Our supermarkets encourage us to "round up" our grocery bills with > donations going to the Red Cross. Our churches take collections for the > Salvation Army. But I can choose from 5 airports other than DCA... and I > can drive to work without considering which roads are still closed... I > still have an office building... > > I went into a department store this past weekend. As I walked to the > checkout area, I noticed that the Christmas displays were already up... > busy high school aged employees were taking down the special "patriotic" > section of goods that had been prominent for the last few weeks and were > putting up Christmas trees instead. It was like someone was telling me... > stop crying, Libby... the holidays are coming... buy your gifts... sing > about Rudolph instead of Yankee Doodle... get back to your life... as it > was... before Sept 11. > > And yes, perhaps it is time for me to accept that things are going to go > on. And yes, perhaps it is just that time of year when seasonally things > start to go amuck in the stores. But... let me grieve. Warp me to a place > where it's OK to admit that I don't understand what's gone on. Take me to > a space where I won't be told that my "Can't kill hope with a gun" t-shirt > is not appropriate. Let me bring my tissues with me... my home has been > challenged, and while I will stand strong in the breeze that now blows > Halloween flags instead of American ones. I think I still need to feel the > hurt and emotion that I'd venture nearly every American felt on Sept 11. > > Part of me wishes I could remember what I wore on Sept 10... remember > what I ate for breakfast... what appointments and meetings I had... what > CD was in the car when I went in to the office. But I can't. And i > probably won't. Yes, all of our lives were changed in some way on > Sept 11... but I'm not ready to move on so quickly as some. Even if my > house didn't sport it, my heart flew an American flag... and it still > does... and it still will... > > Take care... and if you made it this far, thanks for bearing with me on my > long and random ramble... Just some stuff that I needed to say. > > Be well, > Libby > > -- > - --------------------------------------------------------- - ------- > Libby Wiebel | ewiebel@cs.wm.edu | http://www.cs.wm.edu/~ewiebel > - --------------------------------------------------------- - ------- > "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of > the overcoming of it." - Helen Keller > - --------------------------------------------------------- - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:36:36 EDT From: IFBUCHAN@aol.com Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Sarah Harmer Thanks a million, I'll be there. Ian ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2001 22:14:32 +0000 From: "Matt Bloomfield" Subject: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... ....I've mocked up a design. Let me know what you think. If there's enough interest I'll start making enquiries as to how much it'll cost to do a run of T-shirts. A brief look locally revealed quite a few printers who'll do shirts with no minimum orders but the more you do the cheaper it gets. Feel free to submit different designs, I do not claim to be the world's greatest artist or the most imaginative soul when it comes to this type of thing and won't take offence if you say they're crap :) If there are enough different designs maybe we'll do a vote. But do register your interest and I'll see what can be done and report back to the list. The design I've done is here http://www.tthewb.u-net.com/shirt/tshirt.html Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:47:13 -0500 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... OK well i supposed this is a good time for me to stand up...i've been talking with a bunch of people for the last month or so for a new project-that Plan B I was talking about awhile back. A t-shirt and/or bumper sticker for Lucy...we have a couple of ideas that i was going to get up on the website this weekend. My idea was to sell these, and take all of the profits and donate them to a charity (the Sept 11th fund maybe) in Lucy's name for her Birthday---I have a fantastic UK rep (Jenny) and would love to give this Birthday Project a go. I sent an email the other day to Lucy's management about this, makign sure it was alright. I'll have the rest of the stuff up this weekend. But Matt, I think your shirt is really cute, and would love to throw it together with this if everyone thinks this is a good idea. Kristen - ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bloomfield Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:18 PM To: Lucy List Subject: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... ....I've mocked up a design. Let me know what you think. If there's enough interest I'll start making enquiries as to how much it'll cost to do a run of T-shirts. A brief look locally revealed quite a few printers who'll do shirts with no minimum orders but the more you do the cheaper it gets. Feel free to submit different designs, I do not claim to be the world's greatest artist or the most imaginative soul when it comes to this type of thing and won't take offence if you say they're crap :) If there are enough different designs maybe we'll do a vote. But do register your interest and I'll see what can be done and report back to the list. The design I've done is here http://www.tthewb.u-net.com/shirt/tshirt.html MattGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:02:52 -0400 From: "Tom Richardson" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... Sounds like a great idea to me. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristen Myshrall" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... > OK well i supposed this is a good time for me to stand up...i've been talking > with a bunch of people for the last month or so for a new project-that Plan B > I was talking about awhile back. A t-shirt and/or bumper sticker for Lucy...we > have a couple of ideas that i was going to get up on the website this weekend. > My idea was to sell these, and take all of the profits and donate them to a > charity (the Sept 11th fund maybe) in Lucy's name for her Birthday---I have a > fantastic UK rep (Jenny) and would love to give this Birthday Project a go. I > sent an email the other day to Lucy's management about this, makign sure it > was alright. I'll have the rest of the stuff up this weekend. But Matt, I > think your shirt is really cute, and would love to throw it together with this > if everyone thinks this is a good idea. > > Kristen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Bloomfield > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:18 PM > To: Lucy List > Subject: [lucy-list] I like the T-shirt idea so..... > > ....I've mocked up a design. Let me know what you think. If there's > enough interest I'll start making enquiries as to how much it'll cost > to do a run of T-shirts. A brief look locally revealed quite a few > printers who'll do shirts with no minimum orders but the more you do > the cheaper it gets. > > Feel free to submit different designs, I do not claim to be the > world's greatest artist or the most imaginative soul when it comes to > this type of thing and won't take offence if you say they're crap :) > > If there are enough different designs maybe we'll do a vote. > > But do register your interest and I'll see what can be done and report > back to the list. > > The design I've done is here > > http://www.tthewb.u-net.com/shirt/tshirt.html > > > > MattGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:12:06 -0700 From: Tom Negrino Subject: [lucy-list] Feeling secure versus being secure on 10/4/01 12:15 AM, "Roxanne D.Finch" wrote: > I was outraged when I found out that they had begun curbside luggage check in > again. Did the lessons of Sept 11 mean nothing? Have no lasting impact? Not to pick on you, Roxanne, but there is virtually no connection between curbside check-in and actual security. Except for the addition of better cockpit doors and (possibly) air marshals on flights, none of the measures being promoted are likely to help at all. They are mostly knee-jerk ways for government officials to act as though they are doing something about a problem, even if that "something" won't really help. In terms of curbside check-in, 9/11 has no lessons to teach; the terrorists didn't use bombs. And putting a bunch of skycaps out of work won't prevent hijackers. I strongly urge everyone to read an excellent essay by a real security expert (goodness knows I'm not), at this link: http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0109a.html It's long, and much of it deals with Net security that might not be of interest to some. But you should read at least two sections, "Airline Security Regulations" and "Protecting Privacy and Liberty." Ob Lucy: I've got my tickets for her 10/14 show at The Powerhouse, in Sebastopol, CA. Anyone else on the list going to that show? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:24:18 +0100 From: "donald.anderson" Subject: [lucy-list] Lucy UK Tour Support Discovered tonite that Lucy's forthcoming UK tour will feature Alice Peacock as support , according to BBC's Radio 2 Folk site Wonder if I should wear my "Rock On Doc" T Shirt ? Thanks to all who responded to Sarah Harmer query - much appreciated ! Donald ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V3 #214 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message