From: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org (lucy-list-digest) To: lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: lucy-list-digest V2 #184 Reply-To: lucy-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-lucy-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk lucy-list-digest Friday, July 21 2000 Volume 02 : Number 184 In this issue: [lucy-list] makor [lucy-list] Makor Re: [lucy-list] Makor [lucy-list] Makor late show 7/19/00 [lucy-list] Re: Makor late show 7/19/00 [lucy-list] Makor Re: [lucy-list] Re: Makor late show 7/19/00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:16:24 EDT From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] makor Lucy Rocked LAst night and an angel descended on MAKOR... no more can be said sharonG i was not the first row girl for the first set only the second... you could persue it, hell i could do it i'll just be quiet when i get angry or hurt im stopping traffic, sitting in the graphic with my long black coat hanging down in the dirt and my hair clinging to my face in the rain like a g-dess from the cult of beautiful pain i dont want to be another mystery ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:56:43 EDT From: SpecGlobal@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] Makor I forward this post from the Richard List. Sounds to me like Renee enjoyed the show.... Harvey Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:41:16 EDT From: "Batgirl of the Night" Subject: [RS] Lucy & Richard - At The Makor, N.Y.C.- July 19 Well, I was fortunate enough to attend Lucy's 8pm show at the Makor in N.Y.C. and I must say it was absolutely incredible!!!! She came right out on stage and went straight into the music. I have never seen her live and I was mesmerized by her powerful, hypnotic voice! She performed a number of songs from her latest C.D. She performed a brand new song she had just written for an upcoming movie that she will be appearing in. She will be Ms. Kaplansky, a folk singer singing on a street corner. Not much of a stretch from reality as Lucy put it. She said that Dar may be written into it as well. The director had asked Lucy if she had any sad songs, so she sent him a list of like 50 songs*Lucy and audience laughed*. As I sat there, in an extra chair(there were more people than they had anticipated so they had to bring in the backup supply), I felt someone leaning against my arm. I paid little attention and just figured it was someone waiting on the line to get a drink at the bar. As Lucy began speaking about Richard Shindell and called him onto the stage to join her, it was then that I looked up at the figure that had been leaning against me and realized it was none other than Richard himself!! He joined her on stage and they did an amazing version of Ten Year Night, and Scorpion. After that Richard left the stage. Lucy went on to tell the audience about some songs that her dad wrote about MATH. She said she had wanted to try it out on an audience and get the reaction. So she read it to the audience and said it was a world premiere, which resulted in loud applause from the audience. Then someone in the audience requested "A Song About Pie"(not the edible variety of course), by her dad, Irving Kaplansky. She filled the request and even gave out her dad's email address and said hel loves fan mail. An audience member yelled out if he would be at Falcon Ridge, to which Lucy replied "Over my dead body", and laughed. She said that she was looking forward to seeing many of us at Falcon Ridge and she made a special mention about Sharon(Sharon, was that you in the first row?). She then went on to perform a song that she said was very new and incomplete, "It's Time To Go". I was quite moving. Next she switched to the beautiful piano that was on stage with her. She proceeded to sing "It's Just You", and it was clear that it had been originally written on piano. It flowed effortlessly and her voice was breathtaking. She also performed a Graham Parsons song(I'm not sure of the title), that she had always wanted to sing and that this was another world premiere since she had never attempted it before. Once again, we were transfixed by her. When she returned back to her guitar, she sang "Turn the Lights Back On". Midway through the song she broke her D string and still managed to make it through most of the song, she gave it her all! Much to our delight, Richard returned to the stage. Lucy was having difficulty restringing her guitar, so Richard gave her his to use while he sat and took care of her string dilemma. She performed "Your'e My Role Model"(I think it was a request). And for the closing set of the show, they switched back to their own guitars and did one of the most intense versions of "Speaking With The Angel" I have ever heard. A fabulous version of "By Way Of Sorrow" closed the set. They came back on stage and did "Mary Magdelane" as the encore. I have to say(don't get me wrong, I LOVE Dar too), that this rendition was nothing less than magnificent. I, along with the entire audience fell completely silent throughout every note of this song, spellbound from it's haunting melody. I feel she became Mary, and with Richard harmonizing and treating us with some incredible finger picking solos during it, it truly was a night of magic!!I left with an overwhelming feeling of life and inspiration, I couldn't wait to get home to my guitar and play her songs. Well, if anyone else was there, I hope you will put a message on the list or write to me and share your review of the show. I look forward to meeting many of you at Falcon Ridge!!! Renee Polgar dscully73@hotmail.com ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:34:44 -0400 From: "Chris Anderson" Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Makor Sounds like a great show :-) :-) - -----Original Message----- From: SpecGlobal@aol.com To: Lucy-List Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: [lucy-list] Makor > >I forward this post from the Richard List. Sounds to me like Renee enjoyed >the show.... > >Harvey > >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:41:16 EDT >From: "Batgirl of the Night" >Subject: [RS] Lucy & Richard - At The Makor, N.Y.C.- July 19 > >Well, I was fortunate enough to attend Lucy's 8pm show at the Makor in >N.Y.C. and I must say it was absolutely incredible!!!! She came right out on >stage and went straight into the music. I have never seen her live and I was >mesmerized by her powerful, hypnotic voice! She performed a number of songs >from her latest C.D. She performed a brand new song she had just written for >an upcoming movie that she will be appearing in. She will be Ms. Kaplansky, >a folk singer singing on a street corner. Not much of a stretch from reality >as Lucy put it. She said that Dar may be written into it as well. The >director had asked Lucy if she had any sad songs, so she sent him a list of >like 50 songs*Lucy and audience laughed*. As I sat there, in an extra >chair(there were more people than they had anticipated so they had to bring >in the backup supply), I felt someone leaning against my arm. I paid little >attention and just figured it was someone waiting on the line to get a drink >at the bar. As Lucy began speaking about Richard Shindell and called him >onto the stage to join her, it was then that I looked up at the figure that >had been leaning against me and realized it was none other than Richard >himself!! He joined her on stage and they did an amazing version of Ten Year >Night, and Scorpion. After that Richard left the stage. Lucy went on to tell >the audience about some songs that her dad wrote about MATH. She said she >had wanted to try it out on an audience and get the reaction. So she read it >to the audience and said it was a world premiere, which resulted in loud >applause from the audience. Then someone in the audience requested "A Song >About Pie"(not the edible variety of course), by her dad, Irving Kaplansky. >She filled the request and even gave out her dad's email address and said >hel loves fan mail. An audience member yelled out if he would be at Falcon >Ridge, to which Lucy replied "Over my dead body", and laughed. She said that >she was looking forward to seeing many of us at Falcon Ridge and she made a >special mention about Sharon(Sharon, was that you in the first row?). She >then went on to perform a song that she said was very new and incomplete, >"It's Time To Go". I was quite moving. Next she switched to the beautiful >piano that was on stage with her. She proceeded to sing "It's Just You", and >it was clear that it had been originally written on piano. It flowed >effortlessly and her voice was breathtaking. She also performed a Graham >Parsons song(I'm not sure of the title), that she had always wanted to sing >and that this was another world premiere since she had never attempted it >before. Once again, we were transfixed by her. When she returned back to her >guitar, she sang "Turn the Lights Back On". Midway through the song she >broke her D string and still managed to make it through most of the song, >she gave it her all! Much to our delight, Richard returned to the stage. >Lucy was having difficulty restringing her guitar, so Richard gave her his >to use while he sat and took care of her string dilemma. She performed >"Your'e My Role Model"(I think it was a request). And for the closing set of >the show, they switched back to their own guitars and did one of the most >intense versions of "Speaking With The Angel" I have ever heard. A fabulous >version of "By Way Of Sorrow" closed the set. They came back on stage and >did "Mary Magdelane" as the encore. I have to say(don't get me wrong, I LOVE >Dar too), that this rendition was nothing less than magnificent. I, along >with the entire audience fell completely silent throughout every note of >this song, spellbound from it's haunting melody. I feel she became Mary, and >with Richard harmonizing and treating us with some incredible finger picking >solos during it, it truly was a night of magic!!I left with an overwhelming >feeling of life and inspiration, I couldn't wait to get home to my guitar >and play her songs. Well, if anyone else was there, I hope you will put a >message on the list or write to me and share your review of the show. I look >forward to meeting many of you at Falcon Ridge!!! > > Renee Polgar > dscully73@hotmail.com >______________________________________________ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:17:56 -0700 From: eric Subject: [lucy-list] Makor late show 7/19/00 i hope it was good (and i'm sure it was), but my friends and i left shortly after getting into the performance room. is has great potential, but if things don't change drastically, and soon, Makor will be nothing more than another has-been on the new york city music scene. having arrived on time for the late show, we were rewarded by being herded into an overcrowded barroom, where we waited for an hour and change for the early show to end and its crowd to disperse (if the nyc fire dept. had any idea of the number of people crammed in the barroom, they'd have closed the place down on the spot). after waiting for well over an hour, the crowd was finally allowed, en masse, to enter the performance space, which, due to the unrestricted influx of people, looked more like the first day of kindergarten than an establishment at which to see music. people just standing around, looking for their friends (who may or may not have been there), and not letting anyone else sit at "their" tables, the majority of which sported at least two empty seats each. while waiting for an hour and change in the barroom, not once did anyone explain, god forbid apologize for the delay, until after about an hour, when someone appeared and shouted "sorry for the wait. one free drink." a stranger next to me mused, "i suppose we all have to split it." did i forget to mention that the late arrivals were made to wait on the stairs at the entrance? but ultimately it wasn't so bad for them, as when the doors did open, they were allowed in at the same time as the folks who had arrived over an hour earlier. and being that the stairs are closer to the performance space entrance than the barroom, i'm sure they fared better than a lot of the people who had been forced to wait by the bar. for over an hour. don't get me wrong: i love and respect lucy and richard dearly, both individually and as a duo, and in no way are they responsible for how Makor handles its patrons, but i (and many of the people with whom i was forced to wait) will never go to this atrocity of a "club" again. for anyone. perhaps i should have heeded the alarm bell that went off in my head when i ordered the tickets. when i asked when my credit card would be charged, i was told "immediately, and there are no refunds or exchanges." bad sign. the biggest shame of it all is that it *should* be an awesome venue. it's clean, stylish, and intimate. but if the present management keeps this shit up, it will be gone within 12 months. and after last night's experience, that might not be such a bad thing. - - eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:45:27 -0400 From: "Tom Neff" Subject: [lucy-list] Re: Makor late show 7/19/00 Since Makor is part of a larger (and very successful) Jewish community center for the Upper West Side, it is unlikely to go away in 12 months (or 120 months, if they still want to run it) no matter how its staff presently handles overbooked shows. I suggest that anyone who had a bad experience there send them email or post a Forum message at http://www.makor.org explaining what happened -- it might help them to learn when they make mistakes. There are plenty of acts on plenty of nights where you could have any seat in the house that you want, table or bar or booth, and it's a very pleasant place to hang out. Even on crowded nights, there aren't really many "bad seats," and from Eric's message it's not clear that he got one either. The primary complaint seems to be that late arrivers got in first. As a good NYer I appreciate the blind rage this induces, but it's not a rational reason to boycott the venue. Hell, I've waited for 2 hours in hideous squalor before getting into an overbooked rock show and spending the whole time wedged into a sound-dead corner while Visigoths spilled mead on my shoes. And it was still a great show. You gotta give the other stuff up. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:59:12 EDT From: SpecGlobal@aol.com Subject: [lucy-list] Makor Having forwarded Renee's post, I just wanted to add a few of my own thoughts on the 7:30 show last night; Great show. Lucy sounded just beautiful. Her voice was strong and clear as always and Richard's guitar work, backup and harmonies added to the show. Lucy clearly seemed to enjoy having Richard up there with her. One of the new songs Lucy sang last night was (I think) called "Nowhere." About two or three lines into the song I lost my ability to hear the lyrics and just felt Lucy projecting herself into the music. No matter how many times I have felt this "emotional resonance," I still find it incredible how completely Lucy becomes one with her music. Nobody does it better. Lucy has another new song (that is about her grandmother) which touches your heart in the same way that For Once in Your Life does. Beautiful. Mary Magdalen was absolutely brilliantly done. (I am fairly well convinced that Lucy may well have been Mary M. in another life.) Lucy singing at the piano is one of life's great thrills. Selling out two shows in New York City on a Wednesday night despite being up against Steve Earle and the Dukes and Marah, Jimmy Dale Gilmore and John Wesley Harding, the Dixie Chicks and Patty Griffin, and, most importantly, the Up in Smoke Tour featuring Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Eminem and Warren G.(sorry, I couldn't resist including the last one) is pretty impressive. I sure hope that Sherman Alexie makes this movie. It would be quite cool to see Lucy playing Lucy on screen. It was a real pleasure to meet a number of the people on this List for the first time (particularly those who traveled all the way from England, Florida and Minnesota). I can't think of another venue at which it would have been nicer to meet each other. Harvey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:41:23 -0700 From: eric Subject: Re: [lucy-list] Re: Makor late show 7/19/00 Tom wrote: >Since Makor is part of a larger (and very successful) Jewish community >center for the Upper West Side, it is unlikely to go away in 12 months (or >120 months, if they still want to run it) no matter how its staff presently >handles overbooked shows. simple legitimate venue rule #1: don't overbook. and being part of a larger entity with independent financial backing (if that's the inference) doesn't entitle an organization to subject people to the conditions i (and many others) experienced. >There are plenty of acts on plenty of nights where you could have any seat >in the house that you want, table or bar or booth, and it's a very pleasant >place to hang out. it is a great space, no doubt. but they shouldn't bite off more than they can chew. or, to use a russian proverb, "cut wood, but know your limit." >Even on crowded nights, there aren't really many "bad seats," and from >Eric's message it's not clear >that he got one either. we made our way to a booth that could optimistically be defined as "stage left", although we were physically to the left *behind* the microphones. we stayed there until several rather large people sat in the chairs in front of us, at which point the view of the stage was completely obliterated. >The primary complaint seems to be that late arrivers got in first. no, but that was the proverbial clincher. >As a good NYer I appreciate the blind rage this induces, but it's not a >rational reason to boycott the >venue. the rationale to boycott the venue is the overall utter ignorance of (or disregard for) the patron. hey, i'm a good new yorker too, but the taxi driver that took me home showed me more respect than Makor. i don't blame the individuals: i don't know their stories, maybe they were overwhelmed, or having a collective bad night, who knows? it's clearly a management (or lack of same) issue. >Hell, I've waited for 2 hours in hideous squalor before getting into >an overbooked rock show and spending the whole time wedged into a sound-dead >corner while Visigoths spilled mead on my shoes. i've been there too. but the difference is that it was expected. (e.g., patti smith at CBGB's) >You gotta give the other stuff up. no, I don't. and i won't. and that's the beauty of it. i choose not to return to Makor. Neither do my friends, nor do more than a handful of other people i met last night. we'll just have to agree to disagree. and again, i reiterate, this has *nothing* to do with lucy's incredible, unique talent. i love her dearly, and think the world of her ability to marry voice, wit, sadness, and guitar. - - eric ------------------------------ End of lucy-list-digest V2 #184 ******************************* This has been a posting from the Lucy Kaplansky mail list digest To unsubscribe send mail to Majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe lucy-list-digest" in the body of the message