From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V10 #55 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, August 3 2011 Volume 10 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] The Rain Song? Nein, Danke! ["Douglas Stanley" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rain Song? Nein, Danke! From what I remember reading about the mighty Zep, Plant came up with most lyrics on the spot in the recording studio. That would explain the abundant blues clichis and LOTR references. Except, of course, for the first album. Plant was still under contract with a different label and Page had to dole out the blues clichis all by his lonesome. That said, I still love them. Page wrote some amazing songs that rarely see the light of day: Out On the Tiles, The Ocean, Good Times Bad Times, Ramble On, Nobody's Fault But Mine, not to mention Physical Graffiti, of which 75% is pure genius. Doug S. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:05:21 -0700 From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rain Song? Nein, Danke! I love the Mellotron on it, but Plant was never a great lyricist. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:05 PM, robert toren wrote: > Inspired by this very entertaining article about Scott's Music: What Happened: year 1973 > > http://ultimateclassicrock.com/scott-miller-1973-peak-of-classic-rock/ > > ...got Houses of the Holy (Berkeley, Amoeba) and listened all the way through for the first time in decades. When it came out, I thought it was gimmicky compared to Zep IV (mainly the bowed guitar in Dancing Days - though that's a really fun song in spite of the "tadpole in a jar" speed bump). Great album - much better than I expected. > > The *thing* I'm wondering about - I gave The Rain Song an honest chance. Have always seen it as half-lame, self-conscious follow-up to Stairway to Heaven's ballad-y section. Lyrics in particular: Using "gloom" twice and ending with "into every life rain must fall"? At least "To be a rock and not to roll" is open to interpretation. > > And musically - eh! -, I dig the gloomy mood, but - for me - it declines from sparse to uninspired. > > According to Wikipedia it's practically a masterpiece. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rain_Song > > R > - - -- Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com - ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V10 #54 ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:56:13 -0700 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rain Song? Nein, Danke! > That said, I still love them. Page wrote some amazing songs that rarely see the light of day: Out On the Tiles, The Ocean, Good Times Bad Times, Ramble On, Nobody's Fault But Mine, not to mention Physical Graffiti, of which 75% is pure genius. Except to note that Page didn't write "Nobody's Fault But Mine" (see link below), general agreement here. And I'll take "Physical Graffiti" over any other Zeppelin album, allowing that IV is perfect structurally--*no* filler. Love the Zepp, but not as much as some people, thinking specifically of some childhood friends. The easily demonstrable fact that they stole many of their best ideas (see link below) and their ridiculous over-amping of the arrogance (especially as undercut by the thievery)...gotta take some serious points off there. Oh, the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1SRJrNZZw I should point out that "Nobody's Fault But Mine" is still one of my favorite Zeppelin songs, thievery and all. The blistering rock and roll arrangement makes it. 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