From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V9 #30 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, February 14 2010 Volume 09 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] 2009 list [Daniel Vallor ] [loud-fans] Re: Dresden Dolls ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Dresden Dolls [Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2009 list Funny thing is, I'd heard a Dresden Dolls song early on ("Girl Anachronism") and took them for an over-dramatic post-Hole band until some one sent me a link to a very funny video of a great song by them ("Backstabber") and that led me to dig deeper and I've been a fan ever since (something Shannon really doesn't understand, I'm pretty sure). I put that song on a compilation I made for Scott and I've never seen him so conflicted about a song; loved it and was blown away by the musical reach, but was troubled by the hateful sentiment. I don't think I'd dare put him onto "Oasis". - - Dan V > Ah, but clowns are actually pretty goth. Think the Juggalos. > > A mime constitutes the true opposite of a clown (as Bobcat Goldthwait > teaches us), > > Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:09:31 -0800 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Dresden Dolls >Funny thing is, I'd heard a Dresden Dolls song early on ("Girl >Anachronism") and took them for an over-dramatic post-Hole band> I don't blame anyone for misunderstanding a song they've listened to once (I do the same far more often than not), but "Girl Anachronism" is self-aware and funny! Breaking into a virtual quote of "I am the very model of a modern major general"'s melody to announce "I am not so serious/ this passion is a plagiarism"? That vocal delivery of "The attention just encourages her"? The song is incredibly pointed and well-flowing in its labyrinthine melodramatic phrases, for sure, but it calls attention to its own excess. I don't think Courtney Love ever did that in song - and if she did, maybe I underestimate her.

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I think Merritt's early material stood out as musically adventurous (I really liked THE GOTHIC ARCHIES first record, and THE CHARM OF THE HIGHWAY STRIP remains my favorite MF lp), then this peaked with 69 LOVE SONGS, but now it just seems like he's creating product, with an established logo/product identity, replacing the daring with themes. Strangest lyric I've ever heard: "If I was man enough I'd come on your stump" (revisiting Robyn Hitchcock's QUEEN ELVIS and the track "Wax Doll") Most enjoyable revisit of late: Stewart Mason's mention of The Chills "Kaliedescope World" in a post made me think of what a great album that is, and made me want to listen to the record, and that album has a vibe to it that makes you want to move in and make a fire and pour some merlot. It has that great subterranean yet twinkly NZ vibe that you get every once in a while (The Clean did that for me on MODERN ROCK, especially "Safe in the Rain"). Sublime. More of those sublime musical moments, please. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:01:45 -0500 From: outbound-only email address Subject: Re:[loud-fans] Magnetic Fields/Hitchcock/Chills Mark asks: > What are Loudfan thoughts of REALISM ? As with "I," it didn't grab me hard the first time through, but I found myself warming to it with repeated plays, and seeing the band live sealed the deal (with the possible exception of "The Dolls' Tea Party.") > but now it just seems like he's creating product, with an > established logo/product identity, replacing the daring with themes. Yow. Did we hear the same record? For a long time Merritt has approached his art with a degree of formalism uncommon in rock music and I know some folks have a problem with that (reading it as insincere). But "product"? That's harsh. In some ways this is the record I've wanted Merritt to make for a while, since it hews pretty closely to the way the live band approaches the songs. (What I really want is a live album from them, but I realize that's highly unlikely.) Maybe this is common knowledge, but if you bought the CD version there's one less track than if you buy the album on itunes. Happily the bonus track is available for purchase separately. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:36:29 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] New McCall on eMusic, New Carino LET THE NIGHT FALL, the new one from the object of Andy Hamlin's latest obsessive man-crush Tris McCall is finally available on eMusic: http://www.emusic.com/album/Tris-McCall-Let-The-Night-Fall-MP3-Download/11783142.html Downloaded it, but haven't listened to it yet. I did however, listen to the latest from Paula Carino, OPEN ON SUNDAY, and am loving it. http://www.paulacarino.com/ Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:50:31 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New McCall on eMusic, New Carino On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > LET THE NIGHT FALL, the new one from the object of Andy Hamlin's latest > obsessive man-crush Tris McCall is finally available on eMusic: > http://www.emusic.com/album/Tris-McCall-Let-The-Night-Fall-MP3-Download/11783142.html > Downloaded it, but haven't listened to it yet. > > I did however, listen to the latest from Paula Carino, OPEN ON SUNDAY, and > am loving it. > http://www.paulacarino.com/ Coincidentally, I spent some of the last of my Jan/Feb eMusic credits on the new Tris, and just got Ms. Carino's latest in the mail today. It's been a great musical 2010 so far. With Paula's album to be added to this list ASAP: 1) Spoon - Transference 2) Glossary - Feral Fire 3) Eels - End Times 4) Patty Griffin - Downtown Church 5) The Album Leaf - A Chorus of Storytellers Jason & the Scorchers on Feb. 22nd, New Pornographers for my birthday (May 4th). It just keeps getting better. later, Miles - -- over a year of feeling guilty about not blogging enough! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:39:27 -0500 From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New McCall on eMusic, New Carino > It's been a great musical 2010 so far. Hear, hear! And I can even prove it without any overlap with Miles' list* 1. Owen Pallett -- HEARTLAND 2. Laura Veirs -- JULY FLAME 3. Class Actress -- JOURNAL OF ARDENCY 4. The Octagon -- WARM LOVE AND COOL DREAMS FOREVER 5. The Feeling of Love -- OK JUDGE REVIVAL 6. The Paperbacks -- LIT FROM WITHIN *Not because I disagree with any of Miles' picks, but simply because I haven't heard any of them. Or in the case of Glossary, haven't even heard *of* them. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:54:30 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New McCall on eMusic, New Carino On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Jer Fairall wrote: > *Not because I disagree with any of Miles' picks, but simply because I > haven't heard any of them. I actually haven't heard of any of yours at all! But I know that's completely easy to remedy given MySpace, band websites, etc. > Or in the case of Glossary, haven't even heard > *of* them. That's not for lack of me trying here; they've been perennials for me since 2003. You have to pay for the new one, FERAL FIRE, *but* you can download principal singer/songwriter Joey Kneiser's excellent 2009 solo album gratis at http://www.glossary.us/2009/11/23/joeys-solo-record-free-download/ and you can download Glossary's equally nifty prior release, 2007's THE BETTER ANGELS OF OUR NATURE, for the same cheap price (i.e., free, because, as The Other Scott Miller likes to say, "cheap ain't cheap unless that's it's free") at http://www.glossary.us/the-better-angels-of-our-nature-free-download/ So checking out Glossary is easy now, right? later, Miles - -- over a year of feeling guilty about not blogging enough! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:20:52 -0500 From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New McCall on eMusic, New Carino On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Jer Fairall wrote: > 2. Laura Veirs -- JULY FLAME Ditto on this - sounds kind of like Beth Orton was supposed to sound. Very much looking forward to Paula's new CD. - -- Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:37:54 -0800 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] seconding a few endorsements I haven't heard any 2010 albums, and except for my new copy of OPEN ON SUNDAY I won't soon, because this is the time of year when I'm finishing catching up to all the things I really need to hear from 2009, some of which I didn't even learn about til the best-of lists started appearing. In that spirit: Say Anything's self-titled album (Tris's #1 of the year) is indeed smart, passionate, self-aware, theatrical, and very catchy pop punk, and belatedly fits into my top ten somewhere. The Madder Mortem album glenn gave #1 to ('Eight Ways') is excellent, although I'd have to say it's far more interesting to me when it's artily skirting around the edges of heavy metal; the stomping parts, at least so far, wear me down about 2/3 of the way into the record. I've only heard the Cantata Sangui album ('On Rituals and Correspondence Something Something', also highly recommended by glenn) once, so you should entirely rely on his description rather than me saying anything about it, but it's clearly wonderful, and very peppy for a metal record. And I finally found a copy of Fish's '13th Star', which I think was Andy's favorite album of 2008, and I suspect it's at least on a level with my favorites of Fish so far ('Sunset on Empire' / 'Raingods with Zippos'), with a decent chance that I'll end up liking it even better. Where Fish's Marillion tended to get early Genesis comparisons, this might be more 'Duke' era, combined with some much harder-rocking material -- some simpler, some rather odd and sinister. Thanks for the recommendations, all!

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