From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V9 #15 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, January 21 2010 Volume 09 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Trolls! (couldn't resist) [markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Trolls! (couldn't resist) [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] downloads [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] Roxymania! [Andrew Hamlin ] Re: [loud-fans] downloads [treesprite@earthlink.net] [loud-fans] Kate & Anna [glensarvad@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna ["Dan Sallitt" ] Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna ["Michael W. Zwirn" ] Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna [Andrew Hamlin ] Re: [loud-fans] polls! [Andrew Hamlin ] Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna [treesprite@earthlink.net] Re: [loud-fans] polls! [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] downloads [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna ["Dan Sallitt" ] Re: [loud-fans] downloads ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna [aweiss4338@aol.com] [loud-fans] LoudFans 2009 Poll Results [glenn mcdonald ] [loud-fans] Re: LoudFans 2009 Poll Results [glenn mcdonald To: the sound of the collective grumbling Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:01 pm Subject: [loud-fans] Top Ten of 2009 Keeping in mind, as always, that I have yet to hear (or re-listen to) everything I wanted to. Really good year for music - best in a long time. Renewed my interest in the art form. 1. Brendan Benson: MY OLD, FAMILIAR FRIEND 2. Robyn Hitchcock: GOODNIGHT OSLO 3. The Von Bondies: LOVE, HATE AND THEN THERE'S YOU 4. Metric: FANTASIES 5. Morrissey: YEARS OF REFUSAL 6. A.C. Newman: GET GUILTY 7. fun.: AIM AND IGNITE 8. I Was Totally Destroying It: HORROR VACUI 9. Placebo: BATTLE FOR THE SUN 10. Dragonslayer: SUNSET RUBDOWN Honorable Mentions (in alpha artist order): Arctic Monkeys: HUMBUG Audible: IN SIMPLE INTERVALS Bad Lieutenant: NEVER CRY ANOTHER TEAR Julian Casablancas: PHRAZES FOR THE YOUNG Cracker: SUNRISE IN THE LAND OF MILK AND HONEY Gene Dante And The Future Starlets: THE ROMANTIC LEAD The Dodos: TIME TO DIE The Features: SOME KIND OF SALVATION Franz Ferdinand: TONIGHT Girls: ALBUM Luke Haines: 21ST CENTURY MAN Howling Bells: RADIO WARS Johan: 4 Maximo Park: QUICKEN THE HEART The Orange Peels: 2020 Julian Plenti: JULIAN PLENTI IS... SKYSCRAPER Rodrigo Y Gabriela: 11:11 The Soundtrack Of Our Lives: COMMUNION Al Stewart: UNCORKED Superdrag: INDUSTRY GIANTS Wiretree: LUCK Best non-album single: The Gresham Flyers "Berry Buck Mills Stipe" Most welcome return after a 20-some year absence: The Wild Swans Already tired of: Phoenix I did not buy any physical CDs this year. Everything was digitally downloaded. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:00:07 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trolls! (couldn't resist) On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, wrote: > Wow. Do you miss having a physical copy at all? > No, I find it strangely freeing. I think it makes me concentrate more on the music and less on the packaging. And it's saving me a lot of precious space. I think I'm actually purchasing and listening to more this way, yet spending less. I thought it would also have the effect of weening me from my collecting mentality, but actually it's playing right into it. Now I'm just collecting MP3s instead of shiny discs. I've even bought some classic rock albums and other things I never would've gotten on CD (usually because of a special pricing deal). Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:55:18 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Going through 2009 albums alphabetically until I hit ten Neko Case - MIDDLE CYCLONE The Clean - MISTER POP fun. - AIM AND IGNITE Robyn Hitchcock - GOODNIGHT OSLO I Was A King - I WAS A KING Tommy Keene - IN THE LATE BRIGHT A.C. Newman - GET GUILTY Soundtrack Of Our Lives - COMMUNION Trashcan Sinatras - IN THE MUSIC Young Fresh Fellows - I THINK THIS IS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:41:52 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] downloads My hubby has gone all download. He doesn't want to fool with or store physical CDs. Seems like a good idea when your wife has about a couple thousand of them, and I've started downloading more and buying fewer physical discs as well, for both monetary and space concerns. However, though I've never considered myself much of a audiophile, I truly have noticed the quality difference between a hard copy and a "CD quality" high bitrate MP3 or AAC. This has come about when I tried a few songs and decided to spring for a "real" one, or when I've had the real one in mind, but grabbed a couple of downloads to hold me in the meantime. This came home to me in very dramatic fashion recently, when I bought some remasters with Xmas money that the downloads I had were from the same set of remasters. The difference was seriously noticeable. I was amazed at just how much had gotten lost in the compression to MP3. I talked with a friend who said he has had the same experience, that he can really tell the difference. So, if there's an album I just want to try out, or I don't care about it being really good quality, or I just want a song or two off something, I go download. But if it's something I really want to hear and to have at its best, I still buy a physical copy. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:09:44 -0800 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: [loud-fans] Roxymania! Or, a couple of (I'm pretty sure) white guys sittin' around talking about the glittery-est band on earth (or at least in our galaxy): http://rockcritics.com/2010/01/19/roxy-rollin-with-alfred-soto-scott-woods-i/ Now if only that new one would materialize... Andy The Atlantic Years 1973-1980 [Atco, 1983] Borrows "Do the Strand" from For Your Pleasure (originally on Reprise, fellas) and "Love Is the Drug" from Siren and Greatest Hits, the better to showcase Roxy Music the creamy dance band. I wouldn't swear it's a better album than Manifesto, from which it appropriates four cuts. But I would swear it's a better album than Flesh + Blood, from which it also appropriates four cuts. B+ - --Robert Christgau, from www.robertchristgau.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:11:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: treesprite@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] downloads I don't buy a whole lot of downloads (hell, I actually bought more new vinyl this year than I have in ages!), but i've had good luck with the FLAC format in terms of sound quality. The problem with any mp3 (and actually with any kind of digital conversion) is that the difference in sound is made by the quality of the converters -- the numbers (bit rate, etc) make a difference, but there's no real quality control at the point of conversion that we as consumers can know about and trust. There does seem to be a shift towards "audiophile" downloads, though, so i'm hopeful they'll continue to get better. The problem is that download companies now have catalogs stuffed full of bad conversions and we will, at some point, probably see campaigns of upgrading digital conversions the same way we see CD remasters. A friend of mine bought a bunch of Blue Note jazz downloads (all from the same RVG remaster series) and was shocked by the inconsistant quality. B - -----Original Message----- >From: Jenny Grover >Sent: Jan 20, 2010 10:41 AM >To: loud-fans@smoe.org >Subject: [loud-fans] downloads > >My hubby has gone all download. He doesn't want to fool with or store >physical CDs. Seems like a good idea when your wife has about a couple >thousand of them, and I've started downloading more and buying fewer >physical discs as well, for both monetary and space concerns. However, >though I've never considered myself much of a audiophile, I truly have >noticed the quality difference between a hard copy and a "CD quality" >high bitrate MP3 or AAC. This has come about when I tried a few songs >and decided to spring for a "real" one, or when I've had the real one in >mind, but grabbed a couple of downloads to hold me in the meantime. >This came home to me in very dramatic fashion recently, when I bought >some remasters with Xmas money that the downloads I had were from the >same set of remasters. The difference was seriously noticeable. I was >amazed at just how much had gotten lost in the compression to MP3. I >talked with a friend who said he has had the same experience, that he >can really tell the difference. So, if there's an album I just want to >try out, or I don't care about it being really good quality, or I just >want a song or two off something, I go download. But if it's something >I really want to hear and to have at its best, I still buy a physical copy. > >Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:21:07 -0500 From: glensarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna Was surprised to see allmusic doesn't treat their catalog so kindly. I think I'm in the minority, but my fave is the Mark Knopfler-inflected Love Over and Over. I'm also quite fond of Heartbeats Accelerating, which I recall getting tons of critics' love at release. However, their debut never wowed me the way it has so many others.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:43:26 -0500 From: "Dan Sallitt" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna I think I'd agree that the debut isn't the best, and certainly not the lonely eminence of critical consensus. B I love LOVE OVER & OVER, but my favorite is THE FRENCH RECORD. B I think I even prefer the second album, DANCER WITH BRUISED KNEES, to the debut, and that's a clean apples-with-apples comparison. The last album, LA VACHE QUI PLEURE, leads off with one of my favorite McGarrigles songs, "Petites Annonces Amoreuses." - Dan glensarvad@aol.com wrote: Was surprised to see allmusic doesn't treat their catalog so kindly. I think I'm in the minority, but my fave is the Mark Knopfler-inflected Love Over and Over. I'm also quite fond of Heartbeats Accelerating, which I recall getting tons of critics' love at release. However, their debut never wowed me the way it has so many others.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:39:26 -0500 From: "Michael W. Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna I've been listening to a lot of the McGarrigles yesterday and this morning in tribute to Kate. So far, Love Over and Over, Heartbeats Accelerating, and Matapedia. Haven't gotten to some of the others in my collection, and I don't have the French Record or the debut. But Kate will be sorely missed. Michael W. Zwirnmichael@zwirn.comSkype: zwirnm-----Original Message-----From: glensarvad@aol.comDate: 01/20/2010 03:35 PMTo: loud-fans@smoe.orgSubject: Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna Was surprised to see allmusic doesn't treat their catalog so kindly. I think I'm in the minority, but my fave is the Mark Knopfler-inflected Love Over and Over. I'm also quite fond of Heartbeats Accelerating, which I recall getting tons of critics' love at release. However, their debut never wowed me the way it has so many others.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:54:24 -0800 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna Hm...are we looking at the same Allmusic? I see consistent praise and consistently high marks. Did seem odd to me, though, that some of the albums have no reviews. Figured them as "big" enough for someones, somewheres, to be interested. I count two albums in French, too... Andy "i think its written into the state constitution that jersey folks are supposed to have a mild distaste for bat out of hell. funny, because the professor plays on it, and you can sure tell its him. i have always acknowledged that it is a distorted funhouse reflection of wild & innocent & e street shuffle, but is that really so bad? i will never fault a writer or a singer for going ridiculously over the top  i mean, that sure beats grizzly bear. and i dont mind that the motorcycle crash is made literal rather than left implied: overkill is the unifying aesthetic of the album, so how could it be any other way? some of it is just gauche, though. (would i think it was less gross if it had been sung by somebody who looked more like phil lynott and less like the guy selling mini-bottles of patron behind protective glass at the corner bodega? probably.) paradise by the dashboard light has the ring of truth, but it brings back high school memories im not keen on revisiting. more that that  hearing it when i was in middle school seemed to threaten a coming high school horribleness that i didnt want to live through. springsteen never felt like that to me." - --Tris McCall on BAT OUT OF HELL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:13:43 -0800 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] polls! > Somehow I think Glenn will survive. But God love ya, Andy, don't ever let > go of that bone or the world might end. Check--you be nicer to Mark, and I'll quit fretting about capitals. Maybe Rog needs another prank call (haven't graced him in some time, come to think of it...) Andy "havent listened to this since the last time i dropped acid, which was maybe 1990? i remember thinking it was a good record to put on while i was peaking, which i did. but i cant remember anything about my reaction, though i do remember thinking that gypsy woman by crystal waters sounded like the lincoln tunnel. i have always wanted to like captain beefheart more than i do, and not just because many of my friends are nuts about him. it bothers me that i dont know what hes howling about half the time. because its a long road through this one, and when the signposts are in a foreign language, i will just as soon return to the embassy. the fault is mine; the musicians are great, and the main man is an original, and originals dont come cheap. - --Tris McCall on TROUT MASK REPLICA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:28:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: treesprite@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna I love the debut and Dancer, but I listen to La Vache Qui Pleure almost as much. That's kind of a lost gem -- great, simple, focused production and very melodically rich. Love Over and Over never quite grabbed me, but i'll go back. Their catalog seems strangely overlooked in general -- respected, but rarely popping up on lists of important or influencial albums. I think they're underrated as songwriters and most of the focus is generally on their singing and performing. It always seemed to me that much was made of Rufus Wainwright's "family legacy" without much comment on the substance of their influence. Very few people noted that the melodies and structures of his songs have a lot do with his mother's -- despite her folk roots, her songs tend to be melodically sophisticated and rich in detail. Rufus is more bombastic, but there are a number of songs on his debut ("Millbrook" comes to mind) that remind me of his mother's writing. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:31:43 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] polls! On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: Check--you be nicer to Mark, and I'll quit fretting about capitals. > I tried being nicer to Mark, but his therapist said I was enabling him and needed to stop. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:46:40 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] downloads The sound quality issue is the biggest struggle for me. No matter how high the bitrate, I can still sometimes hear compression artifacts and they bug me. But these days I do most of my listening from the computer or in the car, rather than from my "real" system, so even with CDs the sound quality is limited by the reproduction equipment. I've been ripping all my CDs to FLAC (mostly for archival purposes) and VBR MP3s. FLAC definitely sounds better (well, it should sound the same as the CD, since it's a lossless format), but I still mostly listen to the MP3 versions anyway because they're in iTunes with my downloads. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:07:01 -0500 From: "Dan Sallitt" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna > It always seemed to me that much was made of Rufus Wainwright's "family > legacy" without much comment on the substance of their influence. Very few > people noted that the melodies and structures of his songs have a lot do > with his mother's -- despite her folk roots, her songs tend to be > melodically sophisticated and rich in detail. Rufus is more bombastic, but > there are a number of songs on his debut ("Millbrook" comes to mind) that > remind me of his mother's writing. Definitely. Kate brought the Stephen Foster. ethnologist vibe to the McGarrigles, as well as the edge of modern vulgarity. Anna is the purer folkie, and to my mind the more gifted melody writer. (She dominates THE FRENCH RECORD.) Everything about Rufus that can be connected to the McGarrigles is an inheritance from Kate. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:22:00 -0800 From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] downloads FLAC is lossless, like .zip files, so it should be the same as the CD. MP3s are tending toward the 320 kbps level vs. 128 kbps, which is 1/3 the data vs. 1/10 the data, so that's better, but not as good as FLAC. For most casual listening, 128 is OK, 320 is fine, but for anything with On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM, wrote: > I don't buy a whole lot of downloads (hell, I actually bought more new vinyl this year than I have in ages!), but i've had good luck with the FLAC format in terms of sound quality. The problem with any mp3 (and actually with any kind of digital conversion) is that the difference in sound is made by the quality of the converters -- the numbers (bit rate, etc) make a difference, but there's no real quality control at the point of conversion that we as consumers can know about and trust. > There does seem to be a shift towards "audiophile" downloads, though, so i'm hopeful they'll continue to get better. The problem is that download companies now have catalogs stuffed full of bad conversions and we will, at some point, probably see campaigns of upgrading digital conversions the same way we see CD remasters. A friend of mine bought a bunch of Blue Note jazz downloads (all from the same RVG remaster series) and was shocked by the inconsistant quality. - -- Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:40:28 EST From: aweiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kate & Anna In a message dated 1/20/2010 4:43:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, treesprite@earthlink.net writes: I love the debut and Dancer, but I listen to La Vache Qui Pleure almost as much. That's kind of a lost gem -- great, simple, focused production and very melodically rich. Love Over and Over never quite grabbed me, but i'll go back. Love Over and Over is my favorite album from them, and I strongly recommend it. Dancer with Bruised Knees is another album I would recommend. Their catalog seems strangely overlooked in general -- respected, but rarely popping up on lists of important or influencial albums. I think they're underrated as songwriters and most of the focus is generally on their singing and performing. I agree, especially about their 90s output. Wonderful songwriting on all of them. It always seemed to me that much was made of Rufus Wainwright's "family legacy" without much comment on the substance of their influence. Very few people noted that the melodies and structures of his songs have a lot do with his mother's -- despite her folk roots, her songs tend to be melodically sophisticated and rich in detail. Rufus is more bombastic, but there are a number of songs on his debut ("Millbrook" comes to mind) that remind me of his mother's writing. I hear his mom a lot of Rufus's albums, but don't forget his dad. Rufus did a fine cover of One Man Guy on Poses. Andrea Who also sees Kate's influence on her daughter's albums, especially Martha's current album. Kate and Anna appear on a cover of Pink Floyd's See Emily Play on that album, and sound fantastic. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:51:31 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: [loud-fans] LoudFans 2009 Poll Results Thanks to the 25 voters! Winners 1. A.C. Newman - Get Guilty (8 votes) 2. Neko Case - Middle Cyclone (7 votes) 3. Metric - Fantasies (6 votes) 4t. Brendan Benson - My Old, Familiar Friend (4 votes) 4t. The Decemberists - The Hazards of Love (4 votes) Honorable Mention (3 votes) Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavillion The Clientele - Bonfires on the Heath Emm Gryner - Goddess Japandroids - Post-Nothing Morrissey b Years of Refusal Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 - Goodnight Oslo The Trashcan Sinatras - In the Music Tris McCall, Let the Night Fall Yo La Tengo - Popular Songs The Young Fresh Fellows - I Think This Is Also (2 votes) Allyson Seconds & Anton Barbeau, Bag of Kittens Amy X Neuburg - The Secret Language of Subways And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead - The Century of Self Bat for Lashes - Two Suns Ben Krieger - Class Dismissed The Clean "Mister Pop" Dirty Projectors - Bitte Orca Eels - Hombre Lobo Engineers - Three Fact Fader Fun. - Aim and Ignite Future of the Left - Travels With Myself and Another Grizzly Bear - Veckatimest I Was a King - I Was a King Idlewild - Post Electric Blues The Invisible Cities - Houses Shine Like Teeth Matthew Sweet and Susanna Hoffs - Under the Covers, Vol. 2 Moore Brothers - Aptos New York Dolls - Cause I Sez So The Orange Peels - 2020 Phoenix - Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix Regina Spektor, Far The Reigning Sound, Love and Curses Richard Hawley, Truelove's Gutter Roger Joseph Manning, Jr. - Catnip Dynamite Sonic Youth, the Eternal Soundtrack of Our Lives - Communion Tegan & Sara: Sainthood Tommy Keene - In the Late Bright Wilco - Wilco (The Album) Voter Centricity (max 44) 1. Steve Holtebeck 34 2. Andrea Weiss 31 3. Randy Beever 30 3. Roger Winston 30 5. Sue Trowbridge 29 6. R. Kevin Doyle 28 7. Chris Prew 25 8. Jer Fairall 24 8. Tom Galczynski 24 10. Bradley Skaught 21 10. Michael Bowen 21 12. Thomas Krueger 19 13. glenn mcdonald 18 14. CJ Camp 17 14. Doug Mayo-Wells 17 16. Brian Block 16 16. Glen Sarvad 16 16. Joseph M. Mallon 16 16. Michael W. Zwirn 16 16. Richard Blatherwick 16 21. Andrew Hamlin 15 22. Chris Hornbostel 13 23. Dave Walker 12 23. Jenny Grover 12 25. Michael Mitton 7 glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:43:06 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: [loud-fans] Re: LoudFans 2009 Poll Results Oh, and I didn't actually post my own (non-metal) list: 1. Manic Street Preachers:B Journal for Plague Lovers 2. Tori Amos:B Midwinter Graces 3. Idlewild:B Post Electric Blues 4. It Bites:B The Tall Ships 5. Bat for Lashes:B Two Suns 6. Wheat:B White Ink Black Ink 7. Stars of Track and Field:B A Time for Lions 8. Tegan & Sara:B Sainthood 9. Metric:B Fantasies 10. MaxC/mo Park:B Quicken the Heart Expounded upon here: http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0511 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:56:47 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LoudFans 2009 Poll Results Thank you for doing this - now who the heck is Metric and how did I miss them? On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:51 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: > Thanks to the 25 voters! > > Winners > > 1. A.C. Newman - Get Guilty (8 votes) > 2. Neko Case - Middle Cyclone (7 votes) > 3. Metric - Fantasies (6 votes) > 4t. Brendan Benson - My Old, Familiar Friend (4 votes) > 4t. The Decemberists - The Hazards of Love (4 votes) > > Honorable Mention (3 votes) > > Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavillion > The Clientele - Bonfires on the Heath > Emm Gryner - Goddess > Japandroids - Post-Nothing > Morrissey b Years of Refusal > Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 - Goodnight Oslo > The Trashcan Sinatras - In the Music > Tris McCall, Let the Night Fall > Yo La Tengo - Popular Songs > The Young Fresh Fellows - I Think This Is > > Also (2 votes) > > Allyson Seconds & Anton Barbeau, Bag of Kittens > Amy X Neuburg - The Secret Language of Subways > And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead - The Century of Self > Bat for Lashes - Two Suns > Ben Krieger - Class Dismissed > The Clean "Mister Pop" > Dirty Projectors - Bitte Orca > Eels - Hombre Lobo > Engineers - Three Fact Fader > Fun. - Aim and Ignite > Future of the Left - Travels With Myself and Another > Grizzly Bear - Veckatimest > I Was a King - I Was a King > Idlewild - Post Electric Blues > The Invisible Cities - Houses Shine Like Teeth > Matthew Sweet and Susanna Hoffs - Under the Covers, Vol. 2 > Moore Brothers - Aptos > New York Dolls - Cause I Sez So > The Orange Peels - 2020 > Phoenix - Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix > Regina Spektor, Far > The Reigning Sound, Love and Curses > Richard Hawley, Truelove's Gutter > Roger Joseph Manning, Jr. - Catnip Dynamite > Sonic Youth, the Eternal > Soundtrack of Our Lives - Communion > Tegan & Sara: Sainthood > Tommy Keene - In the Late Bright > Wilco - Wilco (The Album) > > Voter Centricity (max 44) > > 1. Steve Holtebeck 34 > 2. Andrea Weiss 31 > 3. Randy Beever 30 > 3. Roger Winston 30 > 5. Sue Trowbridge 29 > 6. R. Kevin Doyle 28 > 7. Chris Prew 25 > 8. Jer Fairall 24 > 8. Tom Galczynski 24 > 10. Bradley Skaught 21 > 10. Michael Bowen 21 > 12. Thomas Krueger 19 > 13. glenn mcdonald 18 > 14. CJ Camp 17 > 14. Doug Mayo-Wells 17 > 16. Brian Block 16 > 16. Glen Sarvad 16 > 16. Joseph M. Mallon 16 > 16. Michael W. Zwirn 16 > 16. Richard Blatherwick 16 > 21. Andrew Hamlin 15 > 22. Chris Hornbostel 13 > 23. Dave Walker 12 > 23. Jenny Grover 12 > 25. Michael Mitton 7 > > glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:01:41 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: [loud-fans] Re: LoudFans 2009 Poll Results Oh, and to explain the Centricity bit, for people not immersed in poll-stats like I've been for the past couple weeks, I score each voter on the total number of votes received by all the albums they voted for. The higher the number, the closer that voter was to matching the poll's critical consensus. If you'd picked the 10 highest-ranked albums in this poll, your Centricity number would be 44. Steve came the closest, with 34. If you'd voted for 10 albums that nobody else picked, you'd have just 10. Michael Mitton cast only 3 votes, thus his even lower number... > Voter Centricity (max 44) > > 1. Steve Holtebeck 34 > 2. Andrea Weiss 31 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V9 #15 ******************************