From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V8 #240 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, December 23 2009 Volume 08 : Number 240 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Rolling Stone's song list [Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rolling Stone's song list That was really... not easy. Here's what I came up with after thinking about it for a few minutes. 1. Ampersand - Ilkae 2. The Only Man in Town - Moose 3. Helen Reddy - Trembling Blue Stars 4. Idioteque - Radiohead 5. Illumination - Broadcast 6. Get Ur Freak On - Missy Elliot 7. Fallen Snow - Au Revoir Simone 8. Bruises - Chairlift 9. Rutten - Skream 10. Grindin' - Clipse 11. Pillow - Capitol K 12. Coming In From The Cold - the Delgados 13. Fraud In The 80's - Mates of State 14. Someone Great - LCD Soundsystem 15. Neon Beanbag - Stereolab 16. Aventyr i Alperna - Sagor & Swing 17. Atlas - Battles 18. Da Da Da - Belaire 19. Over and Over Again (Lost and Found) - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah 20. For You (JDSY Remix) - Solvent 21. Conspiracy of the Gods - Trans Am 22. Me And Giuliani Down By The Schoolyard (A True Story) - !!! 23. Mirando - Ratatat 24. Forgiveness - Engineers 25. (This Is) The Dream of Evan and Chan - Dntel -d.w. On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Brian Block wrote: >> then again, me and "representative" haven't spoken since what, third > grade? >> Andy > > Understood, man - understood. The top 100s, I note from the individual > ballots, were compiled from each voter's top 25 list. Does anyone else > find the prospect of narrowing a decade to 25 best songs -- *ranked* > best songs -- as weird or formidable as I do? > > I sketched out a list just to see what it would be like; there's no > reason you'd care, but since I made it, I'll paste it below. Songs 5-7 > and 22-25 are all songs that I assume got other votes in the R.S. poll > or may even (I didn't check yet) have ranked in the cumulative poll, > and > 22-25 were chosen in part for that reason. Otherwise it's obscurity at > an Andy Hamlin level. > > At any rate, if I were to completely forget this list and make a new > one > next month, the top 3 are the only ones I'm certain would be on the > next > list. 2.5 songs per year ... greatness just isn't anything like that > sparse. There are some of you whose song lists, if you made them, > would > interest me; adding them up doesn't make sense to me at all. > > 1. "Tattoo Song" (Amy X Neuburg) > 2. "Cure of a Kiss" (Count Zero) > 3. "Disconnected" (Veruca Salt) > 4. "As I Sit Down to Play the Organ" (Sparks) > 5. "B.Y.O.B." (System of a Down) > 6. "Toxicity" (System of a Down) > 7. ?" (Yeasayer) > 8. "Stiletto'd Young Stars" (Rebecca Moore) > 9. "Merry Christmas, Sgt. Kraulis" (Martin Tielli) > 10. "Coin-Operated Boy" (Dresden Dolls) > 11. "Attraction is Ephemeral" (Mecca Normal) > 12. "Plea from a Cat Named Virtute" (Weakerthans) > 13. "No Room in Your Bag" (GrooveLily) > 14. "Stress" (Jim's Big Ego) > 15. "Freewritten" (Jonny 5 and Yak) > 16. "the Vietnamese Telephone Ministry" (Fiery Furnaces) > 17. "Drachma" (5uu's) > 18. "Ghost of Corporate Future" (Regina Spektor) > 19. "Employed" (Ford Pier) > 20. "My Rollercoaster" (Kimya Dawson) > 21. "Teen for God" (Dar Williams) > 22. "Stillness is the Move" (Dirty Projectors) > 23. "Time to Pretend" (MGMT) > 24. "Hands Clean" (Alanis Morissette) > 25. "Our Life is Not a Movie or Maybe" (Okkervil River) > > > >

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http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 > million members! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:18:59 -0800 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Rolling Stone's song list <-----Original Message-----> >From: Dave Walker [dwalker@freeke.org] > 1. Ampersand - Ilkae > 2. The Only Man in Town - Moose > 3. Helen Reddy - Trembling Blue Stars > 4. Idioteque - Radiohead > 5. Illumination - Broadcast > 6. Get Ur Freak On - Missy Elliot > 7. Fallen Snow - Au Revoir Simone > 8. Bruises - Chairlift > 9. Rutten - Skream >10. Grindin' - Clipse >11. Pillow - Capitol K >12. Coming In From The Cold - the Delgados >13. Fraud In The 80's - Mates of State >14. Someone Great - LCD Soundsystem >15. Neon Beanbag - Stereolab >16. Aventyr i Alperna - Sagor & Swing >17. Atlas - Battles >18. Da Da Da - Belaire >19. Over and Over Again (Lost and Found) - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah >20. For You (JDSY Remix) - Solvent >21. Conspiracy of the Gods - Trans Am >22. Me And Giuliani Down By The Schoolyard (A True Story) - !!! >23. Mirando - Ratatat >24. Forgiveness - Engineers >25. (This Is) The Dream of Evan and Chan - Dntel I'm impressed how much of Dave's list is songs I'm fond of (mainly because I know Dave's into a lot of electronic instrumental stuff that leaves me cold). "Idioteque", "Pillow", "Someone Great", "Atlas" ... I don't know the particular Delgados/ Mates of State/ Clap Your Hands songs he chooses, but I'm sure I'll enjoy them if I check them out. This suggests the other problem with aggregating people's song lists, though: even if I'd picked songs by all seven of those bands, "Atlas" is the only actual song we'd both have maybe landed on. Which means a collected list by disparate critics (or critics and musicians, in Rolling Stone's case) will be a list of hit singles: the only songs multiple unrelated people will happen to vote for together. And those are exactly the songs we don't need someone else to recommend to us. The criticism applies far less to, say, Pitchfork's Top 100 songs of 2009, where the tighter scope (100 songs for just one year) and in-group connections among the voters make it easy for something weird to rank. I hardly ever read one of their reviews as opposed to skimming -- Matthew Perpetua I'll actually read; Dominique Leone was worth a read when he worked there -- but the skimming is still useful to me.

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