From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V8 #154 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, August 22 2009 Volume 08 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Of Montreal observation/question [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? [Tom Galczynski ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Albums of the Decade [Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] Of Montreal observation/question Has anyone noted any 10cc influence on Of Montreal? There are parts of some of their songs on the last two albums (which are the only Of Montreal that I have) that remind me a lot vocally of 10cc, especially the Godley/Creme iteration. I never expected to like Of Montreal based on what I heard of their earlier work, but they seem to be a different kind of joint these days. It's kind of nice to have a band move closer to my tastes for a change [casts nasty glance Wilco's way]. Were they as super-twee as I thought back then, or did I have them misjudged all along? later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:12:10 -0400 From: Chris Hornbostel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Of Montreal observation/question They've always been the musical equivalent of refrigerator art, hoisted into prominence by indulgent parents across the land. "Thanks for bringing that recipe over, and oh look--did I show you what Of Montreal painted today in music class?" (Says this grumpy 10cc fan....) On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Has anyone noted any 10cc influence on Of Montreal? There are parts > of some of their songs on the last two albums (which are the only Of > Montreal that I have) that remind me a lot vocally of 10cc, especially > the Godley/Creme iteration. > > I never expected to like Of Montreal based on what I heard of their > earlier work, but they seem to be a different kind of joint these > days. It's kind of nice to have a band move closer to my tastes for a > change [casts nasty glance Wilco's way]. Were they as super-twee as I > thought back then, or did I have them misjudged all along? > > later, > > Miles > > -- > now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:31:36 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? Props for what I think of as PAULA CARINO'S AQUACADE by Paula Carino. One of my favorite albums. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Miles Goosens > wrote: > > 1) Scott Miller & the Commonwealth - Thus Always To Tyrants > > 2) Wire - Send > > 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade > > 4) Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot > > 5) The Church - Forget Yourself > > 6) Art Brut - It's a Bit Complicated > > 7) Hank III - Straight To Hell > > 8) Goldfrapp - Supernature > > 9) Todd Steed & the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells > > 10) Interpol - Antics > > Scott Miller but no Scott Miller, eh? Muy triste. Still, chacun ` > son gout. The Carino album appears to be out of print (any chance of > bringing it back, Sue and/or Joe?), and I'm unlikely to ponder > anything masterminded by that girlfriend-stealing carbuncle sometimes > called S. Kilbey; but all-in-all, a fair number of records I should > study up! I like Hank III a lot better playing country music than > ragging on everybody else's country music--what's the ratio on > STRAIGHT TO HELL? > > And why shouldn't SMILE count (we'll use "What year's on the > copyright?" in the spirit of Miles' favorite "What country do I live > in?")? > > Andy > > > "That first night the Dolls thought that we might go for a 'femme' > look, and showed up in hot pants, tights, and pumps--erroneously > thinking there might be some familiar drag-queen Dolls fans that we > knew and loved. But no dice. No freaks to entertain. As a matter of > fact, when we started to play no one was there to watch the band at > all! Where was the audience, we were wondering? After a couple of > tunes, though, the Dolls got the messages that the patrons of this > 'club' were there for one purpose and one purpose only: to have > anonymous sex with multiple strangers! Whoa!" > > --Arthur Kane, from his posthumously-published memoir I, DOLL: LIFE > AND DEATH WITH THE NEW YORK DOLLS > - -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommarcinko http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/TomMarcinko http://www.new.facebook.com/tom.marcinko http://blip.fm/the_night_manager http://www.last.fm/user/OurGame ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:36:52 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull Not a knock, either, but Ian Anderson has said they deliberately included Pythonesque bits of comedy in their act. That was about the time Python came to PBS. Thought I saw more of it in the newspaper packaging of THICK AS A BRICK, but I guess that's where the frogman answering the phone came from. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Ian Runeckles wrote: > There was an Island collection issued here in the UK some years back called > Elements but I downloaded it as mp3s from amazon.co.uk a few months ago - > wonderful. Collects Floating World, Waves, Kites and Way Of The Sun. Bit > pricey on CD though as is OOP. > > Ian > > > Tim Walters wrote: > >> Steve Schiavo wrote: >> >>> I listened to Floating World, Waves, and Kites all the time when they >>> came out. All excellent. >>> >> >> Add WAY OF THE SUN (my favorite), and you have, I believe, the complete >> stripid set. >> >> >>> >> >> Or not; looks like REFLECTIONS is in as well. That one I don't know. >> > - -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommarcinko http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/TomMarcinko http://www.new.facebook.com/tom.marcinko http://blip.fm/the_night_manager http://www.last.fm/user/OurGame ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:56:46 -0500 From: Tom Galczynski Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? Aquacade is also one of my all time favorites. "Waiting For You" just kills me. I also really like Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and I don't even like Wilco! I think most of their stuff sounds unfinished (which may be what they're going for) but YHF was a gem. Tom Galczynski tgalczynski@comcast.net--------------------------------------- Nothing is born, nothing is destroyed. Away with your dualism, your likes and dislikes. Every single thing is just the One Mind. When you have perceived this, you will have mounted the Chariot of the Buddhas. -- Huang Po Tom Marcinko wrote: Props for what I think of as PAULA CARINO'S AQUACADE by Paula Carino. One of my favorite albums. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: 1) Scott Miller & the Commonwealth - Thus Always To Tyrants 2) Wire - Send 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade 4) Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot 5) The Church - Forget Yourself 6) Art Brut - It's a Bit Complicated 7) Hank III - Straight To Hell 8) Goldfrapp - Supernature 9) Todd Steed & the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells 10) Interpol - Antics Scott Miller but no Scott Miller, eh? Muy triste. Still, chacun ` son gout. The Carino album appears to be out of print (any chance of bringing it back, Sue and/or Joe?), and I'm unlikely to ponder anything masterminded by that girlfriend-stealing carbuncle sometimes called S. Kilbey; but all-in-all, a fair number of records I should study up! I like Hank III a lot better playing country music than ragging on everybody else's country music--what's the ratio on STRAIGHT TO HELL? And why shouldn't SMILE count (we'll use "What year's on the copyright?" in the spirit of Miles' favorite "What country do I live in?")? Andy "That first night the Dolls thought that we might go for a 'femme' look, and showed up in hot pants, tights, and pumps--erroneously thinking there might be some familiar drag-queen Dolls fans that we knew and loved. But no dice. No freaks to entertain. As a matter of fact, when we started to play no one was there to watch the band at all! Where was the audience, we were wondering? After a couple of tunes, though, the Dolls got the messages that the patrons of this 'club' were there for one purpose and one purpose only: to have anonymous sex with multiple strangers! Whoa!" --Arthur Kane, from his posthumously-published memoir I, DOLL: LIFE AND DEATH WITH THE NEW YORK DOLLS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:01:18 -0700 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] jazz piano recommendations? > Stacey loves Hazel Scott....I'm glad you mentioned her! In case Stacey hasn't seen it yet, a biography of Ms. Scott appeared last year: http://www.amazon.com/Hazel-Scott-Pioneering-Journey-Hollywood/dp/0472115677/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250881085&sr=1-1 Happy reading! Andy "What was the worst aspect of the 70s? The extent to which people thought the 60s were better." - --J.D. Considine, from http://rockcritics.com/2009/08/18/question-of-the-week-what-was-the-worst/#comments ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:14:43 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? << "Waiting For You" just kills me.>> Me too. Every time. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Tom Galczynski wrote: > Aquacade is also one of my all time favorites. "Waiting For You" just > kills me. I also really like Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and I don't even like > Wilco! I think most of their stuff sounds unfinished (which may be what > they're going for) but YHF was a gem. > > Tom Galczynski > tgalczynski@comcast.net--------------------------------------- > Nothing is born, nothing is destroyed. Away with your dualism, > your likes and dislikes. Every single thing is just the One > Mind. When you have perceived this, you will have mounted the > Chariot of the Buddhas. -- Huang Po > > Tom Marcinko wrote: > > Props for what I think of as PAULA CARINO'S AQUACADE by Paula Carino. One > of > my favorite albums. > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Hamlin > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Miles Goosens < > outdoorminer@gmail.com> wrote: > > 1) Scott Miller & the Commonwealth - Thus Always To Tyrants > 2) Wire - Send > 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade > 4) Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot > 5) The Church - Forget Yourself > 6) Art Brut - It's a Bit Complicated > 7) Hank III - Straight To Hell > 8) Goldfrapp - Supernature > 9) Todd Steed & the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells > 10) Interpol - Antics > > Scott Miller but no Scott Miller, eh? Muy triste. Still, chacun ` > son gout. The Carino album appears to be out of print (any chance of > bringing it back, Sue and/or Joe?), and I'm unlikely to ponder > anything masterminded by that girlfriend-stealing carbuncle sometimes > called S. Kilbey; but all-in-all, a fair number of records I should > study up! I like Hank III a lot better playing country music than > ragging on everybody else's country music--what's the ratio on > STRAIGHT TO HELL? > > And why shouldn't SMILE count (we'll use "What year's on the > copyright?" in the spirit of Miles' favorite "What country do I live > in?")? > > Andy > > "That first night the Dolls thought that we might go for a 'femme' > look, and showed up in hot pants, tights, and pumps--erroneously > thinking there might be some familiar drag-queen Dolls fans that we > knew and loved. But no dice. No freaks to entertain. As a matter of > fact, when we started to play no one was there to watch the band at > all! Where was the audience, we were wondering? After a couple of > tunes, though, the Dolls got the messages that the patrons of this > 'club' were there for one purpose and one purpose only: to have > anonymous sex with multiple strangers! Whoa!" > > --Arthur Kane, from his posthumously-published memoir I, DOLL: LIFE > AND DEATH WITH THE NEW YORK DOLLS > - -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommarcinko http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/TomMarcinko http://www.new.facebook.com/tom.marcinko http://blip.fm/the_night_manager http://www.last.fm/user/OurGame ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:27:46 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? There are some 2008/2009 releases that might make the list if you ask me in a year or two, but right now I'd have to say: Moose - High Ball Me Criminally unheard band. They have 3 songs I'd place in my desert island 25... Ilkae - Pistachio Island Broadcast - Haha Sound I probably listen to "The Noise Made By People" more, but this is the one where they became more than the sum of their influences. Isolee - Rest The Postal Service - Give Up Radiohead - Kid A Vitesse - You Win Again, Gravity! The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs Akufen - My Way Casino Versus Japan - Whole Numbers Play The Basics -d.w. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Tom Marcinko wrote: > << "Waiting For You" just > kills me.>> > > Me too. Every time. > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Tom Galczynski wrote: > >> Aquacade is also one of my all time favorites. "Waiting For You" just >> kills me. I also really like Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and I don't even like >> Wilco! I think most of their stuff sounds unfinished (which may be what >> they're going for) but YHF was a gem. >> >> Tom Galczynski >> tgalczynski@comcast.net--------------------------------------- >> Nothing is born, nothing is destroyed. Away with your dualism, >> your likes and dislikes. Every single thing is just the One >> Mind. When you have perceived this, you will have mounted the >> Chariot of the Buddhas. -- Huang Po >> >> Tom Marcinko wrote: >> >> Props for what I think of as PAULA CARINO'S AQUACADE by Paula Carino. One >> of >> my favorite albums. >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Hamlin >> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Miles Goosens < >> outdoorminer@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 1) Scott Miller & the Commonwealth - Thus Always To Tyrants >> 2) Wire - Send >> 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade >> 4) Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot >> 5) The Church - Forget Yourself >> 6) Art Brut - It's a Bit Complicated >> 7) Hank III - Straight To Hell >> 8) Goldfrapp - Supernature >> 9) Todd Steed & the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells >> 10) Interpol - Antics >> >> Scott Miller but no Scott Miller, eh? Muy triste. Still, chacun ` >> son gout. The Carino album appears to be out of print (any chance of >> bringing it back, Sue and/or Joe?), and I'm unlikely to ponder >> anything masterminded by that girlfriend-stealing carbuncle sometimes >> called S. Kilbey; but all-in-all, a fair number of records I should >> study up! I like Hank III a lot better playing country music than >> ragging on everybody else's country music--what's the ratio on >> STRAIGHT TO HELL? >> >> And why shouldn't SMILE count (we'll use "What year's on the >> copyright?" in the spirit of Miles' favorite "What country do I live >> in?")? >> >> Andy >> >> "That first night the Dolls thought that we might go for a 'femme' >> look, and showed up in hot pants, tights, and pumps--erroneously >> thinking there might be some familiar drag-queen Dolls fans that we >> knew and loved. But no dice. No freaks to entertain. As a matter of >> fact, when we started to play no one was there to watch the band at >> all! Where was the audience, we were wondering? After a couple of >> tunes, though, the Dolls got the messages that the patrons of this >> 'club' were there for one purpose and one purpose only: to have >> anonymous sex with multiple strangers! Whoa!" >> >> --Arthur Kane, from his posthumously-published memoir I, DOLL: LIFE >> AND DEATH WITH THE NEW YORK DOLLS >> > > > > -- > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommarcinko > http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ > http://twitter.com/TomMarcinko > http://www.new.facebook.com/tom.marcinko > http://blip.fm/the_night_manager > http://www.last.fm/user/OurGame ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:31:27 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Albums of the Decade treesprite@earthlink.net wrote: > Ah, this must be my Disagree With Other Ted Leo Fans week! I don't like anything after Hearts Of Oak. I'm not entirely sure why -- i've put on my nerdy, analytical hat and come to no real conclusion. Hearts Of Oak is the masterpiece to me and Tyranny Of Distance is a close second. I guess Shake The Sheets would be third, but I didn't keep it. Partly I miss the second guitar player and the violin -- they were a big part of that Hearts-era genius. > > Wow. I downloaded Hearts of Oak back in the day and actually deleted it. I didn't like it at all. I can tolerate Shake the Sheets, and there are three songs on it I quite like. Not thrilled with the other albums. Guess in general I'm just not a Ted Leo fan. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:34:47 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] jazz piano recommendations? Tim Walters wrote: > Oscar Peterson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAH4DXsNSyo > > McCoy Tyner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3LTh99BeL4 > > Paul Bley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0SL5CxZrwc > > Art Tatum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Cs_zb4q14 > > Bill Evans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C84KmJwtPeI > > Thanks! What I've heard by them was what I'd consider pretty normal jazz, but I'll delve deeper. Taking a running swipe at eMusic yesterday (some of you know our long, maddening saga with trying to get our Verizon internet service hooked up in the new house), I decided to grab some Chick Corea. Long ago I didn't care for him, but maybe now I will. The samples sounded right up my (tin pan) alley. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:36:02 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] jazz piano recommendations? treesprite@earthlink.net wrote: > Yes, and: T Monk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2s6LZUdYaU > Well, I do like what I've heard, though it's been mostly on the slowish side and with others taking the fore in the combo; that's why I asked if anyone recommends a particular TM album. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:41:20 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] jazz piano recommendations? Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Well you won't find "ordinary" in any note Monk ever played, so by > that rationale any of his records will do! Well, yeah, but on the other hand I don't really know what qualifies as normal in jazz (seems to me that doing things that aren't normal in other musical forms is kinda the norm in jazz). Perhaps I should have said accessibly tuneful to most people's ears. You know, unlike Ornette Coleman. LOL > Christgau did proclaim > MYSTERIOSO, from 1958, his favorite record of all time, so that's as > good a place to start as any. > Sounds good to me! Thanks! > I can recommend Cecil Taylor's solo piano album SILENT TONGUES and his > ensemble album IT IS IN THE BREWING LUMINOUS. I find Taylor quite interesting overall. Thanks for all the recommendations! Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V8 #154 *******************************