From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V8 #151 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, August 19 2009 Volume 08 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? [outbound-only email address ] Re: [loud-fans] Giants [Aaron Milenski ] [loud-fans] Re: He blinded me with the word "science" ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull [Aaron Milenski ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: He blinded me with the word "science" ["Tim Walters" ] [loud-fans] Idiot Son live 1990 [robert toren ] [loud-fans] Re: Tull ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull [] Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? [Erik Faleski ] Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? ["Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? Andy: >Anybody else's thoughts? First four to mind in order: The Mountain Goats - The Sunset Tree Fugazi - The Argument - you all knew I had to say this, right? but such a huge step out of the boxes they (sometimes) played within. Vulgaires Machins - Compter Les Corps - fantastic melodic punk album with tremendous production -- sonically a bit similar to Bad Religion at their peak, maybe. The contrast/interplay between rough singing Mais Guillaume and sweet singing Marie-Eve is to die for. Hallelujah the Hills - Collective Psychosis Begone - kind of elephant 6-ish, outstanding lyrics and arrangements trump slightly murky production. Soooo impatient for the new one!! After that I went to look up if Ted Leo's "Hearts of Oak" counts (yes, 2003) or if The Magnetic Fields "69 Love Songs" does (no, 1999). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:32:57 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? 1) Scott Miller & the Commonwealth - Thus Always To Tyrants 2) Wire - Send 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade 4) Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot 5) The Church - Forget Yourself 6) Art Brut - It's a Bit Complicated 7) Hank III - Straight To Hell 8) Goldfrapp - Supernature 9) Todd Steed & the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells 10) Interpol - Antics later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:08:49 -0700 From: "Brian Block" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Giants >Thomas Dolby says: "What's that about major hits that were smart/nerdy, >goofy, and not parodies?" I've never heard anyone cite Dolby as an influence, but I take your point. >Best selling indie albums of all time At the time, yes: LINCOLN ('88) was the first indie release to go platinum, and no others except TMBG's debut had even come close. Post-Nirvana, some other indie albums would go on to sell more. That's okay: I've never seen any list of influential albums/bands/songs where the rationales didn't involve being ahead of the times. No band has ever done the things, musically, that Jethro Tull did; that's how we know Tull were _not_ influential.

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http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:58:42 -0700 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Tull >You might want to take a stroll through early 70s British prog rock >and you'll see than MANY bands did the things Tull did. Oh? I might. Which do you recommend, and which "things Tull did" did they borrow?

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http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:28:54 -0400 From: Aaron Milenski Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull I recommend Jade Warrior, Synanthesia, Amazing Blondel, early Caravan, Spirogyra, Forest, East of Eden, Gracious, Dr. Strangely Strange, to name a few, to get an idea where the entire scene was. The kind of experimentation Tull did with flutes as a rock instrument and also by combining blues-rock with traditrional English music is something that was done by others. I'm not saying Tull doesn't have a distinctive sound. I'm just saying that like pretty much every other band, they were an organic combination of the styles around them and not wholly unique. That's not a knock on them. It's just that your statement about them was awfully definitive, and could easily have applied to Yes or Genesis or whoever. Of the bands mentioned above, I think Jade Warrior is the most unique and distinctive, the one who sounds least like any other band I know. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:29:30 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull Jethro Tull was an important influence in lots of ways, including in how their commercial success inspired acts such as Strawbs and Simon Dupree and the Big Sound to pursue their own rock/folk/prog vision. Peter Hammill probably also felt like he finally had a place in rock music. Jethro Tull was also the primary influence on Kansas, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull > I think Jade Warrior > is > the most unique and distinctive, the one who sounds least like any other > band > I know. I would highly recommend buying any Jade Warrior album with stripes on the cover, and add Gryphon and Camel to your list. - -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: He blinded me with the word "science" > They Might Be Giants' hit > songs were lyrically dense nests of allusions, and musically pillaged > decades of lost styles at a time. 10cc is the obvious (to me) precedent, although of course there are many differences between the bands as well. - -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: robert toren Subject: [loud-fans] Idiot Son live 1990 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDTmsQZf9tM Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:41:57 -0700 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Tull >I recommend Jade Warrior, Synanthesia, Amazing Blondel, early Caravan, >Spirogyra, Forest, East of Eden, Gracious, Dr. Strangely Strange, to name >a few, to get an idea where the entire scene was. Thanks, Aaron and Tim! (Dr. Strangely Strange were already on my shopping list, I have a couple Caravan records, the rest is news.) I would disagree with Aaron about the same statement applying to Yes or Genesis, though -- the entire Marillion-led "neo-prog" movement of the 1980s showed a deep familiarity with Genesis, and plenty of bands from Starcastle to the present have done their best imitations (usually colorless ones, although Spock's Beard, whose bassist clearly appreciated Chris Squire, had their moments) of Yes. I will happily look into Tull's cohort, but it'd be nice to hear a present-day band with any signs of HEAVY HORSES in'em. I don't expect to. That's all. :)

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http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull > I will happily look into Tull's cohort, but it'd be nice to hear a > present-day band with any signs of HEAVY HORSES in'em. I don't expect > to. That's all. :) Not HH specifically--more THICK AS A BRICK--but THE CRANE WIFE sounds very Tull-ish to me, especially the track 2 medley. - -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:37:05 -0700 From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull As does a lot of THE HAZARDS OF LOVE. (Even bits of A PASSION PLAY.) On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Tim Walters wrote: >> I will happily look into Tull's cohort, but it'd be nice to hear a >> present-day band with any signs of HEAVY HORSES in'em. I don't expect >> to. That's all. :) > > Not HH specifically--more THICK AS A BRICK--but THE CRANE WIFE sounds very > Tull-ish to me, especially the track 2 medley. > > -- > Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com > - -- Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:53:09 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull There was also a band called Gravy Train that treaded in this territory. - ---- Aaron Milenski wrote: > I recommend Jade Warrior, Synanthesia, Amazing Blondel, early Caravan, > Spirogyra, Forest, East of Eden, Gracious, Dr. Strangely Strange, to name > a few, to get an idea where the entire scene was. The kind of experimentation > Tull did with flutes as a rock instrument and also by combining blues-rock with > traditrional English music is something that was done by others. I'm not saying > Tull doesn't have a distinctive sound. I'm just saying that like > pretty much every > other band, they were an organic combination of the styles around them and > not wholly unique. That's not a knock on them. It's just that your statement > about them was awfully definitive, and could easily have applied to Yes or > Genesis or whoever. Of the bands mentioned above, I think Jade Warrior is > the most unique and distinctive, the one who sounds least like any other band > I know. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Faleski Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? After a long period of trying to listen to every classic album ('60s - early '90s) I could get my hands on, I've decided slowly and gradually over the past year to listen to some contemporary classics. This is not a true 'best of' list, just 10 albums from '00-'09 that I favor over other albums from the same period. In no particular order: 1) David Bowie - 'Heathen' 2) Wilco - 'Yankee Foxtrot Hotel' 3) Arcade Fire - 'Neon Bible' 4) M. Ward - 'Hold Time' / She & Him - 'Volume One' 5) Portishead - 'Third' 6) Camera Obscura - 'Let's Get Out Of This Country' 7) Super Furry Animals - 'Rings Around the World' 8) Matthew Sweet - 'Kimi ga suki * Raifu' 9) Apples in Stereo - 'The Discovery of a World Inside the Moone' 10) Dresden Dolls - 'A is for Accident' 10a) Brian Wilson - 'Smile' (can't really count this for obvious reasons) - --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Miles Goosens wrote: > From: Miles Goosens > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:32 AM > 1) Scott Miller & the > Commonwealth - Thus Always To Tyrants > 2) Wire - Send > 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade > 4) Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot > 5) The Church - Forget Yourself > 6) Art Brut - It's a Bit Complicated > 7) Hank III - Straight To Hell > 8) Goldfrapp - Supernature > 9) Todd Steed & the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells > 10) Interpol - Antics > > later, > > Miles > > > -- > now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:20:25 -0400 From: Chris Hornbostel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? My list: AIM FOR THE HOLES IN THEIR LIVES, Novillero THE BLAKES, The Blakes ESCAPE VELOCITY, Finn's Motel (more than any other record of the decade, EV is the one that picks up the Scott Miller flag and charges onward with it, and yes, Joe Thebeau is a GT/LF fan) EASY LISTENING, Cobra Verde NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT, Sloan SHAKE THE SHEETS, TLrX On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:15 AM, outbound-only email address < eeimmnno@antithetical.org> wrote: > Andy: > >Anybody else's thoughts? > > First four to mind in order: > > The Mountain Goats - The Sunset Tree > > Fugazi - The Argument - you all knew I had to say this, right? but > such a huge step out of the boxes they (sometimes) played within. > > Vulgaires Machins - Compter Les Corps - fantastic melodic punk album > with tremendous production -- sonically a bit similar to Bad Religion > at their peak, maybe. The contrast/interplay between rough singing > Mais Guillaume and sweet singing Marie-Eve is to die for. > > Hallelujah the Hills - Collective Psychosis Begone - kind of elephant > 6-ish, outstanding lyrics and arrangements trump slightly murky > production. Soooo impatient for the new one!! > > After that I went to look up if Ted Leo's "Hearts of Oak" counts (yes, > 2003) or if The Magnetic Fields "69 Love Songs" does (no, 1999). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:16:29 -0700 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > 1) Scott Miller & the Commonwealth - Thus Always To Tyrants > 2) Wire - Send > 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade > 4) Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot > 5) The Church - Forget Yourself > 6) Art Brut - It's a Bit Complicated > 7) Hank III - Straight To Hell > 8) Goldfrapp - Supernature > 9) Todd Steed & the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells > 10) Interpol - Antics Scott Miller but no Scott Miller, eh? Muy triste. Still, chacun ` son gout. The Carino album appears to be out of print (any chance of bringing it back, Sue and/or Joe?), and I'm unlikely to ponder anything masterminded by that girlfriend-stealing carbuncle sometimes called S. Kilbey; but all-in-all, a fair number of records I should study up! I like Hank III a lot better playing country music than ragging on everybody else's country music--what's the ratio on STRAIGHT TO HELL? And why shouldn't SMILE count (we'll use "What year's on the copyright?" in the spirit of Miles' favorite "What country do I live in?")? Andy "That first night the Dolls thought that we might go for a 'femme' look, and showed up in hot pants, tights, and pumps--erroneously thinking there might be some familiar drag-queen Dolls fans that we knew and loved. But no dice. No freaks to entertain. As a matter of fact, when we started to play no one was there to watch the band at all! Where was the audience, we were wondering? After a couple of tunes, though, the Dolls got the messages that the patrons of this 'club' were there for one purpose and one purpose only: to have anonymous sex with multiple strangers! Whoa!" - --Arthur Kane, from his posthumously-published memoir I, DOLL: LIFE AND DEATH WITH THE NEW YORK DOLLS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:33:38 -0700 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Aaron Milenski wrote: >[...]I think Jade Warrior is > the most unique and distinctive, the one who sounds least like any other band > I know. Intriguing words to be sure! On top of which you gotta love a band whose first and latest albums (though not some of the ones in between) apparently eschew drumming. Against that, though, I found the eBay prices a bit daunting. On top of which, with respect to the question "Has this album cover got stripes or not?" the answer in oddly enough more than one case proves to be: "Kinda..." Can someone advise me on where to dive in? Oh and Gryphon's last studio album TREASON just came out in a fresh (import) edition, Andy "This same philosophy is a good horse in the stable, but an arrant jade on a journey." - --Oliver Goldsmith, with respect to Frangois, duc de La Rochefoucauld's "Philosophy triumphs easily over past evils and future evils, but present evils triumph over it." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:56:09 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Erik Faleski wrote: > 10a) Brian Wilson - 'Smile' (can't really count this for obvious reasons) It counts for me. My CD copy says (c)2004. I haven't finalized my albums of the 2000s, but it will probably include 1) A Ted Leo album, probably HEARTS OF OAK 2) A New Pornographers album, probably ELECTRIC VERSION 3) The Decemberists - PICARESQUE 4) Fountains of Wayne - UTOPIA PARKWAY 5) Green Day - AMERICAN IDJIT 6) The National - BOXER 7) Radiohead - IN RAINBOWS 8) Sufjan Stevens - ILLINOISE 9) Teenage Fanclub - MAN-MADE 10) SMILE - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:54:16 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Tull > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Aaron > Milenski wrote: >> [...]I think Jade Warrior is >> the most unique and distinctive, the one who sounds least like any >> other band >> I know. On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Intriguing words to be sure! On top of which you gotta love a band > whose first and latest albums (though not some of the ones in between) > apparently eschew drumming. Against that, though, I found the eBay > prices a bit daunting. On top of which, with respect to the question > "Has this album cover got stripes or not?" the answer in oddly enough > more than one case proves to be: "Kinda..." > > Can someone advise me on where to dive in? > > Oh and Gryphon's last studio album TREASON just came out in a fresh > (import) edition, > > Andy I listened to Floating World, Waves, and Kites all the time when they came out. All excellent. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:53:17 -0700 From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? As much as I hate being pedantic, and as much as I love the album, UTOPIA PARKWAY is from 1999. I'm sure about that because I used it to burn the first CD-R in our first CD-R drive, in 1999. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > 2) A New Pornographers album, probably ELECTRIC VERSION - -- Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:51:32 -0700 From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album(s) Of The Decade? On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: >> 3) Paula Carino - Aquacade > > Scott Miller but no Scott Miller, eh? Muy triste. Still, chacun ` > son gout. The Carino album appears to be out of print (any chance of > bringing it back, Sue and/or Joe?) It's available digitally on iTunes, and I think Paula gets all the money from it, so buy it there. - -- Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V8 #151 *******************************