From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V8 #63 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, March 24 2009 Volume 08 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene [Tom Marcinko ] [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love [Tom Marcinko ] Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene [Tom Marcinko ] Re: [loud-fans] Randall Bewley RIP [Andrew Hamlin ] Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love [Andrew Hamlin ] Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love ["Stewart Mason" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:37:01 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene It's not that impressive of an album, but anyone buying into the praise for Tommy Keene's IN THE LATE BRIGHT should at least try ordering from KoolKatMusik, where they throw in a bonus CD-R of 10 tracks from the RUN NOW era. Remastering has also been completed on the upcoming reissue of Carnival Season's WAITING FOR NO ONE, which is a great Keene-produced album from 1987. After that, we should see a Primitons reissue. Keene didn't have anything to do with that one, but that's still pretty good news. Also, Wounded Bird has reissued Great Buildings' APART FROM THE CROWD. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219858252x1201366219/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene > It's not that impressive of an album, but anyone buying into the praise for > Tommy Keene's IN THE LATE BRIGHT should at least try ordering from > KoolKatMusik, where they throw in a bonus CD-R of 10 tracks from the RUN NOW era. I wonder if this is the Dolphin album that never got released. Is there a song on it that is called something like "I Fall Down Too," with a prominent two-part harmony on the chorus; and an Everlys-style upbeat song that I think was called "We Two"? And then a bunch of songs that found their way onto other records? - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene >> It's not that impressive of an album, but anyone buying into the praise for >> Tommy Keene's IN THE LATE BRIGHT should at least try ordering from >> KoolKatMusik, where they throw in a bonus CD-R of 10 tracks from the RUN >> NOW era. > > I wonder if this is the Dolphin album that never got released. Is there a > song on it that is called something like "I Fall Down Too," with a prominent > two-part harmony on the chorus; and an Everlys-style upbeat song that I think > was called "We Two"? And then a bunch of songs that found their way onto > other records? - Dan Sorry, should have checked the label site first - the info is there. It doesn't look like the exact set of songs that I heard, but it's substantially the same stuff. As far as I remember, "I Fall Down Too" was never released in any form, and it's one of my favorite Keene songs. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:04:52 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene I hadn't realized that he worked with Robert Pollard as the Keene Bros., but that's what I saw on Last.fm. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Dan Sallitt wrote: > It's not that impressive of an album, but anyone buying into the praise for >>> Tommy Keene's IN THE LATE BRIGHT should at least try ordering from >>> KoolKatMusik, where they throw in a bonus CD-R of 10 tracks from the RUN >>> NOW era. >>> >> >> I wonder if this is the Dolphin album that never got released. Is there a >> song on it that is called something like "I Fall Down Too," with a prominent >> two-part harmony on the chorus; and an Everlys-style upbeat song that I >> think was called "We Two"? And then a bunch of songs that found their way >> onto other records? - Dan >> > > Sorry, should have checked the label site first - the info is there. It > doesn't look like the exact set of songs that I heard, but it's > substantially the same stuff. As far as I remember, "I Fall Down Too" was > never released in any form, and it's one of my favorite Keene songs. - Dan > - -- http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ Recently published: "A Close Personal Relationship" in New Writings in the Fantastic, ed. John Grant http://www.pendragonpress.net/books/new-writings-in-the-fantastic/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:10:22 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love Any other Decemberist fans out there? I'm really enjoying the new album. Which you can hear them perform live for free: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101397853 - -- http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ Recently published: "A Close Personal Relationship" in New Writings in the Fantastic, ed. John Grant http://www.pendragonpress.net/books/new-writings-in-the-fantastic/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene > I hadn't realized that he worked with Robert Pollard as the Keene Bros., but > that's what I saw on Last.fm. The results felt more like Pollard than Keene to me. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:09:21 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing... On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Dan Sallitt wrote: > I hadn't realized that he worked with Robert Pollard as the Keene Bros., >> but >> that's what I saw on Last.fm. >> > > The results felt more like Pollard than Keene to me. - Dan > - -- http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ Recently published: "A Close Personal Relationship" in New Writings in the Fantastic, ed. John Grant http://www.pendragonpress.net/books/new-writings-in-the-fantastic/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:24:44 -0700 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Randall Bewley RIP > I interviewed GoF > that night before the show and original bassist Dave Allen was oddly AWOL. He > showed up for the set, but as it turned out had tried to quit the band that > night- he did a few more gigs, flew home, and was eventually replaced by Sara > Lee. I seem to recall that Allen's immediate replacement was the late great Busta "Cherry" Jones. Anybody see him with the band? Any way to read the interview mentioned above? And Our Stewart gets quoted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four_(band) , Andy Shoyoroku - Case 63: Joshu Asks about "Death" [1] Joshu asked Tosu, "What if a man who has died a great Death comes back to life?" Tosu said, "I don't allow walking about in the night. Come in the daylight." - --from http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/eric.boix/Koan/Shoyoroku/63_Joshu_asks_about_death.txt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:57:39 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Randall Bewley RIP On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: I seem to recall that Allen's immediate replacement was the late great > Busta "Cherry" Jones. I love her work as the President on "24" this season. And Our Stewart gets quoted at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four_(band), Not surprising - Stewart's quoted *everywhere*. His review of Tripotassium Phosphate on the Cheerios box is stunningly relevant. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:20:35 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Tom Marcinko wrote: > Any other Decemberist fans out there? I'm really enjoying the new album. > Which you can hear them perform live for free: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101397853 > > -- > http://tomaq.livejournal.com/ Just listened to it under less-than-ideal circumstances (in my noisy car, with a CD player that insists on putting pauses between tracks, even when they don't exist on the CD), and I was...I'm not sure. On the one hand, it's nice to hear someone tackle a good, old-fashioned rock opera again. I found myself thinking of early Genesis without the tricksy time signatures and the manual dexterity contests. On the other hand, I like Colin Meloy best when he's writing pop songs like "16 Military Wives" or "The Sporting Life". I'm willing to give it some more listens, though, and if nothing else, I love the relish with which he sings about murdering his children on "The Rake's Song". My other listen of the day was the new Robyn Hitchcock, "Goodnight Oslo". That, on first listen, seemed to be his best since "Jewels For Sophia". MB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:41:18 -0400 From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More Tommy Keene Speaking of reissues, I just got The Rebel Group's combo set of Wheat's MEDEIROS and HOPE & ADAMS (with bonus disc of b-sides and whatnot), and if you forgot how great this band is, or never knew to begin with, I couldn't recommend it more highly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:09:58 -0700 From: Andrew Hamlin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love > On > the one hand, it's nice to hear someone tackle a good, old-fashioned > rock opera again. I found myself thinking of early Genesis without the > tricksy time signatures and the manual dexterity contests. For anyone who loves "The Lamb" and missed the book: http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Broadway-Ashgate-Popular-Music/dp/0754661474/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237860012&sr=1-1 ...too bad about no pictures, but I'm finding the text worthwhile. Thought for the day: Okay, I understand from Professor Holm-Hudson how TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS makes a convenient kick-dog regarding rock "excess." But...ELP gets a free pass on the symphonic bombast, armadillo/armament/manticore follies, triple live albums, classical theft, *and* an album cover ripping off the Bee Gees? Next you'll tell me Bob Stinson tried to get Paul Westerberg to play "Roundabout," Andy Shoyoroku - Case 2: Bodhidharma's "Vast and Void" [1] Emperor Bu of Ryo asked Great Master Bodhidharma, "What is the highest meaning of the holy reality?" Bodhidharma replied, "Vast and void, no holiness." The emperor said, "Who are you in front of me?" Bodhidharma said, "I don't know." The emperor did not match him. Finally, Bodhidharma crossed the Yangtse River and came to the Shorin Temple. There he sat for nine years, facing the wall. [1]: see case 1 of Hekiganroku. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:13:00 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > For anyone who loves "The Lamb" and missed the book: > > http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Broadway-Ashgate-Popular-Music/dp/0754661474/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237860012&sr=1-1 > > ...too bad about no pictures, but I'm finding the text worthwhile. > > Thought for the day: Okay, I understand from Professor Holm-Hudson > how TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS makes a convenient kick-dog > regarding rock "excess." But...ELP gets a free pass on the symphonic > bombast, armadillo/armament/manticore follies, triple live albums, > classical theft, *and* an album cover ripping off the Bee Gees? > > Next you'll tell me Bob Stinson tried to get Paul Westerberg to play > "Roundabout," > > Andy I seem to recall that ELP were kicked around plenty back in the day. ELP, Rick Wakeman, Mike Oldfield, and Yes were my faves in high school back when they were current, and I remember pretty much all of them getting nothing but negative reviews. For whatever reason, Genesis never quite came across my radar screen until 1976, during my freshman year of college, at which point they became my favorites. I think TfTO is the whipping boy largely because of the ridiculous name. MB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:42:52 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love ELP gets a free pass? I thought they were pretty much the most universally derided prog band of all. I mean, most people will at least cop to liking FRAGILE or "Owner of Lonely Heart" or something, but even if someone grudgingly admits to not thinking "Lucky Man" is entirely awful, they usually at least make fun of the synth solo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:42:35 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > ELP gets a free pass? I thought they were pretty much the most universally > derided prog band of all. I mean, most people will at least cop to liking > FRAGILE or "Owner of Lonely Heart" or something, but even if someone > grudgingly admits to not thinking "Lucky Man" is entirely awful, they > usually at least make fun of the synth solo. > Oh, there's lots of ELP that I will admit to liking. But not "Lucky Man," which is a three-chord throwaway of a song with really naff lyrics. - -- Matt + The final cause, then, produces motion through being loved. Aristotle (384-322 B.C.), Metaphysics, bk. I, ch. 7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:07:49 -0700 From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Matthew Weber wrote: > Oh, there's lots of ELP that I will admit to liking. But not "Lucky Man," > which is a three-chord throwaway of a song with really naff lyrics. In honor of that song, my wife terms the entire genre of prog "oooh-wee-oooh-wee" music. For the record, I loathe ELP, love Genesis, and like a lot Yes. I agree with the members of Yes, who've been quoted that TFTO would make a really good single album. Conversely, I think WIND & WUTHERING would've made a great double album. - -- Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:07:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Hazards of Love - --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > In honor of that song, my wife terms the entire genre of > prog > "oooh-wee-oooh-wee" music. Man, THAT cracks me up! > For the record, I loathe ELP, love Genesis, and like a lot > Yes. I > agree with the members of Yes, who've been quoted that > TFTO would make > a really good single album. Conversely, I think WIND & > WUTHERING > would've made a great double album. I generally agree with Joe, cuz I'm a prog-head myself..As a teenager I liked ELP a lot. Saw them live and was blown away...but that stuff does not age well. I also saw Yes' TFTO tour and was pummeled into nodding out, but I got the remastered CD and like most of it just fine. Gil ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V8 #63 ******************************