From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V8 #10 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, January 15 2009 Volume 08 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] LoudFans 2008 Poll Results ["Michael Bowen" ] Re: [loud-fans] LoudFans 2008 Poll Results ["Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LoudFans 2008 Poll Results On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Michael Bowen wrote: >> The >> album I listened to most, though, was the Individuals reissue. > > Holy schmole, when did *that* happen? I have, like, three copies of > the FIELDS LP on my shelf. Sounds like "must buy" for me. > Glenn Morrow finally got the rights to their recordings and put them out last August on Bar/None. They did one reunion show at Maxwell's which I was lucky enough to see (even if the parking garage hid the sign that said they closed at 11 and locked my car up overnight). They sounded great and looked pretty good, too, although Janet wore a really awful dress. They also recorded a show on WFMU that I think is available on their website. MB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:10:06 -0500 From: glensarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Poll Results Question Thanks as always, glenn!? Only one question:? On the album similarity grid below, Los Campesinos! and Times New Viking appears twice, but with different values depending on the order listed.? Is this just a typo? Album Similarity (all with 2 voters in common) 0.333 Cloud Cult: Feel Good Ghosts :: Veda Hille: This Riot Life 0.333 Veda Hille: This Riot Life :: Cloud Cult: Feel Good Ghosts 0.296 Los Campesinos!: Hold On Now, Youngster :: Times New Viking: Rip It Off 0.267 Sigur Ros: Med Sud i Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust :: M83: Saturdays=Youth 0.267 Sloan: Parallel Play :: Army Navy: Army Navy 0.267 Sloan: Parallel Play :: Mates of State: Re-Arrange Us 0.242 REM: Accelerate :: Army Navy: Army Navy 0.242 REM: Accelerate :: Hold Steady: Stay Positive 0.242 Times New Viking: Rip It Off :: Los Campesinos!: Hold On Now, Youngster Both were on my list, BTW.? I have a strong guess on the "mystery list," are we playing a guessing game or preserving confidentiality? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:56:14 -0500 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LoudFans 2008 Poll Results Brian > Three bands I've never heard of, three more I think I've heard vague quasi-interesting things about. In other words, I have new things to go learn. Thanks, glenn! < Our similarity isn't entirely coincidental. I was doing a go-back-and-relisten exercise, and the presence of Cloud Cult and Veda Hille on your list made sure that they got queued up in the relisten stack. Notes on a few of them shamelessly plagiarized from myself I think folks here might like The Bicycles. Clever indie pop, good co-ed vocals, slightly fruity arrangements ... Apples in Stereo might be the best RIYL. P.K.14 is a chinese post-punk/indie rock act (somebody else said they sounded like very late period Fugazi, which isn't far off, although the vocal style is much more commercial). I found them via the "Look Directly ino the Sun: China Pop 2007' comp which yielded several artists I was moved to follow up on (Hang on the Box, China Dub Soundsystem, Queen Sea Big Shark, Car-sick Cars in additon to P.K.14). You can check out previews (or DL if you're a member) at emusic.com. The We Versus the Shark album is a free all-covers album available at quoteunquoterecords.com. I like it a lot better than their own material. The Manhattan Love Suicides take their cues from Jesus and Mary Chain and the buzz-pop bands of the late 80s (Primitives, Darling Buds, Wonderstuff...). Burnt Out Landscapes is an enormous quantum leap beyond their debut, even though it features new versions of some of the same songs. I love The Capstan Shafts but you have to have a lot of tolerance for extremely sloppy performances -- even more than with, say, GBV. Also like GBV, the records more-or-less get slightly higher fi as you go forward in time. Several Captstan Shafts are legitimately available free for download at archive.org. If you send Dean some $ via paypal (his address is on the myspace site) he will send you boatloads of suprisingly gorgeous hand-assembled collage sleeves with CDRs in them, although it may take him a while to get to it. * Have you heard Laura Barrett? I'm still trying to make up my mind where her "Victory Gardens" sits on the good vs. just interesting scale, but it's interesting for sure, in a way that calls to mind Veda Hille and maybe early Jane Siberry. I got mine at zunior.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:56:34 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Loudfans 2008 Poll Results (after recount!) Ugh, I just discovered that Gmail's spam filter, which had been serving me so well that I'd stopped double-checking it, nabbed a few ballots, and then attempted to cover its own tracks by nabbing a couple emails from those same people telling me that I'd missed their first emails. After some scouring, I've now got 25 ballots from these people: Andrea Weiss Andrew Hamlin Bradley Skaught Brian Block Chris Prew CJ Camp Dave Walker Doug Mayo-Wells Gil Ray Glen Sarvad glenn mcdonald Jack Lippold Jeff Downing Jenny Grover Jer Fairall Michael Mitton Mike Curley Miles Goosens R. Kevin Doyle Randy Beever Richard Blatherwick Richard Gagnon Steve Holtebeck Thomas Krueger Tom Galczynski 233 votes 167 albums Now the winners are: 6 votes: Mountain Goats: Heretic Pride REM: Accelerate 5 votes: Lindsey Buckingham: Gift of Screws Sloan: Parallel Play Vampire Weekend: Vampire Weekend 4 votes: Aimee Mann: @#%&*! Smilers Nick Cave: Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!! Sigur Ros: Med Sud i Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust 3 votes: Bob Mould: District Line British Sea Power: Do You Like Rock Music? Fleet Foxes: Fleet Foxes Hold Steady: Stay Positive Los Campesinos!: Hold On Now, Youngster Robert Forster: The Evangelist TV on the Radio: Dear Science Voter Centricity 0.733 Tom Galczynski 0.622 Michael Mitton 0.622 Randy Beever 0.600 Steve Holtebeck 0.578 CJ Camp 0.533 Jeff Downing 0.533 R. Kevin Doyle 0.511 Brian Block 0.467 Glen Sarvad 0.467 Miles Goosens 0.452 Mike Curley 0.422 Chris Prew 0.422 glenn mcdonald 0.417 Gil Ray 0.400 Jer Fairall 0.378 Bradley Skaught 0.378 Dave Walker 0.378 Richard Blatherwick 0.356 Andrea Weiss 0.333 Doug Mayo-Wells 0.333 Richard Gagnon 0.333 Thomas Krueger 0.311 Jenny Grover 0.267 Andrew Hamlin 0.185 Jack Lippold Voter Similarity (all with 3 votes in common) 0.302 - Tom Galczynski - CJ Camp 0.291 - Tom Galczynski - Steve Holtebeck 0.261 - CJ Camp - Tom Galczynski 0.260 - Randy Beever - Jeff Downing 0.255 - Steve Holtebeck - Tom Galczynski 0.255 - Tom Galczynski - Randy Beever 0.247 - Jeff Downing - Randy Beever 0.218 - Randy Beever - Tom Galczynski Album Similarity (second number is the votes in common) 0.333 - 3 - Mountain Goats: Heretic Pride - Aimee Mann: @#%&*! Smilers 0.333 - 2 - Cloud Cult: Feel Good Ghosts - Veda Hille: This Riot Life 0.333 - 2 - Veda Hille: This Riot Life - Cloud Cult: Feel Good Ghosts 0.296 - 2 - Los Campesinos!: Hold On Now, Youngster - Times New Viking: Rip It Off 0.286 - 3 - REM: Accelerate - Sloan: Parallel Play 0.273 - 3 - Aimee Mann: @#%&*! Smilers - Mountain Goats: Heretic Pride 0.267 - 2 - Aimee Mann: @#%&*! Smilers - Okkervil River: The Stand Ins 0.267 - 2 - Sigur Ros: Med Sud i Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust - M83: Saturdays=Youth 0.261 - 3 - Sloan: Parallel Play - REM: Accelerate 0.242 - 2 - Sloan: Parallel Play - Army Navy: Army Navy 0.242 - 2 - Sloan: Parallel Play - Mates of State: Re-Arrange Us 0.242 - 2 - Times New Viking: Rip It Off - Los Campesinos!: Hold On Now, Youngster 0.242 - 2 - Vampire Weekend: Vampire Weekend - Mates of State: Re-Arrange Us 0.222 - 2 - Hold Steady: Stay Positive - Robert Forster: The Evangelist 0.222 - 2 - Mountain Goats: Heretic Pride - Okkervil River: The Stand Ins 0.222 - 2 - REM: Accelerate - Army Navy: Army Navy 0.222 - 2 - Robert Forster: The Evangelist - Hold Steady: Stay Positive 0.205 - 2 - "Nick Cave: Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!" - TV on the Radio: Dear Science 0.205 - 2 - Sigur Ros: Med Sud i Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust - Bob Mould: District Line 2 votes: American Music Club: The Golden Age Army Navy: Army Navy Bauhaus: Go Away White Bye Bye Blackbirds: Houses and Homes Cloud Cult: Feel Good Ghosts Conor Oberst: Conor Oberst Deerhunter: Microcastle Delays: Everything's the Rush Dungen: 4 Eric Matthews: The Imagination Stage Frightened Rabbit: The Midnight Organ Fight Gutter Twins: Saturnalia M83: Saturdays=Youth Mates of State: Re-Arrange Us Nada Surf: Lucky Okkervil River: The Stand Ins Raconteurs: Consolers of the Lonely Shearwater: Rook Sparks: Exotic Creatures of the Deep Times New Viking: Rip It Off Veda Hille: This Riot Life glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:03:53 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Poll Results Question No, that's not a typo. The similarity calculation I'm using is asymmetrical, and reverse-weights the objects of the similarities (the second albums in each pair shown) by their popularity. At these numbers this is just geekery, but in larger samples this does a pretty good job of mitigating the dominance of the most popular choices. If you're interested in the details, they're discussed at http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&id=282 . On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:10 AM, wrote: > Thanks as always, glenn!? Only one question:? On the album similarity grid below, Los Campesinos! and Times New Viking appears twice, but with different values depending on the order listed.? Is this just a typo? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:09:01 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LoudFans 2008 Poll Results - ----- Original Message ----- From: "outbound-only email address" > Have you heard Laura Barrett? I'm still trying to make up my mind > where her "Victory Gardens" sits on the good vs. just interesting > scale, but it's interesting for sure, in a way that calls to mind > Veda > Hille and maybe early Jane Siberry. I got mine at zunior.com. I have an earlier EP of hers that I find really charming. Is she still just voice and kalimba? S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:18:12 -0500 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] Laura Barrett I have an earlier EP of hers that I find really charming. Is she still just voice and kalimba? S < That's the basis of most of the songs, but no, there's all kinds of stuff. piano, strings, woodwinds, horns, etc. I have no idea how to describe the genre of this record -- the prominence of vocals argues that it's some sort of pop or folk, the arrangements are (mostly) in the general area of chamber music, and melodically it often seems to have more in common with jazz than anything else. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V8 #10 ******************************