From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #547 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, November 21 2008 Volume 07 : Number 547 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Simplify [PunkRok ] [loud-fans] Can ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] Can ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Can [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Can ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Can ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] pop song help, please! [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] pop song help, please! [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:32:52 -0700 From: PunkRok Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Simplify Ahh - Since my iphone is unlocked, I use installer not the app store to get my applications. The app is called uXM and is super handy. I can listen to XM on my iphone, and if I don't have wifi, I can change the bitrate to 64kbps so I can still listen to it over the slower tmobile network. If you go to modmyi.com, you should be able to search their forums for more information. I used their steps to unlock my phone over a year ago . . . :) On 11/19/08, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, PunkRok wrote: > > Actually, yeah. I have dug on the simplfy app for a while. I have a first >> gen iPhone hacked on tmobile, so I don't get the glorious 3g speeds folks >> refer to nowadays, but the app still works well on wifi, so I listen to it >> at work all the time. Also lovin' the XM app - listen to that at work as >> well. >> > > What XM app? more details, pelase - I can't find anything about it onthe > app store. > > Joe Mallon > jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:51:53 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: [loud-fans] Can Thank you to everyone who gave me some suggestions regarding the work of Gram Parsons a few months ago. Understanding his contribution to modern music helped me understand a little better where the alt-country bands of the last 30 or 40 years were coming from. Now, in my never ending quest to understand the roots of the music I enjoy, its time for me to look into Can. I've read a lot about Can's influence on dozens and dozens of artists, but I've only ever heard "Spoon." So, where should I start? Which album(s) do you consider to be "Can for Beginners?" - --- If I can get back to Gram Parsons' importance for a moment, after listening to a ton of his work - which is actually very enjoyable - I realized that I wasn't getting any particular "this is different" or "this is especially radical" vibe out of it. I remember feeling the same way when I first listened to Big Star. My impressions is that both Parsons and Big Star were, indeed, exceptional and innovative in their time, but their imitators had made such an enormous impression on me by the time I came around to them that their work was naturally going to suffer in comparison. I imagine something similar will occur as I dive into Can. - --- Anyhow, thanks for your time and suggestions. R. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:55:54 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can > So, where should I start? Which album(s) do you consider to be "Can for > Beginners?" EGE BAMYASI and TAGO MAGO. MONSTER MOVIE, too, but that's a very different incarnation of Can. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:15:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can > If I can get back to Gram Parsons' importance for a moment, after listening > to a ton of his work - which is actually very enjoyable - I realized that I > wasn't getting any particular "this is different" or "this is especially > radical" vibe out of it. I remember feeling the same way when I first > listened to Big Star. My impressions is that both Parsons and Big Star > were, indeed, exceptional and innovative in their time, but their imitators > had made such an enormous impression on me by the time I came around to them > that their work was naturally going to suffer in comparison. I wouldn't say that these people were major innovators. Parsons was unusually willing to use undiluted country stylings in a rock context, but it seems to me he worked well within a tradition, as did Big Star. (And Shakespeare, and Mozart - there's no shame in working within a tradition.) - - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:47:53 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can > EGE BAMYASI and TAGO MAGO. > > MONSTER MOVIE, too, but that's a very different incarnation of Can. I couldn't say which incarnation of Can, but I heard one track and gasped, "Oh my God. PiL invented *nothing*." Musicwise, at least (Johnny invented himself), Andy At the start of each ["American Idol"] season a few contestants perform who have no stage presence or singing ability. Their auditions are embarrassing to everyone but themselves. Eventually one of the judges, usually the Englishman Simon Cowell, interrupts their performance to ask, barely cloaking his disbelief, if they really imagine that they have a chance of winning "American Idol." They invariably reply, "Yes, because my singing is unique," or "Yes, because no one else sings the way I do," as if this quality is of value to the world. Simon bluntly disabuses them of the notion, explaining that they are completely without talent and better suited for a less glamorous profession. At first they appears [sic] confused and disoriented, as though the ground has been snatched from under them. When they have had a few minutes to regroup and digest what has occurred, they explode with anger, making derisive hand gestures at the camera, and attacking the competence of the judges with language that is unacceptable on the airwaves. The fragile structure of their narcissism has been publicly attacked. The trophy on the mantle is revealed as a sham, the problem in the basement exposed. They may fume about the incident for weeks or months before returning to their old selves. Nothing is learned from such lessons; they protect themselves by continuing to believe that the show is unfair and the judges inept. - --Jonathan Fast, from his book CEREMONIAL VIOLENCE: A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPLANATION OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:55:41 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can > I couldn't say which incarnation of Can, but I heard one track and > gasped, "Oh my God. PiL invented *nothing*." The album that makes me think of PiL is Yoko Ono's PLASTIC ONO BAND. Lennon's guitar on it is really amazing. I had no idea he had it in him. People say that Yoko influenced people like Lene Lovich and Nina Hagen, but I think the music was just as ahead of its time as the singing. All it took was the new wave for people to realize that this kind of experimentation (as Scott always said) works beter with short songs than long ones. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:07:50 +0100 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] pop song help, please! Today I heard a gorgeous indie-type pop song with male vocals, in a store, piped in music service, no way of knowing what it was (I even asked the clerk, just in case). It was noisy enough in the store that I couldn't catch many lyrics at all, and nothing really distinctive that sounded like it might be the title. One line I came away with is "Today is the day the sun wipes everything away", or something really close to that. I can't turn anything up via Google with that line. Anyone know what it is or might be? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:02:30 +0000 From: 1325carter@comcast.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pop song help, please! Sounds like Tahiti 80's "Get Yourself Together". "Feels like we live in a movie It's too good to be true But don't worry Cause today, today is the day When the sun wipes everything away" Regards, Bill - -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jenny Grover > Today I heard a gorgeous indie-type pop song with male vocals, in a > store, piped in music service, no way of knowing what it was (I even > asked the clerk, just in case). It was noisy enough in the store that I > couldn't catch many lyrics at all, and nothing really distinctive that > sounded like it might be the title. One line I came away with is "Today > is the day the sun wipes everything away", or something really close to > that. I can't turn anything up via Google with that line. Anyone know > what it is or might be? > > Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:46:34 -0500 From: "Paul King" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pop song help, please! Google'd with quotes: "Get Yourself Together" by Tahiti 80 Crappy sound quality, but you'll definitele make it out, and the lyrics are also there. http://www.actionext.com/names_t/tahiti_80_lyrics/get_yourself_together.html http://tinyurl.com/5jqwyo Paul King > Today I heard a gorgeous indie-type pop song with male vocals, in a > store, piped in music service, no way of knowing what it was (I even > asked the clerk, just in case). It was noisy enough in the store that I > couldn't catch many lyrics at all, and nothing really distinctive that > sounded like it might be the title. One line I came away with is "Today > is the day the sun wipes everything away", or something really close to > that. I can't turn anything up via Google with that line. Anyone know > what it is or might be? > > Jen > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3628 (20081120) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:57:44 +0100 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pop song help, please! Paul King wrote: > Google'd with quotes: > "Get Yourself Together" by Tahiti 80 > Crappy sound quality, but you'll definitele make it out, and the lyrics are > also there. > > http://www.actionext.com/names_t/tahiti_80_lyrics/get_yourself_together.html > > http://tinyurl.com/5jqwyo > > Paul King > OMG, that's it! Thank you so much! I knew I could count on you folks :-) That's got to be the best Tahiti 80 song I've heard. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:08:07 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > Which album(s) do you consider to be "Can for Beginners?" FUTURE DAYS ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #547 *******************************