From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #480 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, August 18 2008 Volume 07 : Number 480 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] More Jam [GlenSarvad@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] More Jam [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Jam for (absolute) beginners? [Markwstaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners - thanks (+ Danny P and Steve Wynn) [rob] Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners - thanks (+ Danny P and Steve Wynn) Many thanks for all the great detailed advice I ordered All Mod Cons and Setting Sons with the extra tracks: 1. Girl On The Phone 2. Thick As Thieves 3. Private Hell 4. Little Boy Soldiers 5. Wasteland 6. Burning Sky 7. Smithers-Jones 8. Saturday's Kids 9. The Eton Rifles 10. Heat Wave 11. Strange Town 12. When You're Young 13. Smithers-Jones (single version) 14. See-Saw 15. Going Underground 16. The Dreams Of Children 17. So Sad About Us 18. Hey Mister 19. Start Very excited to put these on regular rotation at work Thanks again! Robert who yesterday in Golden Gate Park ran into AlisonFL's movie-making hubby, Danny Plotnick, watching Dan Hicks sing with a jug band. Among other things, we discussed the live Dream Syndicate video Danny recently put together and uploaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnZ4tSc8y0 Filmed from the audience and sitting in a closet all these years - an extremely rare document: "Dream Syndicate performing That's What You Always Say on the Out of the Grey Tour, 1986 or 1987. A ferocious, string-shredding version of the song. Shot on film in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Shot by Danny Plotnick & Dana Mendelssohn. Edited by Danny Plotnick." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:34:29 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners > I don't dislike SETTING SONS, but something feels off with it to me--I read > earlier that it was a concept album having to do with three boyhood friends > who, meeting after years apart, discover the different ways in which they've > changed from one another (instead of a "chick flick" we have a "man album"?). Similar to Gentle Giant's concept album THREE FRIENDS? Not that I've listened to that one yet either, Andy "Far from mortal cares retreating, Sordid hopes and vain desires, Here, our willing footsteps meeting, Every heart to heaven aspires." - --Jane Taylor, from "Hymn" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:40:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners > Something I just read in a bio that seems so odd for such a luminary: as > much as Weller is respected, in 1990 he couldn't get a record deal in the UK--he > had alienated his original audience that much. > > I think I remember someone saying that Mr. Miller had the same problem > around the same time, so he was in good company. I never thought of Scott's problem as alienation-of-audience; rather, a problem of if-we-can't-find-him, we-just-assume-he-went-away-of-his-own-accord-and-concentrate-on-somebody-else. To trot out the old warhorses one more time, I think the general consensus onlist is that for Scott to have had a shot in the nineties, he would have done much wiser to a) keep the Game Theory name, and b) sign with *any* label *other* than Alias. And yes, that includes Your Granny On Bongos Vinyl Only Emporium (Very) Ltd., Andy "Look when the clouds are blowing And all the winds are free: In fury of their going They fall upon the sea. But though the blast is frantic, And though the tempest raves, The deep immense Atlantic Is still beneath the waves." - --Frederick William Henry Myers, from "Wind, Moon and Tides" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:18:30 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners In a message dated 8/17/08 4:45:00 PM, andrew.hamlin@gmail.com writes: > ...and b) > sign with *any* label *other* than Alias. > In Alias' defense, their publicist at the time was Brett Milano, and it's hard to imagine that any other label could have offered one that was so honestly enthused about a Scott Miller project. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:23:34 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners In a message dated 8/17/2008 3:45:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andrew.hamlin@gmail.com writes: I never thought of Scott's problem as alienation-of-audience; rather, a problem of if-we-can't-find-him, we-just-assume-he-went-away-of-his-own-accord-and-concentrate-on-somebody-else . **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:32:10 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners In a message dated 8/17/2008 3:45:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andrew.hamlin@gmail.com writes: I never thought of Scott's problem as alienation-of-audience; rather, a problem of if-we-can't-find-him, we-just-assume-he-went-away-of-his-own-accord-and-concentrate-on-somebody-else . Sorry about this quote going to the list with no response--accident. I didn't make myself clear here--it's not alienation-of-audience--quite the opposite--GT had the biggest audience they ever had with 2 STEPS--what I mean is that I heard he couldn't get a record contract before signing with Alias, so it wasn't like he didn't try to go with someone else. All I mean is that he was without a label like Weller was, that's all. - --Mark np Vampire Weekend s/t **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:34:14 -0400 From: John Swartzentruber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners On 8/17/2008 6:18 PM JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/08 4:45:00 PM, andrew.hamlin@gmail.com writes: > > >> ...and b) >> sign with *any* label *other* than Alias. >> >> > In Alias' defense, their publicist at the time was Brett Milano, and it's > hard to imagine that any other label could have offered one that was so honestly > enthused about a Scott Miller project. > Without Brett (specifically his Stereo Review reviews) I imagine a few of us would never have heard of Scott to this day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:52:23 -0500 From: Tom Galczynski Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Jam for Beginners The ONLY reason I am a Scott Miller/Loud Family/Game Theory fan is because I read an interview with Aimee Mann and she said when she writes a song she thinks "Would Scott Miller think this is a good song". So I went out and bought PABARAT and then everything else in short order. I have always contended it is the record label's job to sell the artist and it pains me when Scott writes otherwise, that somehow HE is to blame (or rather his songwriting sensibilities) for not being more well known. Tom Galczynski tgalczynski@comcast.net - --------------------------------------- Call on God, but row away from the rocks. -- Indian proverb John Swartzentruber wrote: > On 8/17/2008 6:18 PM JRT456@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 8/17/08 4:45:00 PM, andrew.hamlin@gmail.com writes: >> >> >>> ...and b) >>> sign with *any* label *other* than Alias. >>> >>> >> In Alias' defense, their publicist at the time was Brett Milano, and >> it's hard to imagine that any other label could have offered one that >> was so honestly enthused about a Scott Miller project. >> > Without Brett (specifically his Stereo Review reviews) I imagine a few > of us would never have heard of Scott to this day. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #480 *******************************