From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #451 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, July 19 2008 Volume 07 : Number 451 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Joy Division ["Michael Bowen" ] Re: [loud-fans] Joy Division [Markwstaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] New Order [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Scott's new song is available! [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] New Order ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] New Order ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott's new song is available! ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Re: Pronounced "Mar-ee-ay" ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] New Order [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Scott's new song is available! [Markwstaples@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:10:37 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Joy Division On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Dave Walker wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:44 PM, "Andrew Hamlin" > wrote: > >> >> Regarding "Temptation," I've felt for a long time that the first >> studio version gave us a great song struggling to escape a horrible >> recording. They fixed everything that needed fixing for the SUBSTANCE >> version. >> >> Except that, oddly enough, I prefer the original verse order... > > Really? I *greatly* prefer the original version, ragged vocals, > oversaturated drum track, muffed notes and all. > > -d.w. I completely agree with Dave. I was *so* happy when I finally found the CD of the 1981-1982 EP that had the original version on it. To me, it's the contrast between the ragged, half-desperate vocals and the shiny synthesized backing track (or what passed for shiny in 1981) that gives the song its impact. MB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:18:54 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Joy Division In a message dated 7/18/2008 7:13:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bowenm@gmail.com writes: (or what passed for shiny in 1981) Martha Quinn's hair! When I was a very small boy, very small boys talked to me, - --Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:25:33 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] New Order In a message dated 7/18/2008 7:13:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bowenm@gmail.com writes: (or what passed for shiny in 1981) Martha Quinn's hair! Please don't think it petty of me to make this comment--it's all in fun. In 1981, my hair was smartly parted down the middle and feathered on the sides. I didn't get a clue 'til '82, when I discovered my dad's '60s clothes stashed away and I got a crew cut. I'm sure she has a sense of humor--after all, she married Bobby Brady. Which brings me to my question. Which album by New Order is your favorite? Mine is LOW LIFE. Not only did it catch the teen angst and alienation of Molly Ringwald ("Elegia") in PRETTY IN PINK in my favorite scene, it had amazing cover art. I have the Factory CD of it, and the pics of the band inside are cards that can be shuffled, contained in a translucent plastic sleeve with the band's name in black and grey letters printed in the plastic with the word "Order" in grey appearing above "new" in black. Very, very, very cool (if cool is still an acceptable word at age 40). It still is. Peter Saville caught the '80s with this cover for me (along with the eerie photos of Trevor Key)--and I haven't really even talked about the music! It is, to me, quite simply, a perfect mix of traditional rock and electronic dance/synth sounds--just the right balance. You can whistle the songs, or shake your booty, whatever you want to do. It has up songs and down songs, capturing the moodiness of being young. Sumner's voice sounds much better on this one compared to POWER CORRUPTION & LIES--he seems more comfortable in a singer's role--better chops from doing it for a while, I guess! (btw, I have the Factory CD of that one as well, and it came with a really cool faux sleeve that looked like an old-timey floppy). I think LL is their finest hour. M "Warning: Contains full puppet nudity" (from the billboard for AVENUE Q playing in my town right now--and nobody burst a blood vessel--we've come a long way) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott's new song is available! Thanks for this, 125 Records! I like Scott's version - sorta stripped down and straight ahead (except for the unique backing vocals that I want to listen to on the headphones - not too sure what's going there!) Was this a totally self-made tune or did he have any other musicians on this? Gil - --- "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote: > The 125 Records site has a new Scott song available: > Scott has recorded a cover of Chris Stamey's "Cara > Lee," and we're going > to make it available here as a free MP3 download. > But there's a catch. > First, a project at DonorsChoose.org needs to be > fulfilled. This is > your chance to help kids, and once we've raised the > money, everyone gets > to hear the song! Thanks so much to Scott for doing > this! > > Well, some generous soul at Emma Email Marketing > donated enough to put us > over the top, so thanks, Emma! You know what that > means? The song is > available and you can download it right this > instant. > > http://www.125records.com/news.html > > Joe Mallon > jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:31:53 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Order On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:25 PM, wrote: > Please don't think it petty of me to make this comment--it's all in fun. Yeah... that really disturbed and offended me. I'm going to have to send it to Martha. > In 1981, my hair was smartly parted down the middle and feathered > on the sides. We're going to need some pictures, Farrah. > Which album by New Order is your favorite? Probably LOW-LIFE also, though BROTHERHOOD is a very close second. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:28:22 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Order >> Which album by New Order is your favorite? > > Probably LOW-LIFE also, though BROTHERHOOD is a very close second. > I always thought of New order as a great singles band. Their albums didn't always gel for me. Great individual pieces, but not necessarily with the sweep that I like in my albums. That said, the opening licks of "Paradise" on BROTHERHOOD take me directly to my college dorm room in 1986 and everything that was good about that year, so I'd have to say that that album is my favorite. I'd also argue that LOW LIFE is a better album - I just don't associate as many memories with it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Order On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Roger Winston wrote: >> Which album by New Order is your favorite? > > Probably LOW-LIFE also, though BROTHERHOOD is a very close second. Power, Corruption & Lies - no doubt. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott's new song is available! On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gil Ray wrote: > Thanks for this, 125 Records! I like Scott's version - > sorta stripped down and straight ahead (except for the > unique backing vocals that I want to listen to on the > headphones - not too sure what's going there!) Thanks also to the great folks who donated to DonorsChoose.org. The project that was funded will allow a teacher to buy flash drives for her students so they don't lose work on old, not-so-good computers. > Was this a totally self-made tune or did he have any > other musicians on this? All the hand of Scott. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:17:26 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Order > Power, Corruption & Lies - no doubt. Yeah, POWER, along with the "Blue Monday" 12-inch, arrived amongst the first shipments of swag I ever received. For a budding rock critic, that's gonna make memories! Anybody besides Doug and me remember Velocity Girl's cover of "Your Silent Face"? http://youtube.com/watch?v=_QEQC4eCvyU This song ain't big enough for more than one "ica," Andy "Being so caught up, So mastered by the brute blood of the air, Did she put on his knowledge with his power Before the indifferent beak could let her drop?" - --William Butler Yeats, from "Leda and the Swan" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:46:48 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Pronounced "Mar-ee-ay" Sorry for replying to my own post here, but I've given Marie Digby's UNFOLD several spins now and I pronounce it even better than I thought it would be from the songs from it I started out with. Recommended for anybody into squeaky-clean, catchy pop (which should be everyone here, but one never knows, do one...). That site once again: http://www.marie-digby.org/ I've also discovered (also courtesy the Seattle Public Library) an amazing acoustic guitarist named James Blackshaw, who may well manifest the Generation Z reincarnation of John Fahey: http://www.myspace.com/jamesblackshaw ...two movies to add to my 2008 best-of list: Harmony Korine's MISTER LONELY, and Yamada Yoji's LOVE & HONOR. Dan, your thoughts on those? And Lindsey Buckingham's got a new one on the way (not sure why the ads went into the paper this far out, though...) Andy "...I'll admit in front that I have a special affinity for things that don't quite fit into any given demarcated category, partly because I'm one of those perennial misfits myself by choice as well as fate or whatever. By profession, I am categorized as a rock critic. I'll accept that, especially since the whole notion that someone has a 'career' instead of just doing whatever you feel like doing at any given time has always amused me when it didn't make me wanna vomit. O.K., I'm a rock critic. I also write and record music. I write poetry, fiction, straight journalism, unstraight journalism, beatnik drivel, mortifying love letters, death threats to white jazz critics signed 'The Mau Maus of East Harlem', and once a year my own obituary (latest entry: 'He was promising...'). The point is that I have no idea what kind of a writer I am, except that I do know that I'm good and lots of people read whatever it is I do, and I like it that way." (Lester Bangs, "An Instant Fan's Inspired Notes: You Gotta Listen", 1980) - --from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_bangs Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:51:27 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott's new song is available! I don't have any deep insights at the moment, but this is a wonderful track. I could listen to a whole CD of this guy. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Gil Ray wrote: > > Thanks for this, 125 Records! I like Scott's version - >> sorta stripped down and straight ahead (except for the >> unique backing vocals that I want to listen to on the >> headphones - not too sure what's going there!) >> > > Thanks also to the great folks who donated to DonorsChoose.org. The > project that was funded will allow a teacher to buy flash drives for her > students so they don't lose work on old, not-so-good computers. > > Was this a totally self-made tune or did he have any >> other musicians on this? >> > > All the hand of Scott. > > > Joe Mallon > jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:22:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Pronounced "Mar-ee-ay" > ...two movies to add to my 2008 best-of list: Harmony Korine's MISTER > LONELY, and Yamada Yoji's LOVE & HONOR. Dan, your thoughts on those? Haven't seen 'em - sorry. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:14:09 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Order - ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Kevin Doyle" > I always thought of New order as a great singles band. Their albums > didn't always gel for me. Great individual pieces, but not > necessarily with the sweep that I like in my albums. I tend to agree with that, so actually SUBSTANCE is probably what gets pulled off the shelf most often. (Plus, many of their best songs were single-only, so there you go.) Otherwise, I'd say POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES, with LOW LIFE a close second. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:50:26 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Order In a message dated 7/18/2008 7:21:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, andrew.hamlin@gmail.com writes: Anybody besides Doug and me remember Velocity Girl's cover of "Your Silent Face"? Faintly, but I was always more impressed that they were a band with health insurance for the individual members. M **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:48:20 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott's new song is available! In a message dated 7/18/2008 7:04:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: The project that was funded will allow a teacher to buy flash drives for her students so they don't lose work on old, not-so-good computers. That's great. Not all school districts have the money to buy new computers every couple of years. They're lucky now to be able to put gas in the buses. My own elementary school has some Dells that have racked up some major clock hours over the past few years, and one bit the dust one morning when I was the teacher running the early morning computer lab. It just made this strange noise (scaring the student using it) and then you could smell that electrical burning smell and that was that--I unplugged it and it was officially pronounced dead later that day by a district repairman. We had a problem also this past year several times with losing work--both teacher and student, on the computers and the school's common drive. Thanks for bringing this up and to my mind--I'll talk to my principal about requesting some of these from the PTA, who are really strong (and monied) at my school. M **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #451 *******************************