From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #443 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, July 11 2008 Volume 07 : Number 443 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Game Theory improv comedy [robert toren ] [loud-fans] R.E.M. at The Hollywood Bowl a couple months back [Markwstapl] [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott ["Tom Marcinko" ] Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. at The Hollywood Bowl a couple months back [Tiger ] Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott ["Tom Marcinko" ] Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott ["Matthew Weber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott [Tim Walters ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: robert toren Subject: [loud-fans] Game Theory improv comedy >> GT recording the "Inverness" demo. I just watched it 5 times. >> It's great how you ended it with Gil going to "pick up some beats." >> - --Mark I think Gil says "Take out some beats." - I cut it there so you don't hear the rest of us giggle like schoolgirls - "He said Beats! Hee hee hee!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:37:41 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rise of the Chokehold Princess In a message dated 7/9/2008 10:59:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sgtcockring@gmail.com writes: Please! Stop with the bullying already! It's only bullying if Toby Keith were on-list. Some may call it libel, which I guess it is if you think being called gay is a defamation of character. Wait a minute. I've solved the mystery. TOBY KEITH IS SGT. COCKRING???!!! I'm only trying to help you, Toby. Don't hate me for trying to out you. Come out and be free, cowboy. You may want to stick your boot in my ass for this--I've heard your song "Angry American." However, do not respond to my act of kindness with hate. Besides, they'll be no touching me anywhere near my hind parts 'til you buy me dinner first. M **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:45:37 -0400 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] show of hands? who else thinks that Mark and Sarge should just GET A ROOM ALREADY? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:57:47 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] show of hands? On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:45 AM, outbound-only email address wrote: > who else thinks that Mark and Sarge should just GET A ROOM ALREADY? I think I said that a few days ago... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:27:41 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] R.E.M. at The Hollywood Bowl a couple months back I had asked my brother if Johnny Marr had played with the band on "Fall on Me" in L.A., and he kind of gave me a brief critique of the show, which I thought would be of interest. My brother was a trumpet player in a jazz band, so I take his criticisms with some validity. M Fall on me was just R.E.M. It was awesome. Marr, of course played with Modest Mouse, but not with R.E.M. The National didn't impress me. Modest Mouse started out a little off, and finally got the crowd into it when they played Dashboard. But once R.E.M. came out, it was obvious who the most talented group was. The Bowl is a BIG place. Modest Mouse sounded a little lost in such a big place. R.E.M. just flat rocked the place. It was almost surreal, and very electrifying. I keep playing Accelerate over and over in my car, and it brings me right back, like I was there again. Wow! **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:53:35 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott How could I forget this one: Motion of Ariel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:23:59 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott I wonder if Scott would go for orchestral interpretations of his work. His work is quite complex, and I think an orchestra could do it justice. I25 would release it, wouldn't they? He has the rights to his material, right? It's just some of the sound recordings that aren't his? We as his fans ought to try and make this a reality. Gil? Anyone know of willing string players? His music I think would transfer well into a classical type form (except for maybe "T.G.A.R.T.G." and "Marcia and Etrusca.") I think it would be a damned good finished product. M **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tiger Reel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. at The Hollywood Bowl a couple months back I attended the same show and although I disagree with your brother on The National, i thought they were far better than Modest Mouse.....(although they were saddled with being the act that had to play in direct sunlight even though their music better fits a darkened room) and were a better match for the R.E.M. vibe than MM, he is right on R.E.M. they were just terrific.....one caveat is that their volume was pretty low for the first 3-4 songs.....so much so that the audience around me started chanting "TURN IT UP!" between songs. the Bowl is kind of a notorious space to fill, but even so, the volume was entirely too quiet. once that was fixed the show was impeccable. i hadn't seen them since the Life's Rich Pageant tour in Houston and was pretty much won over by them all over again almost 20 years later. all of the Accelerate songs sounded great live particularly Hollow Man. they even played an entirely respectable rendition of Sitting Still. i had seen The Police and Elvis Costello at the bowl two days prior to the R.E.M.. if it wasn't for my beer gut, i'd swear it was 1983 all over again. - --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Markwstaples@aol.com wrote: From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] R.E.M. at The Hollywood Bowl a couple months back To: loud-fans@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 9:27 AM I had asked my brother if Johnny Marr had played with the band on "Fall on Me" in L.A., and he kind of gave me a brief critique of the show, which I thought would be of interest. My brother was a trumpet player in a jazz band, so I take his criticisms with some validity. M Fall on me was just R.E.M. It was awesome. Marr, of course played with Modest Mouse, but not with R.E.M. The National didn't impress me. Modest Mouse started out a little off, and finally got the crowd into it when they played Dashboard. But once R.E.M. came out, it was obvious who the most talented group was. The Bowl is a BIG place. Modest Mouse sounded a little lost in such a big place. R.E.M. just flat rocked the place. It was almost surreal, and very electrifying. I keep playing Accelerate over and over in my car, and it brings me right back, like I was there again. Wow! **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:56:36 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott I would buy several copies of such a compact disc. On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > I wonder if Scott would go for orchestral interpretations of his work. > His > work is quite complex, and I think an orchestra could do it justice. I25 > would release it, wouldn't they? He has the rights to his material, > right? > It's just some of the sound recordings that aren't his? We as his fans > ought to > try and make this a reality. Gil? Anyone know of willing string players? > > His music I think would transfer well into a classical type form (except > for > maybe "T.G.A.R.T.G." and "Marcia and Etrusca.") > > I think it would be a damned good finished product. > > M > > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live > music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:22:04 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott In a message dated 7/10/2008 3:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tmarcinko@gmail.com writes: I would buy several copies of such a compact disc. Hell, I'd buy a dozen and give them out as Christmas and birthday gifts. I'd play one in class while the kids were doing written classwork as an environmental enhancer. It really wouldn't have to be large scale. All you'd really need is say, three willing and able string players and Pro Tools at one site recording location. There was a Belle and Sebastian one done I think a year or two back, and one of Morrissey also. - --Mark **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Markwstaples@aol.com wrote: > It really wouldn't have to be large scale. All you'd really need is say, > three willing and able string players and Pro Tools at one site recording > location. There was a Belle and Sebastian one done I think a year or two back, > and one of Morrissey also. This was the concept behind the Aimee Mann-financed project that has yet ot see the light of day. 125 Records does not have the resources to support such a project. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:38:57 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott > This was the concept behind the Aimee Mann-financed project that has yet ot > see the light of day. 125 Records does not have the resources to support > such a project. Really? I'm still loving the hell out of the Jill Tracy record (review coming soon), and that was cut using nine players on sixteen or so instruments. Hadn't heard a bassoon in "pop" since Gryphon, Andy "Untidy is perhaps too mild a word; slut would be a better one. Being a slut is of course partly a matter of bad luck as well as bad management: things just do boil over oftener, fuses blow sooner, front doors bang leaving us outside in our dressing-gowns; but it goes deeper than bad luck. We are not actually incapable of cleaning our homes: but we are liable to reorganize instead of scrub; we do our cleaning in a series of periodic assaults. A mother-in- law has only to appear over the horizon and we act like the murderer in a Ray Bradbury story who kept on wiping the finger prints off the fruit at the bottom of the bowl. We work in a frenzy; but ... the frenzy usually subsides before we have got everything back into the cupboards again." - --Katharine Whitehorn from "Nought for Homework," Roundabout (1962). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:37:16 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Really? I'm still loving the hell out of the Jill Tracy record > (review coming soon), and that was cut using nine players on sixteen > or so instruments. Yeah... I'm guessing the record label didn't finance the sessions on that... Orchestral Scott? What about The Happening's (LoudFan Michelle Woodward and friends) recording of "Come Home With Me" on the Scott Miller Tribute? Not quite symphonic, but it is just vocals, piano, and violin. And I believe it was recorded in a church. Very pretty. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:48:18 -0700 From: "Matthew Weber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > I wonder if Scott would go for orchestral interpretations of his work. > His > work is quite complex, and I think an orchestra could do it justice. I25 > would release it, wouldn't they? He has the rights to his material, > right? > It's just some of the sound recordings that aren't his? We as his fans > ought to > try and make this a reality. Gil? Anyone know of willing string players? > > His music I think would transfer well into a classical type form (except > for > maybe "T.G.A.R.T.G." and "Marcia and Etrusca.") > > I think it would be a damned good finished product. > > M > I guess I'll have to be the sole loud-fan (so far) to disagree. I've heard several of the "Symphonic Sounds of..." releases, and they've been almost categorically dreadful. Bombastic orchestrations and indifferent playing. Blech! Scott's songs are subtle and deserve better treatment than a Jaz Coleman arrangement. A chamber approach would, I think, suit them better; say, a Pierrot quintet. Or maybe Bang on a Can could be enticed. Either way, I can't see how a (quasi-) symphonic orchestration would serve them. - -- Matt + Wait for that wisest of all counselors, Time. Pericles (c. 495-429 B.C.) : From PLUTARCH, Lives, Pericles, sec. 18 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Roger Winston wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >> Really? I'm still loving the hell out of the Jill Tracy record >> (review coming soon), and that was cut using nine players on sixteen >> or so instruments. > > Yeah... I'm guessing the record label didn't finance the sessions on that... Actually, we did finance that. On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Matthew Weber wrote: > I guess I'll have to be the sole loud-fan (so far) to disagree. I've heard > several of the "Symphonic Sounds of..." releases, and they've been almost > categorically dreadful. Bombastic orchestrations and indifferent playing. > Blech! I agree - most "symphonic" cover albums just involve the "orchestra" playing the same arrangement, but with violins for guitars, etc. If Scott could rescore his songs for an quartet, that might be interesting. Where's John Paul Jones when you need him? Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:27:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: treesprite@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott I kind of think the symphonic approach wouldn't really do much for Scott songs. I can imagine some would sound beautiful with string arrangements added, but his songs aren't so harmonically rich that it would translate into beautiful symphonic sound. It's kind of like that awful Metallica with the SF Symphony thing -- Metallica songs might have lots of nifty parts and rhythms, but they're pretty monochromatic harmonically and so it just sounds like bad movie soundtracks. Scott's pretty much a major/minor guy and I don't hear much that would go technicolor in that setting. B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:40:56 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott In a message dated 7/10/2008 9:09:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: If Scott could rescore his songs for an quartet, that might be interesting. That's what I originally envisioned, but said a trio to cut it to absolute minimum. Oh well, I wish it was possible. If I came into some money, I'd finance it. Just as long as it didn't turn into my mom's HOOKED ON CLASSICS album (which she ordered off ebay from a guy in England to replace her original one--now *that's* "vinyl devotion"), I'm game. Speaking of said parent, Mom asked to borrow my copy of The B-52's STROBE LIGHT (UK bootleg I've had for over 20 years of them live at The Rat in Boston, '79) today. She wanted to listen to it. Go Mom! - --Mark "Did those clowns tip you?" (What I said to my waitress at dinner tonight, who was waiting on two guys dressed as clowns the next table over) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott - --- Roger Winston wrote: > Orchestral Scott? What about The Happening's > (LoudFan Michelle > Woodward and friends) recording of "Come Home With > Me" on the Scott > Miller Tribute? Not quite symphonic, but it is just > vocals, piano, > and violin. And I believe it was recorded in a > church. Very pretty. Thanks for reminding me of this, Roger. What a flat out gorgeous performance. A little refinement in the arrangement and intonation (God...sorry to be critical!)and this would be amazing. It still is amazing! But the strength here is Michelle's vocal. Just stunning. Beyond stunning. I had the pleasure of meeting her in Atlanta (?), and I'm sure I made a fool of myself trying to describe how beautiful I thought that recording was. "would you come home....with me?" 20 years ago? You bet. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:23:32 -0700 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Symphonic Scott I arranged and recorded a chamber version (recorders & viols) of "Just Gone" for the list tribute album that never happened, several years ago. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough sense to transpose the song to a key that I had even a slight hope of singing it in, and so it didn't come out very well. But if you have a high pain threshold and promise not to use it as blackmail material, you can check it out: http://doubtfulpalace.com/temp/justgone.mp3 The arrangement at least passes Matt's test of not just being a transcription of the original. I eventually submitted a somewhat more presentable a cappella version of "Inverness": http://doubtfulpalace.com/artists/ShoutingDistance/inverness.mp3 - -- Tim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #443 *******************************