From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #434 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, July 2 2008 Volume 07 : Number 434 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] At the half ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] At the half ["Tom Marcinko" ] Re: [loud-fans] At the half ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] At the half [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] At the half ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Feelies [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Feelies [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] At the half [Tom Galczynski ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:52:31 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] At the half With six months of 2008's twelve gone, I proclaim my Top Ten Albums as thus, so far: 1 . Fish--13TH STAR 2. Scarlett Johansson--ANYWHERE I LAY MY HEAD 3. Bauhaus--GO AWAY WHITE 4. Cat Power--JUKEBOX 5. PWRFL POWER--PWRFL POWER 6. Dawn Clement--BREAK 7. Charles Lloyd Quartet--RABO DE NUBE 8. Kate Rusby--AWKWARD ANNIE 9. Shelby Lynne--JUST A LITTLE LOVIN' 10. Jill Tracy--THE BITTERSWEET CONSTRAIN (way to go Sue'n'Joe!) (and Jill!) Your picks? Anyone interested in explanations of mine, I can surely furnish'em. I haven't heard the new Neil Diamond yet, although pieces of it sound worthwhile... Filmwise, I'm not sure that I've seen ten worthy pictures yet this year, but the following I heartily recommend, in order: 1. FLIGHT OF THE RED BALLOON (Hou Hsiao-hsien, France) 2. FROWNLAND (Ronald Bronstein, USA) 3. NANKING (Bill Guttentag and Dan Sturman, USA) 4. FROZEN RIVER (Courtney Hunt, USA) 5. SONG SUNG BLUE (Greg Kohs, USA) 6. MIRAGEMAN (Ernesto Diaz Espinoza, Chile/USA) Again, your picks and views welcomed. Still waiting for that new Roxy Music, Andy [Kim] Triplett knew she couldn't lift the SUV alone. She tried waving down cars, which were still passing slowly in the lane between the victims, but nobody stopped. Some people said, "Sorry, I'm late for the airport," or told her they had to get to work as they drove by. People were callous, Triplett said. One car brushed her leg as it passed. "I was more of a nuisance to them than someone they wanted to stop and help," she said. She said she "felt very helpless"  something she wasn't used to feeling as a state trooper. "Finally, I decided to forcibly stop cars and ask people to get out and help me save this guy," she said. "I basically stood in front of the cars until somebody got out." Five men did. Four helped Triplett tilt the 2-ton SUV eight inches, and one pulled the man out through the window. - --from an article by Noelene Clark at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008026739_trooper01m.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:31:24 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] At the half Sam Phillips -- DON'T DO ANYTHING Aimee Mann -- CONFOUNDED SMILERS ...are in heavy rotation here, or would be, if anything actually rotated. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > With six months of 2008's twelve gone, I proclaim my Top Ten Albums as > thus, > so far: > > 1 . Fish--13TH STAR > 2. Scarlett Johansson--ANYWHERE I LAY MY HEAD > 3. Bauhaus--GO AWAY WHITE > 4. Cat Power--JUKEBOX > 5. PWRFL POWER--PWRFL POWER > 6. Dawn Clement--BREAK > 7. Charles Lloyd Quartet--RABO DE NUBE > 8. Kate Rusby--AWKWARD ANNIE > 9. Shelby Lynne--JUST A LITTLE LOVIN' > 10. Jill Tracy--THE BITTERSWEET CONSTRAIN (way to go Sue'n'Joe!) (and > Jill!) > > Your picks? Anyone interested in explanations of mine, I can surely > furnish'em. I haven't heard the new Neil Diamond yet, although pieces of > it > sound worthwhile... > > Filmwise, I'm not sure that I've seen ten worthy pictures yet this year, > but > the following I heartily recommend, in order: > > 1. FLIGHT OF THE RED BALLOON (Hou Hsiao-hsien, France) > 2. FROWNLAND (Ronald Bronstein, USA) > 3. NANKING (Bill Guttentag and Dan Sturman, USA) > 4. FROZEN RIVER (Courtney Hunt, USA) > 5. SONG SUNG BLUE (Greg Kohs, USA) > 6. MIRAGEMAN (Ernesto Diaz Espinoza, Chile/USA) > > Again, your picks and views welcomed. > > Still waiting for that new Roxy Music, > > Andy > > > [Kim] Triplett knew she couldn't lift the SUV alone. She tried waving down > cars, which were still passing slowly in the lane between the victims, but > nobody stopped. Some people said, "Sorry, I'm late for the airport," or > told > her they had to get to work as they drove by. > > People were callous, Triplett said. One car brushed her leg as it passed. > > "I was more of a nuisance to them than someone they wanted to stop and > help," she said. > > She said she "felt very helpless" something she wasn't used to feeling as > a state trooper. > > "Finally, I decided to forcibly stop cars and ask people to get out and > help > me save this guy," she said. "I basically stood in front of the cars until > somebody got out." > > Five men did. Four helped Triplett tilt the 2-ton SUV eight inches, and one > pulled the man out through the window. > --from an article by Noelene Clark at > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008026739_trooper01m.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:13:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] At the half On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Tom Marcinko wrote: > > Sam Phillips -- DON'T DO ANYTHING > Aimee Mann -- CONFOUNDED SMILERS > ...are in heavy rotation here, or would be, if anything actually rotated. Well, you could count your hard drive, and/or your computer fan! Not sure whether the iPod has rotating parts, Andy Lost Beatles tape airs on BBC radio By GREGORY KATZ, Associated Press Writer Tue Jul 1, 2:56 PM ET LONDON - A Beatles interview from the 1960s in which John Lennon and Paul McCartney discussed the way they composed songs together was broadcast on British radio Tuesday after it was found in a film can in a damp garage in south London. The Beatles were at the height of their immense popularity when the tape was recorded at Scottish Television studios on April 30, 1964. The band had recently toured America, winning huge audiences on the Ed Sullivan show and shooting to the top of the charts on both sides of the Atlantic. The interview was only broadcast in Scotland and sat in a film canister until it was discovered by film historian Richard Jeffs, who was astonished to find the familiar Liverpudlian accents of the Beatles on the tape. It was not immediately clear who owned the garage or why the film was there. The audio portion of the tape was found to be still usable for radio broadcast, allowing the British Broadcasting Corp. to showcase its interview 44 years after it was recorded. On the nine-minute tape, Lennon describes the fateful day in rock-and-roll history when he first encountered McCartney. Both were unknown teenagers at the time. "I was playing at a garden fete in the ... village where I lived just outside Liverpool, playing with a group, and he came along and we met," said Lennon, who was a member of a soon-to-be-forgotten skiffle band at the time. McCartney said they were introduced by a mutual friend called Ivan. Lennon and McCartney became fast friends  once they found out they had skills in common, and a shared taste for American stars like Fats Domino and Little Richard  and they soon joined up with teenage guitarist George Harrison to form the nucleus of what would become the Beatles. Drummer Ringo Starr would come much later, just before the group started its string of unforgettable No. 1 hits. On the tape, Lennon and McCartney  hailed by many as the finest British songwriters of the 20th century  discussed the haphazard way they composed together during the Beatles' early days, when they were under intense pressure to generate hits while keeping up a bone-crushing touring schedule. McCartney said that the two usually worked on songs together but that sometimes Lennon wrote songs completely on his own. "Normally we sit down and try and bash one out," said McCartney. "But then again, there's no formula, because he (Lennon) can come up with one one day completely finished. We still say we both wrote it, though." The two principal songwriters, who would later have a falling-out as the band was breaking up, sounded extremely relaxed and affectionate with each other. McCartney said they used whatever instrument was available when composing. "Well, you know, it depends," he said. "Sometimes we write them on old pianos, anything that's lying around." McCartney, who would later pen classics such as "Eleanor Rigby" and "Let It Be," told the interviewers that he and Lennon started off writing comical songs, including his first effort, the largely forgotten, "I Lost My Little Girl." While the Beatles eventually wearied of the pressures of live performances, when they couldn't hear their own songs because of the noise from the fans, McCartney said in 1964 that they adored the attention they received from their screaming, fainting female fans. "We love that," he said. "The atmosphere in the theaters. It's marvelous." The BBC posted a notice on its Web site indicating that the precious tape, and a number of others found at the same time, are now being kept in a temperature-controlled warehouse to protect them from the ravages of time. - --from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_en_ot/britain_beatles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:43:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] At the half > Filmwise, I'm not sure that I've seen ten worthy pictures yet this year, > but the following I heartily recommend, in order: > > 1. FLIGHT OF THE RED BALLOON (Hou Hsiao-hsien, France) > 2. FROWNLAND (Ronald Bronstein, USA) > 3. NANKING (Bill Guttentag and Dan Sturman, USA) > 4. FROZEN RIVER (Courtney Hunt, USA) > 5. SONG SUNG BLUE (Greg Kohs, USA) > 6. MIRAGEMAN (Ernesto Diaz Espinoza, Chile/USA) Of the 2008 NYC theatrical premieres I've seen, my favorites so far are: The Tracey Fragments (Bruce McDonald, Canada) The Last Mistress (Catherine Breillat, France) Still Life (Jia Zhang-Ke, China) Woman on the Beach (Hong Sang-soo, South Korea) Of the few 2008 films I've seen that haven't had theatrical runs yet, my favorite is definitely: Ballast (Lance Hammer, USA) I enjoyed the Hou film to an extent - it looked amazing, had many beautiful scenes - but it didn't wow me like some of his work. FROWNLAND I'm afraid gave me a hard time, as we've discussed off-board. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:36:33 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] At the half > Of the 2008 NYC theatrical premieres I've seen, my favorites so far are: > > The Tracey Fragments (Bruce McDonald, Canada) I'll try it again, but the gimmick seems rather loud... > > The Last Mistress (Catherine Breillat, France) Didn't get the point of this one. Could you articulate what's going on besides Ms. Argento's undeniable vamping and scamping? > > Still Life (Jia Zhang-Ke, China) > > Woman on the Beach (Hong Sang-soo, South Korea) > My rival reviewer at the "Northwest Asian Weekly" got to those before I could. He says ehh-okay on the first, yay on the second: http://nwasianweekly.com/2008270022/siff20082722.htm http://nwasianweekly.com/2008270023/film20082721.htm > > Of the few 2008 films I've seen that haven't had theatrical runs yet, my > favorite is definitely: > > Ballast (Lance Hammer, USA) > Damn, missed that one at the film festival. Hopefully it'll come back around. > > I enjoyed the Hou film to an extent - it looked amazing, had many beautiful > scenes - but it didn't wow me like some of his work. FROWNLAND I'm afraid > gave me a hard time, as we've discussed off-board. - Dan Yes, I'm sending along a reply to those notes. Your thoughts on NANKING, FROZEN RIVER, SONG SUNG BLUE, and MIRAGEMAN? I liked Julia Sweeney's LETTING GO OF GOD as well, less for her increasingly-predictable voicings than for its message: http://www.seattlesoundmag.com/2008/06/god-not-and-woman-at-the-film-festival/ And of course I'm waiting to see Yamada Yoji's LOVE & HONOR, Andy "A lovely thing to see: through the paper window's hole, the Galaxy." - --Issa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:59:04 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Feelies NY Times article on them today. Big news, I'm very happy about this. Never thought this would happen. Reborn for the Fourth of July Rob Bennett for The New York Times; Photo illustration by The New York Times Remeet the Feelies: From left, Dave Weckerman, Brenda Sauter, Stan Demeski, Glenn Mercer and Bill Million. By _JON PARELES_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/jon_pareles/ind ex.html?inline=nyt-per) Published: July 1, 2008 HALEDON, N.J. b Back when punk and new wave were new, the Feelies might well have been the band with the oddest calendar: they became known for playing on holidays. They might have appeared on the Fourth of July or Flag Day or Valentinebs Day. Or not, since they also went for months or years between shows. When they did perform, they pushed the rock bnb roll basics b two or three chords, an unswerving beat b toward the ecstatic. They defined those few chords with intricately interlocking parts, bearing down on them to turn repetition into a frenetic rave-up. bOur manager used to wonder if we were going to explode onstage,b said Bill Million, one of this New Jersey bandbs two founding guitarists, singers and producers, along with Glenn Mercer. The Feelies have taken nearly 17 years to resurface for two sold-out shows on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at Maxwellbs, in Hoboken, followed by a concert opening for _Sonic Youth_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/sonic_yo uth/index.html?inline=nyt-org) in Battery Park on Friday, for which the free tickets disappeared in minutes online. The band lineup is the one that gelled in 1983 and made the last three of the four Feelies albums. It has Mr. Mercer, 53, and Mr. Million, 54, on guitars; Brenda Sauter, 49, on bass; and Dave Weckerman, 58, and Stan Demeski, 47, on drums and percussion. Mr. Mercer and Mr. Million have resumed their songwriting collaboration, and the sets will include some new material. The Feelies were a vivid apparition between 1977, when they played their debut show at a high school here, and 1991, when they released their fourth album, bTime for a Witness,b and played a final Fourth of July show at Maxwellb s. Then they disappeared. Mr. Million suddenly moved to Florida without leaving a forwarding address and gave up guitar, and the band was no more. When the Feelies emerged b in the 1970s heyday of CBGB, Maxbs Kansas City and the Mudd Club b punk and art rock around New York were awash in Minimalist drones and patterns and a primitivist return to the basics. The early Feelies made no secret of their admiration for the Stooges and the _Velvet Underground_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/v/velvet_u nderground/index.html?inline=nyt-org) . (Later they would tour with _Lou Reed_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/lou_reed/index. html?inline=nyt-per) .) But where other bands were pouring on distortion and noise, the Feelies made their impact through precision. At early rehearsals they decided that a cymbal crash obscured a realm of high frequencies they wanted to explore, so they replaced cymbals with more clearly delineated layers of guitars and percussion. bOur sound is defined by what we left out and didnbt play, as much as by what we did,b said Mr. Mercer in an interview at his basement studio here, where the band has been rehearsing. He looks studious behind large, horn-rimmed glasses, and measures his words. bI think in a loose way the idea of keeping it minimal goes beyond just the music. Itbs my whole approach to everything. Don bt say too much whenever possible. Webre just trying to get the most impact out of the least amount.b That impact has been especially strong on musicians. The Feeliesb guitar interplay and unassuming vocals now echo through collegiate and indie rock, both directly and via acknowledged fans like _R.E.M._ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/rem/inde x.html?inline=nyt-org) and Sonic Youth. They have also attracted film directors. _Jonathan Demme_ (http://movies.nytimes.com/person/87470/Jonathan-Demme?inline=nyt-per) had the band perform in a high school prom scene in bSomething Wild,b and _Susan Seidelman_ (http://movies.nytimes.com/person/110695/Susan-Seidelman?inline=nyt-per) commissioned Mr. Mercer and Mr. Million to write the score for bSmithereens.b The Sonic Youth guitarist Thurston Moore recalled seeing the Feelies at the Mudd Club in the late b70s. bThey came out and proceeded to just mow the place down with their guitar playing,b he said. bAnd these guys were buttoned-up-collars nerd boys from the bburbs. They were totally straight from the backyard cookout. So it was cool to be not cool.b When Sonic Youth was asked to choose an opening act for its Fourth of July show this Friday in Battery Park, the date made Mr. Moore think about the Feelies. bI had this fond memory of the Feelies always playing on American holidays,b Mr. Moore said. bI thought, bWhy donbt we get the Feelies? Do they exist?b b That was a complicated question. Mr. Mercer, who had been playing in other groups with Feelies members, said he and Mr. Million had been talking for years about reconvening the band. bItbs not like we got mad at each other and said, bWe broke up,b b Mr. Million said in a telephone interview. bWe just stopped playing, as we had done periodically since we got together.b Mr. Million said he bsimply lost interestb in the music while the band was doing its 1991 shows. bI would be looking down at the set list and thinking, b Only a few songs to go.b So I really had to stop because it didnbt mean the same thing.b When he abruptly moved to Florida, he worked on security for Disney World, doing computer programming for access systems. But when one of his sons started playing guitar, Mr. Million was drawn back to the instrument. bIt sounds odd to me to even call this a reunion,b he said. bItbs just that webve gotten together after a long break.b Mr. Mercer said he had earned more lately from Feelies royalties than he had when the band was active. One Feelies song, bLetbs Go,b turned up in a Volvo commercial. bWebve had offers to play, webve had a lot of interest in the band,b Mr. Mercer said. bAnd webve had a lot of offers recently for licensing of songs. So it just seemed like people were interested in having us back.b His studio, where the band worked on its 1988 album, bOnly Life,b as well as on bTime for a Witness,b is a small, tidy room, barely large enough to swing a guitar, with photographs of a rock pantheon b _Elvis Presley_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/elvis_presley/i ndex.html?in line=nyt-per) , _Chuck Berry_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/chuck_berry/ind ex.html?inline=nyt-per) , _Bob Marley_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/bob_marley/inde x.html?in line=nyt-per) , _John Lennon_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/john_lennon/ind ex.html?inline=nyt-per) and an autographed _Little Richard_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/little_richard/ index.html?inline=nyt-per) (bTo Glenn, God loves youb) b on the walls. bWebve always been a basement band,b Mr. Million said. bWe started out in my basement and eventually moved into Glennbs basement, and webre still in the same basement.b The Feeliesb recording career was commercially modest. Its studio recordings reveal the blueprints of the songs, but only rarely do they hint at the guitar maelstroms the Feelies could create onstage. An early lineup b Mr. Mercer and Mr. Million, with Anton Fier on drums and Keith DeNunzio (a k a Keith Clayton) on bass b made the Feeliesb dizzying 1980 debut album, bCrazy Rhythmsb (Stiff/reissued on A&M), and soon broke up, generating the first of many intertwined Feelies spinoff bands: the Trypes, the Willies and Yung Wu. The Feeliesb more stable lineup arrived with bThe Good Earthb (Coyote/Twin Tone), which was released in 1986; produced by Peter Buck of R.E.M., it moved the band toward thoughtful folk-rock. Then came the bandbs major-label stint: two albums, bOnly Lifeb in 1988, and the darker, more psychedelia-tinged bTime for a Witness,b for A&M. Its albums have slipped out of print, though the Feelies own the rights to bCrazy Rhythmsb and bThe Good Earthb and are negotiating to have them reissued. The Feeliesb re-emergence is determinedly low-key. Members with day jobs are keeping them. The band has no manager, no recording contract and no tour dates planned beyond Independence Day, though that is likely to change. They have learned three dozen songs and are writing more, with the goal of recording again. bWe were never very proactive,b Mr. Mercer said. bThings would present themselves to us, and we would either go with it or not.b Behind his glasses he ventured a half-smile. bTherebs no game plan,b he said. bWe donbt want to jump in too far into the deep end. Just to wade toward it.b **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:06:15 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Feelies I hope people don't have a hard time reading this article. I didn't realize it would appear with so much gibberish. email me offlist and I'll send a better copy. Andrea **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:01:42 -0500 From: Tom Galczynski Subject: Re: [loud-fans] At the half Um...my picks are going to seem hopelessly mainstream compared to the picks I've seen so far, but here goes: Top 10 Albums: Coldplay -- VIVA LA VIDA OR DEATH AND ALL HIS FRIENDS The Delays -- EVERYTHING'S THE RUSH Elvis Costello -- MOMOFUKU Ladytron -- VELOCIFERO Mates of State -- RE-ARRANGE US REM -- ACCELERATE Sloan -- PARALLEL PLAY Submarines -- HONEYSUCKLE WEEKS Vampire Weekend -- VAMPIRE WEEKEND Raveonettes -- LUST LUST LUST The Only Movies I've Seen In a Theatre so far in 2008: Speed Racer WALL-E Tom Galczynski tgalczynski@comcast.net - --------------------------------------- Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right. -- Laurens Van der Post Andrew Hamlin wrote: > With six months of 2008's twelve gone, I proclaim my Top Ten Albums as thus, > so far: > > 1 . Fish--13TH STAR > 2. Scarlett Johansson--ANYWHERE I LAY MY HEAD > 3. Bauhaus--GO AWAY WHITE > 4. Cat Power--JUKEBOX > 5. PWRFL POWER--PWRFL POWER > 6. Dawn Clement--BREAK > 7. Charles Lloyd Quartet--RABO DE NUBE > 8. Kate Rusby--AWKWARD ANNIE > 9. Shelby Lynne--JUST A LITTLE LOVIN' > 10. Jill Tracy--THE BITTERSWEET CONSTRAIN (way to go Sue'n'Joe!) (and > Jill!) > > Your picks? Anyone interested in explanations of mine, I can surely > furnish'em. I haven't heard the new Neil Diamond yet, although pieces of it > sound worthwhile... > > Filmwise, I'm not sure that I've seen ten worthy pictures yet this year, but > the following I heartily recommend, in order: > > 1. FLIGHT OF THE RED BALLOON (Hou Hsiao-hsien, France) > 2. FROWNLAND (Ronald Bronstein, USA) > 3. NANKING (Bill Guttentag and Dan Sturman, USA) > 4. FROZEN RIVER (Courtney Hunt, USA) > 5. SONG SUNG BLUE (Greg Kohs, USA) > 6. MIRAGEMAN (Ernesto Diaz Espinoza, Chile/USA) > > Again, your picks and views welcomed. > > Still waiting for that new Roxy Music, > > Andy > > > [Kim] Triplett knew she couldn't lift the SUV alone. She tried waving down > cars, which were still passing slowly in the lane between the victims, but > nobody stopped. Some people said, "Sorry, I'm late for the airport," or told > her they had to get to work as they drove by. > > People were callous, Triplett said. One car brushed her leg as it passed. > > "I was more of a nuisance to them than someone they wanted to stop and > help," she said. > > She said she "felt very helpless"  something she wasn't used to feeling as > a state trooper. > > "Finally, I decided to forcibly stop cars and ask people to get out and help > me save this guy," she said. "I basically stood in front of the cars until > somebody got out." > > Five men did. Four helped Triplett tilt the 2-ton SUV eight inches, and one > pulled the man out through the window. > --from an article by Noelene Clark at > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008026739_trooper01m.html ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #434 *******************************