From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #428 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, June 25 2008 Volume 07 : Number 428 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] 1973 [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] 1973 [Paul King ] Re: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Tom Marcinko" ] Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 [Mike Curley ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Dave Walker" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Michael Bowen" ] [loud-fans] Fwd: Scott Miller on tomorrow's WII [Markwstaples@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] 1973 ["rslloyd" ] [loud-fans] What It Is (the other WII) [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] What It Is (the other WII) ["Tom Marcinko" ] [loud-fans] CD archiving question [Aaron Mandible ] Re: [loud-fans] CD archiving question [PunkRok ] Re: [loud-fans] CD archiving question ["Roger Winston" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Tim Walters" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Michael Bowen" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Michael Bowen" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Weirdest Cover Version Ever? ["Michael Bowen" ] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] What It Is (the other WII) [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:23:14 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1973 It is not just a fan's bias--it's impressive what a great writer Scott is. Mark "I came out here to get some shock therapy, but there was an energy crisis." (Woody Allen, "Annie Hall") **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:49:00 -0400 From: Paul King Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1973 On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 21:24 -0700, Gil Ray wrote: > Damn, I'm loving these! > > http://www.125records.com/loudfamily/mwh/1973.html > > Gil It was an interesting read. I was kind of curious as to what Scott thought of that year. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:45:23 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1973 1977, anybody? On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Gil Ray wrote: > Damn, I'm loving these! > > http://www.125records.com/loudfamily/mwh/1973.html > > Gil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Curley Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 I'm glad to see Scott's opinions on the songs from 1973. A couple of years ago, I was making iPod playlists based on the years the songs were released (I know...I know), and I noticed that I didn't have many good choices from the early 70's. I seem to remember even sending a note to the list about the lack of good music from 1974. Well, that started me searching, and now I'm really into that period. Scott made some interesting choices, especially "Sweet Lady Genevieve," probably my favorite song from the Kinks. But there was a lot of other great music from 1973 including the Strawbs ("Lay Down"), Hawkwind ("Urban Guerrilla"), Genesis ("Firth of Fifth", "Cinema Show"), etc. By the way, fans of early 70's music should check out the BBC TV series "Life On Mars." It's a strange time travel/science fiction/police drama set in Manchester in 1973. Great fun. I can't wait to see what he has to say about other years. 1979 anyone? Mike - ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Gil Ray To: Loud list Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:24:39 PM Subject: [loud-fans] 1973 Damn, I'm loving these! http://www.125records.com/loudfamily/mwh/1973.html Gil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:11:07 -0400 From: "Dave Walker" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 Nothing from _Tales From Topographic Oceans_ ? :) (Has a band ever made two albums in a row doing basically the same style with as much of a quality drop as "Close To The Edge" vs. "Topographic..."?) -d.w. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Mike Curley wrote: > I'm glad to see Scott's opinions on the songs from 1973. A couple of years > ago, I was making iPod playlists based on the years the songs were released (I > know...I know), and I noticed that I didn't have many good choices from the > early 70's. I seem to remember even sending a note to the list about the lack > of good music from 1974. Well, that started me searching, and now I'm really > into that period. > Scott made some interesting choices, especially "Sweet Lady > Genevieve," probably my favorite song from the Kinks. But there was a lot of > other great music from 1973 including the Strawbs ("Lay Down"), Hawkwind > ("Urban Guerrilla"), Genesis ("Firth of Fifth", "Cinema Show"), etc. > By the > way, fans of early 70's music should check out the BBC TV series "Life On > Mars." It's a strange time travel/science fiction/police drama set in > Manchester in 1973. Great fun. > I can't wait to see what he has to say about > other years. 1979 anyone? > Mike > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Gil Ray > > To: Loud list > Sent: Monday, June 23, > 2008 9:24:39 PM > Subject: [loud-fans] 1973 > > Damn, I'm loving these! > http://www.125records.com/loudfamily/mwh/1973.html > > Gil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:36:44 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 In the same genre, there's "Brain Salad Surgery" to "Works, Vol. 1", or "Wind and Wuthering" to "And Then There Were Three". Of course, some people might go from "Revolver" to "Sgt. Pepper...". MB (who actually kind of likes "Tales", and even has a live bootleg contributed by a list-member) On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Dave Walker wrote: > Nothing from _Tales From Topographic Oceans_ ? :) > > (Has a band ever made two albums in a row doing basically the same > style with as much of a quality drop as "Close To The Edge" vs. > "Topographic..."?) > > -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:21:40 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: Scott Miller on tomorrow's WII What It Is tomorrow! What the hell do you know? lol Mark **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA022-a49486139c8377; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:15:44 -0400 Received: from smtp181.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp181.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.181]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA011-a49486139c8377; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:15:36 -0400 Received: from relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C39B41B5CAF for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wncw.org (webmail21.webmail.iad.mlsrvr.com [192.168.1.18]) by relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AEA7D1B52FB for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by webmail.mailtrust.com (Authenticated sender: joek@wncw.org, from: joek@wncw.org) with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Scott Miller on tomorrow's WII From: joek@wncw.org To: "Mark Staples" Reply-To: joek@wncw.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain Message-ID: <34802.192.168.1.70.1214331336.webmail@192.168.1.70> X-Mailer: webmail6.7 X-AOL-IP: 207.97.245.181 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Mark, I'm running my chat (and Fred adds to it) about Scott Miller on What It Is tomorrow. Enjoy! Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:22:40 -0700 From: "rslloyd" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] 1973 I know Scott's put a lot of work into refining these lists in the past couple of years. He even did a few cleverly Photoshop'd CD covers for the first few years he completed (before that part of it became unrealistically time consuming). But he seems a little iffy about whether there's really an audience for this project, so I'd say if you want to hear about another year, by all means send him the request, even if it's your second one. Be greedy: it might help with getting the ball rolling for others as well. And it seems an excellent vehicle for the time being. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Curley > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:52 AM > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 > > I'm glad to see Scott's opinions on the songs from 1973. A couple of > years > ago, I was making iPod playlists based on the years the songs were > released (I > know...I know), and I noticed that I didn't have many good choices from > the > early 70's. I seem to remember even sending a note to the list about > the lack > of good music from 1974. Well, that started me searching, and now I'm > really > into that period. > Scott made some interesting choices, especially "Sweet Lady > Genevieve," probably my favorite song from the Kinks. But there was a > lot of > other great music from 1973 including the Strawbs ("Lay Down"), > Hawkwind > ("Urban Guerrilla"), Genesis ("Firth of Fifth", "Cinema Show"), etc. > By the > way, fans of early 70's music should check out the BBC TV series "Life > On > Mars." It's a strange time travel/science fiction/police drama set in > Manchester in 1973. Great fun. > I can't wait to see what he has to say about > other years. 1979 anyone? > Mike > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Gil Ray > > To: Loud list > Sent: Monday, June 23, > 2008 9:24:39 PM > Subject: [loud-fans] 1973 > > Damn, I'm loving these! > http://www.125records.com/loudfamily/mwh/1973.html > > Gil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:31:55 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] What It Is (the other WII) It runs about a quarter after 8--20 after 8 depending for about 5 minutes or so--so be listening to the stream at about 10 after 8 am est on WNCW.org to be sure to catch it. Mark "Beware Barak Obamma Puppet Master" (what I saw written above a toilet in a public bathroom) Beware Obamma, He's a bad mamma jamma (me) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:58:10 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What It Is (the other WII) Reminds me of my favorite political placard: Get a Brain, Morans On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:31 AM, wrote: > It runs about a quarter after 8--20 after 8 depending for about 5 minutes > or > so--so be listening to the stream at about 10 after 8 am est on WNCW.org to > be sure to catch it. > > Mark > > > "Beware Barak Obamma > Puppet Master" > > (what I saw written above a toilet in a public bathroom) > > > Beware Obamma, > He's a bad mamma jamma > (me) > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. ( > http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:10:31 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What It Is (the other WII) In a message dated 6/24/2008 3:03:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tmarcinko@gmail.com writes: Get a Brain, Morans Now, I'm sure famed Happy Days actress Erin Moran's family are bright, competent people! Joanie loves Trig, Mark **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:33:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: RE: [loud-fans] 1973 Maybe if he presented this in a blog type format, he could read responses and even get a visit counter if he wished. (I'm much to scared to get myself one of those, though!) Gil - --- rslloyd wrote: > I know Scott's put a lot of work into refining these > lists in the past > couple of years. He even did a few cleverly > Photoshop'd CD covers for the > first few years he completed (before that part of it > became unrealistically > time consuming). > > But he seems a little iffy about whether there's > really an audience for this > project, so I'd say if you want to hear about > another year, by all means > send him the request, even if it's your second one. > Be greedy: it might > help with getting the ball rolling for others as > well. > > And it seems an excellent vehicle for the time > being. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike Curley > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:52 AM > > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > > Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 > > > > I'm glad to see Scott's opinions on the songs from > 1973. A couple of > > years > > ago, I was making iPod playlists based on the > years the songs were > > released (I > > know...I know), and I noticed that I didn't have > many good choices from > > the > > early 70's. I seem to remember even sending a > note to the list about > > the lack > > of good music from 1974. Well, that started me > searching, and now I'm > > really > > into that period. > > Scott made some interesting choices, especially > "Sweet Lady > > Genevieve," probably my favorite song from the > Kinks. But there was a > > lot of > > other great music from 1973 including the Strawbs > ("Lay Down"), > > Hawkwind > > ("Urban Guerrilla"), Genesis ("Firth of Fifth", > "Cinema Show"), etc. > > By the > > way, fans of early 70's music should check out the > BBC TV series "Life > > On > > Mars." It's a strange time travel/science > fiction/police drama set in > > Manchester in 1973. Great fun. > > I can't wait to see what he has to say about > > other years. 1979 anyone? > > Mike > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > From: Gil Ray > > > > To: Loud list > > Sent: Monday, June 23, > > 2008 9:24:39 PM > > Subject: [loud-fans] 1973 > > > > Damn, I'm loving these! > > http://www.125records.com/loudfamily/mwh/1973.html > > > > Gil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandible Subject: [loud-fans] CD archiving question Hi, everyone! I've rejoined the list to ask a question that it seems like other loud-fans might have faced... Hard drive space is now cheap enough that it would be relatively cheap for me to rip all of my 4000 CDs to some lossless format (Apple Lossless? FLAC?) and pack the CDs away into an attic. But it would also take a really, really long time sitting at my computer to do them one at a time. (And I'm a little worried about wearing out my optical drive, though I don't think replacing it would be exorbitant if it came to that.) I know there are services that will do the ripping for you, but the best one I could find (musicshifter.com) would still cost several thousand bucks and involve mailing my CDs across the country twice. Is there something better/cheaper/local to Boston? Or, on the other hand, I could find some way to speed up ripping them myself. If there were a computer-accessible version of those 400-disc carousels, I could load it up and let the thing spin for days unattended, but I don't know of such a thing that works on the Mac. Any help, y'all? a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:32:17 -0700 From: PunkRok Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD archiving question I have no idea. I have about 2500 cd's (nothing compared to your whopping 4000!!) and it took me about 18 months to rip them. In fact, my hubby set up a sweet system for me. I have a mac set up in my music room, we added a treadmill and he build a "treadmill desk" to hold my mouse, keyboard and an external optical drive (super cheap, and it actually STILL works) and I walked two miles, every night, while ripping cd's. My biggest problem is that I buy new cd's (sometimes 15 or so at once) and then fail to rip them in a timely fashion, so a stack builds up. I am currently at the tail end of going through all of my cds for a second time and making sure all the newer stuff has been ripped, plus I am burning hard copies of everything I have ripped from friends along the way. I dunno if it is my OCD or what, but I feel the need to have hard copies of every piece of music in my itunes db. I am crazy, I know . . . Does anyone have a better system of making sure new stuff gets ripped in a timely fashion? On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Aaron Mandible wrote: > Hi, everyone! > > I've rejoined the list to ask a question that it seems like other loud-fans > might have faced... > > Hard drive space is now cheap enough that it would be relatively cheap for > me to rip all of my 4000 CDs to some lossless format (Apple Lossless? FLAC?) > and pack the CDs away into an attic. But it would also take a really, really > long time sitting at my computer to do them one at a time. (And I'm a little > worried about wearing out my optical drive, though I don't think replacing > it would be exorbitant if it came to that.) > > I know there are services that will do the ripping for you, but the best > one I could find (musicshifter.com) would still cost several thousand > bucks and involve mailing my CDs across the country twice. Is there > something better/cheaper/local to Boston? > > Or, on the other hand, I could find some way to speed up ripping them > myself. If there were a computer-accessible version of those 400-disc > carousels, I could load it up and let the thing spin for days unattended, > but I don't know of such a thing that works on the Mac. > > Any help, y'all? > > a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:31:59 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD archiving question On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Aaron Mandible wrote: > I know there are services that will do the ripping for you, but the best one > I could find (musicshifter.com) would still cost several thousand bucks and > involve mailing my CDs across the country twice. Is there something > better/cheaper/local to Boston? Hire a high school student to do the ripping. I would've killed for a summer job like that back in the day. I would probably do the same if I wasn't so picky about the titles and cataloging and such. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Michael Bowen wrote: > In the same genre, there's "Brain Salad Surgery" to "Works, Vol. 1", 4-year time difference, incl. a 3-year layoff. Plus they hated each other. > or "Wind and Wuthering" to "And Then There Were Three". Agreed, although the band lost Steve Hackett in the interval. How about PBRT to TTOOL? Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Dave Walker wrote: > Nothing from _Tales From Topographic Oceans_ ? :) > > (Has a band ever made two albums in a row doing basically the same > style with as much of a quality drop as "Close To The Edge" vs. > "Topographic..."?) Tales didn't officially come out till '74. It seems to me that with Tales, Yes managed to squeeze a good 45 min. album into only 80 minutes. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:12:44 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Dave Walker wrote: > Nothing from _Tales From Topographic Oceans_ ? :) > > (Has a band ever made two albums in a row doing basically the same > style with as much of a quality drop as "Close To The Edge" vs. > "Topographic..."?) We still don't know Scott's take on OCEANS. However, whereas the album contains, depending on who's asked, one track running more than eighty minutes *or* four tracks none shorter than 18:35; and whereas Scott's got the odd idea that all his picks have to fit together on a disc (to the point of his homebrew surgery on certain selections), we may reasonably presume that it's the length thing (at least), putting him off. "What happened/to this song..." Andy "What the fuck are all you people doing in my bathroom?" - --a guy descending the escalator to the main floor of the Downtown Seattle Public Library yesterday ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Dave Walker wrote: >> (Has a band ever made two albums in a row doing basically the same >> style with as much of a quality drop as "Close To The Edge" vs. >> "Topographic..."?) More prog examples (it's a risky genre, I guess): Mike Oldfield, INCANTATIONS -> PLATINUM Jethro Tull, THICK AS A BRICK -> A PASSION PLAY - -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:48:36 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Michael Bowen wrote: > . > >> or "Wind and Wuthering" to "And Then There Were Three". > > Agreed, although the band lost Steve Hackett in the interval. True, although between "Close To The Edge" and "Tales" Yes traded a brilliant drummer with a unique sound for a journeyman who sounded like anyone else. Actually, a lot of the major drop-offs that come to mind (Pogues, Blondie, Belle & Sebastian) involve personnel shifts. > How about PBRT to TTOOL? No way...that's a drop from an A+ to at worst an A-. MB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:50:23 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Tim Walters wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Dave Walker wrote: > >>> (Has a band ever made two albums in a row doing basically the same >>> style with as much of a quality drop as "Close To The Edge" vs. >>> "Topographic..."?) > > More prog examples (it's a risky genre, I guess): > > Mike Oldfield, INCANTATIONS -> PLATINUM > Jethro Tull, THICK AS A BRICK -> A PASSION PLAY > Dude! "A Passion Play" totally pwns "Thick As A Brick"! MB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:55:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 > More prog examples (it's a risky genre, I guess): > > Mike Oldfield, INCANTATIONS -> PLATINUM > Jethro Tull, THICK AS A BRICK -> A PASSION PLAY Reminding the court that EXPOSED comes in between INCANTATIONS and PLATINUM. Come to think of it, WELCOME BACK MY FRIENDS TO THE SHOW THAT NEVER ENDS [etc.] comes in between BRAIN SALAD SURGERY and WORKS VOL. 1. And what about those folks who think BRICK was just the warmup for PASSION? Hoping Tim got the Kate Rusby CD I sent him, Andy Teacher accused of burning cross on student's arm (CNN) -- School administrators in Ohio voted Friday to begin the process of firing a middle school teacher accused of burning a cross into a student's arm and refusing to keep his religious beliefs out of the classroom. A middle school student in Ohio says his teacher branded a cross on his arm. The Mount Vernon School Board passed a resolution to terminate the employment of John Freshwater, an eighth-grade science teacher for the past 21 years. Freshwater, according to an independent report, used an electrostatic device to mark a cross on the arm of one of his students, causing pain to the student the night of the incident and leaving a mark that lasted for approximately three weeks. According to the Ohio Department of Education, the student's family has filed a lawsuit. Freshwater was also reprimanded several times for refusing to move his Bible from his classroom desk and teaching creationism alongside evolution, according to the 15-page independent report. The report also cites evidence that Mr. Freshwater told his students that "science is wrong because the Bible states that homosexuality is a sin and so anyone who is gay chooses to be gay and is therefore a sinner." The Board of Education of the Mount Vernon City School District met in special session Friday to address the case. Freshwater has the option to contest the process by requesting a formal hearing before the Board of Education. Neither Freshwater nor his attorney could be reached by CNN for comment. [--from http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/20/teacher.cross/index.html?section=cnn_latest ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:09:07 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: [loud-fans] Weirdest Cover Version Ever? I just got my weekly e-mail from iTunes, which let me know that among my new choices for this week is the new single by Sugarland, the ne plus ultra of corporate country. (They're the ones that Bon Jovi collaborated with on their recent "country" record.) The single? A cover of "Life In A Northern Town". Michael "I was a Nick Drake fan before you were a Nick Drake fan" Bowen np: Vdrttind, "Iro" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 > Dude! "A Passion Play" totally pwns "Thick As A Brick"! Gag me with a blind bunny. - -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 > Reminding the court that EXPOSED comes in between INCANTATIONS and > PLATINUM. > > Come to think of it, WELCOME BACK MY FRIENDS TO THE SHOW THAT NEVER > ENDS [etc.] comes in between BRAIN SALAD SURGERY and WORKS VOL. 1. YESSONGS comes between CTTE and TALES, for that matter. Maybe the lesson is "don't do live albums, especially ones that involve more than one disc." > Hoping Tim got the Kate Rusby CD I sent him, Not yet, but I'll check the mail when I get home... - -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:54:28 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What It Is (the other WII) Tom Marcinko wrote: > Reminds me of my favorite political placard: > Get a Brain, Morans > I don't think they should go picking on West's family like that. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:04:16 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Weirdest Cover Version Ever? In a message dated 6/24/08 8:11:40 PM, bowenm@gmail.com writes: > The single? A cover of "Life In A Northern Town". > Not so weird. Sugarland has its genesis in the worst of Atlanta's folkish indie-rock scene (originally three lousy veterans of said scene, but down to two since the second album.) ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:04:36 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Weirdest Cover Version Ever? Weirdest cover version I can think of off the top of my head: Eric Dolphy's "God Bless The Child," which I like, but which contains nothing which I can, so far at least, recognize as "God Bless The Child": http://youtube.com/watch?v=YuiIyDxa750 Assuming the whole Big Daddy oeuvre gets disqualified, Andy Report: Justice Dept. passed over Dems, liberals By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer Tue Jun 24, 6:17 PM ET WASHINGTON - Ivy Leaguers and other top law students were rejected for plum Justice Department jobs two years ago because of their liberal leanings or objections to Bush administration politics, a government report concluded Tuesday. In one case, a Harvard Law student was passed over after criticizing the nomination of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. In another, a Georgetown University student who had previously worked for a Democratic senator and congressman didn't make the cut. Even senior Justice Department officials flinched at what appeared to be hiring decisions based  improperly and illegally  on politics, according to the internal report. "Individuals at the department were rejecting any of our candidates who could be construed as left-wing or who were perceived, based on their appearances and resumes and so forth, as being more liberal," Kevin Ohlson, deputy director of the department's executive office of immigration review, complained to Justice investigators. The report marked the culmination of a yearlong investigation by Justice's inspector general and Office of Professional Responsibility into whether Republican politics were driving hiring polices at the once fiercely independent department. The investigation is one of several that examine accusations of White House political meddling within the Justice Department. Those accusations were initially driven by the firings of nine U.S. attorneys in late 2006 and culminated with the ouster of Alberto Gonzales as attorney general last September. The report issued Tuesday concluded that politics and ideology disqualified a significant number of newly graduated lawyers and summer interns seeking coveted Justice jobs in 2006. As early as 2002, career Justice employees complained to department officials that Bush administration political appointees had largely taken over the hiring process for summer interns and so-called Honors Program jobs for newly graduated law students. For years, job applicants had been judged on their grades, the quality of their law schools, their legal clerkships and other experiences. But in 2002, many applicants who identified themselves as Democrats or were members of liberal-leaning organizations were rejected while GOP loyalists with fewer legal skills were hired, the report found. Of 911 students who applied for full-time Honors jobs that year, 100 were identified as liberal  and 80 were rejected. By comparison, 46 were identified as conservative, and only four didn't get a job offer. The political filtering of applicants ebbed for the three years between 2003 and 2005, the inquiry found, then resumed by 2006. Of 602 Honors candidates that year, 150 were identified as liberal  including 83 who were cut. Five of 28 self-described conservatives were rejected. Investigators blamed two political appointees on a three-person screening committee for the preferential treatment. It also singled out one of them, former deputy attorney general staff chief Michael Elston, for failing to make sure the hirings were proper  and giving evasive and misleading answers about why they were not. An attorney for Elston, who is now in private practice, did not immediately return a message seeking comment. Although federal law prohibits discriminating against government job applicants based on their politics, it's unlikely that any of those involved in the hiring process will be penalized since they no longer work at the department. A Justice official said the department is not considering pressing criminal charges or taking or civil actions against them. Democrats quickly seized on the report to bludgeon the Bush administration for playing politics with a department sworn to uphold the law fairly. "This is the first smoking gun," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee. "We believe there will be more to come. This report shows clearly that politics and ideology replaced merit as the hiring criteria at one of our most prized civil service departments." Under Gonzales, the Justice Department last year moved to prevent politics from influencing the hiring screening process. His successor, Attorney General Michael Mukasey, said Tuesday he "will continue to make clear that the consideration of political affiliations in the hiring of career department employees is impermissible and unacceptable." [--from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080624/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/justice_inquiry_hiring ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Weirdest Cover Version Ever? On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Michael Bowen wrote: > I just got my weekly e-mail from iTunes, which let me know that among > my new choices for this week is the new single by Sugarland, the ne > plus ultra of corporate country. (They're the ones that Bon Jovi > collaborated with on their recent "country" record.) > > The single? A cover of "Life In A Northern Town". Bonus: it's terrible. I saw it performed on some late-night show or other. Imagine what little edge it had replaced by "woo-hoo". Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:11:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: treesprite@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Weirdest Cover Version Ever? >Bonus: it's terrible. I saw it performed on some late-night show or >other. Imagine what little edge it had replaced by "woo-hoo". Sugarland are ridiculous. For awhile I was watching a lot of New Country music videos and when they first started there was a... larger woman in the band. My wife said, "I bet she's gone by the second record". Sure enough. And the videos were all carefully shot so that the larger woman and geeky guy didn't distract from the hot lead singer. It surprised me even less when the hot lead singer's next career move was a duet with Jon Bon Jovi. I'm listening to a great Chills bootleg from 1990, and it reminds me that Scott's first choice to produce P&B&R&T was Submarine Bells producer Gary Smith. Apparently, LF didn't have the budget to hire an additional engineer and Smith couldn't do both. I would love to have heard that collaboration as I think the production on Submarine Bells is brilliant! B www.byebyeblackbirds.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:15:19 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] 1973 Dissent, there, on A PASSION PLAY. Join me and know what it feels like to be in a VERY small minority... On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Tim Walters wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Dave Walker > wrote: > > >> (Has a band ever made two albums in a row doing basically the same > >> style with as much of a quality drop as "Close To The Edge" vs. > >> "Topographic..."?) > > More prog examples (it's a risky genre, I guess): > > Mike Oldfield, INCANTATIONS -> PLATINUM > Jethro Tull, THICK AS A BRICK -> A PASSION PLAY > > -- > Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #428 *******************************