From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #382 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, April 23 2008 Volume 07 : Number 382 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Coachella 2008 [PunkRok ] [loud-fans] sound "gelling" [Markwstaples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] ...and that's the horn for the end of the first [zoom@mup] Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town [Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] Coachella 2008 Hi folks! I just wanted to drop a quick line to let y'all know I am headed to Coachella '08 and will be blogging live from the event (provided all technology works as well as it did last year). I will also be sending some photos and reviews to Jen as well, so she can post on Tone and Groove. :) The blog addy is http://rock101.blogspot.com and the name of the blog is Sound Opinions! :) Viva Coachella! :) Florez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:51:25 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] sound "gelling" I've been listening to a lot of R.E.M. of late, and it seems to me that R.E.M.'s sound sort of gelled into it's current state with LIFE'S RICH PAGEANT. Their e.p. and first three records are radically different, but, until Berry left, their sound remained essentially the same. Now the new record sounds like the post PAGEANT pre-Berry departure material to me. It seems that, in a traditional rock format, R.E.M. have sounded pretty much the same for twenty-two years. The other band that I can think of along a similar vein is The Cure. From THE HEAD ON THE DOOR to the present day, the Cure's sound has remained pretty constant. Before this, each record, from THREE IMAGINARY BOYS (or BOYS DON'T CRY) through THE TOP were all radically different in style (if you can listen to THE TOP all the way through, I salute you). Buck reminds me of Peter Hook in that he no longer jangles, where Hook did the same with no longer carrying the melody in his later work. I wonder if this evolved naturally with Buck (and Hook as well) or if it was a conscious decision in the creative process of writing songs. I wonder why this "sound gelling" occurs, guess it's comfort with playing with the same players, or using the same producer repeatedly. I can't think of a time this occurred in Scott's music. Each album is pretty different to me. Thoughts? No pilots of temples or men in sexual aids were harmed in the making of this post, - --Mark, trying to be less bitchy, but with the taste you've come to expect (twee/fluffy?), now additive/trans fat free **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ...and that's the horn for the end of the first The only must-hear I've heard so far this year remains JUKEBOX by Cat Power. But I've spun Nada Surf's LUCKY enough times to recommend it to fans of classic pop with an attitude towards death surprisingly, simultaneously, upbeat and resigned. What else...still hoping to grab Kate Rusby's AWKWARD ANNIE. PWRFL POWER released his first non-self-released album, PLACE AMONGST THESE HALLOWED HALLS, last month, and I hold high hopes for that one as well. I don't know if glenn (or anybody else here) follows Fish these days, but his latest, 13TH STAR, gets good ink overseas (and waxes a tad metallic, which might entice Mr. mcdonald). glenn probably knows that Utada Hikaru has a new Japanese-language album, HEART STATION, out this month, and a new English-language album due out later this year. I'd love to hear THREE HANDED STAR by Richard Youngs, but given that only 50 copies were ever made, I don't give myself promising odds. I noticed Jill Tracy's new one, THE BITTERSWEET CONSTRAIN, comes out in May on 125. Sue and/or Joe, wanna say a few words? Stanley Jordan's RAGAS, a melding of his tapped-guitar technique with Indian musicians, appeals conceptually, but I'm unable to determine if it was even released. He does have a new non-self-released album due out this year, at any rate. Get ready for Elvis Costello, Billy Bragg, Prodigy, Ashlee Simpson, Whitesnake, Portishead, Madonna, Steve Winwood, Scarlett Johansson, Alanis Morissette, Curt Smith, Donna Summer, Al Green, Cyndi Lauper, Aimee Mann, Jakob Dylan, Shearwater, Spiritualized, Martha Wainwright, Alejandro Escovedo, the Melvins, the Cure, Gang Of Four, Morrissey, Jewel... ...and who knows, maybe Gil Ray... Andy ""Are you in a relationship right now? Would you like to go on a date with me sometime? What, do you think I'm ugly? You just aren't attracted to me?" - --guy on a bus this afternoon, to a woman I'm sure he'd never seen before ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town > It was their since of mystery from those early recordings that drew me in. > I > was over at Fred Mills apartment one day and he pulled out the "Radio Free > Europe" Hib-Tone single and said I had to hear this, that there was > nothing > else like it - also dropping that Mitch had worked on it. That the same Fred Mills who posts over at rockcritics.com saying "First person usage in a review: Never, ever, ever, nope, nada, whoop, steer clear dont do it, kids. (But if you do, theres hope: youll grow out of your narcissist phase.)"? Get the funny feeling at least one of 'em's never read anything by Bangs, Christgau, Marcus, Willis... Andy "God gave us the toaster. Along with Natalie Portman and the Hitachi Magic Wand." - --overheard at a friend's apartment recently ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:35:45 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > That the same Fred Mills who posts over at rockcritics.com saying "First > person usage in a review: Never, ever, ever, nope, nada, whoop, steer > clear dont do it, kids. (But if you do, theres hope: youll grow out of > your narcissist phase.)"? > > Get the funny feeling at least one of 'em's never read anything by Bangs, > Christgau, Marcus, Willis... > That's an interesting perspective, because I have exhorted reviewers for T&G to write from first person singular, rather than second person or first person plural, because in the end I don't think you can tell someone what they will or will not like or think about a record. That, to me, seems arrogant. In the end, you can only tell other people what you yourself think of the record, and perhaps guess that other people who like or dislike a certain other thing might agree with you. And even that is far from infallible. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #382 *******************************