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loud-fans-digest        Friday, April 18 2008        Volume 07 : Number 379



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  ["Brian Block" <bokon]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Miles Goosens <o]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  ["Roger Winston" ]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  ["\[The Arch-Vill]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  ["R. Kevin Doyle"]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  ["Pete O." <analo]
  [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town       ["Brian Block" <bokonin@care2.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town  ["Michael Bowen" <bowenm@gmail.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town  ["R. Kevin Doyle" <r.kevin.doyle@gm]
  Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town  ["R. Kevin Doyle" <r.kevin.doyle@gm]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Jenny Grover <sl]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Jenny Grover <sl]
  Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town  [Jenny Grover <sleeveless@zoominter]
  Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town  ["Stewart Mason" <craigtorso@verizo]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  ["R. Kevin Doyle"]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  ["outbound-only e]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Chris Prew <prew]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Markwstaples@aol]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Jenny Grover <sl]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Markwstaples@aol]
  Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)  [Dave Walker <dwa]

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:33:26 -0700
From: "Brian Block" <bokonin@care2.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

I'm not sure the value of saying this, but just to make it known that
diversity of opinion is possible: the R.E.M. that I love is the
major-label version, from Green through Reveal. I'm distinctly less
enthusiastic about Accelerate, although I like it well-enough, probably
as much as I like Document and Life's Rich Pageant.

Given that later R.E.M. albums outsell the early ones, I'm always
surprised that they have no defenders. I think the band made
consistently intelligent use of more embellished/expensive production; I
think Stipe by the early '90s was a dramatically better and more
expressive singer than he'd been a decade earlier; and I think he's a
good enough lyricist when not being opaque that I'd rather take his
periodic stumbles into cliche over his early reliance on gibberish. The
new album is much rawer -- to fascinating effect on "Houston", I freely
acknowledge -- and there's some vocals I'd've had Michael re-do. My
guess is, R.E.M.'s abandoners should give it a listen. 


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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:55:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Miles Goosens <outdoorminer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

Brian Block:
>I'm not sure the value of saying this, but just to make it known that
>diversity of opinion is possible: the R.E.M. that I love is the
>major-label version, from Green through Reveal. 

There are other artists I'm that way about... for me, PiL comes to mind.  While I certainly like and appreciate their first three outings, the ones I love the best are the "generic" album (ALBUM/CASSETTE/COMPACT DISC, whichever format you bought it in) and HAPPY?

And certainly I don't dismiss all the major-label albums... I'm very happy with OUT OF TIME and NEW ADVENTURES IN HI-FI, and liked MONSTER a lot.  It's really been the last three (well, the last three before this year's) where they lost me.

It's always interesting to hear that somebody out there loves the later stuff the most.  I remember seeing a Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers show in the mid-'90s that was about evenly split between the 15-30 and 30-up demographics, and through the regular set, everyone seemed to be enjoying things about the same.  Then one of the encore sets led off with "Refugee," and the 30-and-up set stood and cheered... and the younger folks *didn't know what it was.*  Turns out the young'uns had all come on board no earlier than FULL MOON FEVER, and their Tom Petty was entirely '90s material.

later,

Miles

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:17:55 -0600
From: "Roger Winston" <rwinston@tde.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

Brian Block on 4/17/2008 9:33:26 AM wrote:

>I'm not sure the value of saying this, but
>just to make it known that diversity of opinion
>is possible: the R.E.M. that I love is the
>major-label version, from Green through Reveal.

Yeah, you're probably in the minority there.  But
LIFES RICH PAGEANT is one of my favorites, and that's
pretty abnormal too, from what I hear.

>I'm distinctly less enthusiastic about Accelerate,
>although I like it well-enough, probably
>as much as I like Document and Life's Rich Pageant.

I like ACCELERATE a lot!  I haven't been this excited
about an R.E.M. album for a very long time. See:
http://www.flasshe.com/2008/04/17/hollow-fans/

Latre.  --Rog

- -- FlasshePoint: http://www.flasshe.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:19:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "\[The Arch-Villain\] West" <glarbleflarb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:25:36 -1000
From: "R. Kevin Doyle" <r.kevin.doyle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

I recall when "Murmer" came out and many folks decried how "Chronic Town"
was the better recording and that they wished REM would go back to that
sound.

And then the major label debut came out and many folks decried how the IRS
albums were better.

And then Bill Berry Left, and many people suggested they should pack it in.

Me?  I've liked albums by each incarnation and disliked albums from each
incarnation.  With the exception of "Around the Sun," they have consistently
managed to create albums on which I consistently enjoyed the majority of
songs.

My one complaint about REM was that when I saw them in 1985, they didn't
play "Radio Free Europe."  I'm still bitter.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Pete O." <analogman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

- --- "[The Arch-Villain] West" <glarbleflarb@yahoo.com> wrote:

> [TABLE NOT SHOWN]
> 

Why not?


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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:28:08 -0700
From: "Brian Block" <bokonin@care2.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town

>From: R. Kevin Doyle
>I recall when "Murmur" came out and many folks decried how "Chronic
Town"
>was the better recording and that they wished REM would go back to that
>sound.

Wait - really? I'd never heard that opinion, at least not outside my own
head.
And now I'm curious: why?

I ask because unlike my preference for major-label REM - which makes
sense to
me, and which I can and did defend - my fondness for Chronic Town, which
I
strongly prefer to the three LP's following it, is mysterious even to
me. How is
it actually different from Murmur/ Reckoning? What am I responding to?
Anyone? 


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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:51:31 -0400
From: "Michael Bowen" <bowenm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town

My guess would be people preferred Chronic Town for the more
stripped-down production and faster tempos. ISTR feeling that way back
in the day.

MB

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:22:41 -1000
From: "R. Kevin Doyle" <r.kevin.doyle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town

I did not actually get to hear Chronic Town - due to some extreme
deficiencies in local record stores - until around the time they recorded
Monster.  Even then it was more of a "well, I guess I'd better buy that"
thing than an actual desire to buy it.  I'm glad I did.

To me, they sound a bit more "raw" on Chronic Town then on Murmur, Reckoning
and Fables.  In a sense, they are a little less polished and a little more -
what is the word - anxious?  Hungry?

I still love me some Murmur and Reckoning (I run hot and cold on Fables) and
don't know that I can make a coherent argument for Chronic Town being
superior to either of those.  However, I think it is definitely one of those
"everyone who likes REM should own it" discs - as opposed to Around The Sun
which is a "Completists Only" disc.

In a similar vein, I have friends who far prefer the Sorry Ma period
Replacements to the Let it Be period Replacements, a stance which is
baffling to me and smacks of "I was there"-ism.  Not that there isn't some
fine work on Sorry Ma, but its hardly at the same level as Let it Be.

/snob



On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Brian Block <bokonin@care2.com> wrote:

> >From: R. Kevin Doyle
> >I recall when "Murmur" came out and many folks decried how "Chronic
> Town"
> >was the better recording and that they wished REM would go back to that
> >sound.
>
> Wait - really? I'd never heard that opinion, at least not outside my own
> head.
> And now I'm curious: why?
>
> I ask because unlike my preference for major-label REM - which makes
> sense to
> me, and which I can and did defend - my fondness for Chronic Town, which
> I
> strongly prefer to the three LP's following it, is mysterious even to
> me. How is
> it actually different from Murmur/ Reckoning? What am I responding to?
> Anyone?
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:23:38 -1000
From: "R. Kevin Doyle" <r.kevin.doyle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town

I'd like to add that I owe my exposure to REM to that Columbia Records and
Tape mail order club thing .  There's no way I'd have ever seen "Murmur" at
our local Record World.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:22 AM, R. Kevin Doyle <r.kevin.doyle@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I did not actually get to hear Chronic Town - due to some extreme
> deficiencies in local record stores - until around the time they recorded
> Monster.  Even then it was more of a "well, I guess I'd better buy that"
> thing than an actual desire to buy it.  I'm glad I did.
>
> To me, they sound a bit more "raw" on Chronic Town then on Murmur,
> Reckoning and Fables.  In a sense, they are a little less polished and a
> little more - what is the word - anxious?  Hungry?
>
> I still love me some Murmur and Reckoning (I run hot and cold on Fables)
> and don't know that I can make a coherent argument for Chronic Town being
> superior to either of those.  However, I think it is definitely one of those
> "everyone who likes REM should own it" discs - as opposed to Around The Sun
> which is a "Completists Only" disc.
>
> In a similar vein, I have friends who far prefer the Sorry Ma period
> Replacements to the Let it Be period Replacements, a stance which is
> baffling to me and smacks of "I was there"-ism.  Not that there isn't some
> fine work on Sorry Ma, but its hardly at the same level as Let it Be.
>
> /snob
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Brian Block <bokonin@care2.com> wrote:
>
> > >From: R. Kevin Doyle
> > >I recall when "Murmur" came out and many folks decried how "Chronic
> > Town"
> > >was the better recording and that they wished REM would go back to that
> > >sound.
> >
> > Wait - really? I'd never heard that opinion, at least not outside my own
> > head.
> > And now I'm curious: why?
> >
> > I ask because unlike my preference for major-label REM - which makes
> > sense to
> > me, and which I can and did defend - my fondness for Chronic Town, which
> > I
> > strongly prefer to the three LP's following it, is mysterious even to
> > me. How is
> > it actually different from Murmur/ Reckoning? What am I responding to?
> > Anyone?
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:46:48 -0400
From: Jenny Grover <sleeveless@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

Roger Winston wrote:
> But
> LIFES RICH PAGEANT is one of my favorites, and that's
> pretty abnormal too, from what I hear.
>   

Is it really?  I love Pageant.  Not my fave of theirs, but in my top 5, 
probably.  Chronic Town is still probably my fave.   When that came out, 
it just sounded like nothing else I had ever heard, and I was 
immediately sold on the band.   I still think it sounds like nothing 
else, not even Murmur (my second fave).  While I certainly like a lot of 
Michael's "intelligible" lyrics and vocals, I do miss the mystery and 
pliability of meaning of the early works.  I don't like things too 
nailed down.  The sprinkling of Southern colloquial expressions and 
character vignettes seems to be missing now, those phrases that were 
almost like inside jokes in a way, and yet that I didn't know for years 
weren't just things that everybody said or understood. 

Jen

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:48:41 -0400
From: Jenny Grover <sleeveless@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

[The Arch-Villain] West wrote:
> [TABLE NOT SHOWN]
>
>   


My table isn't shown either, but I can send a picture of it if anyone's 
interested. 

Jen

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:56:30 -0400
From: Jenny Grover <sleeveless@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town

Brian Block wrote:
> my fondness for Chronic Town, which
> I
> strongly prefer to the three LP's following it, is mysterious even to
> me. How is
> it actually different from Murmur/ Reckoning? What am I responding to?
> Anyone? 
>   

It's really hard to describe, or to put my finger on, but I suspect it's 
the same sorts of things I respond to there.  It's something subtle, 
something more dreamlike (in particular Wolves, Lower and Carnival of 
Sorts), and something about the production, I think.  There's something 
a bit more subconscious and organic, maybe less thought out.  I don't 
know.  But it's that "doesn't sound like anything else" thing I was 
getting at.

Jen

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:10:57 -0400
From: "Stewart Mason" <craigtorso@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Murmur / Chronic Town

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Bowen" <bowenm@gmail.com>

> My guess would be people preferred Chronic Town for the more
> stripped-down production and faster tempos. ISTR feeling that way 
> back
> in the day.

I can see that.  My first exposure to R.E.M. was seeing them live as 
an opening act for their labelmates the English Beat at Red Rocks in 
June of '83, just after MURMUR came out.  I liked them enough as a 
live band that I bought the LP at my earliest opportunity, and other 
than "Radio Free Europe," my first response to it was pretty much 
bafflement: it just sounded murky and weird and slow, and not much 
like the band I'd seen live.  It took many listens to sink in (and to 
this day, I don't particularly like most of side two), and it really 
wasn't until RECKONING that I became a full-on fan.

S

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:38:39 -1000
From: "R. Kevin Doyle" <r.kevin.doyle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

I also love's LIFE'S RICH PAGEANT.  It was one of the last vinyle albums I
bought.  I still remember hearing the opening riff of "Begin the Begin" for
the first time and thinking "holy crap this is awesome."  Ah, I was poetic
in thought even back them.

Of the 80's albums, that is probably the one I re-listen to the most.  There
are songs by them from their other 80's albums that I like more than any
track on LRP, but overall, LRP does it for me more as an album.

It might just be that it hit me at the right place in the right time of my
life.

You know, I hadn't really thought about it before, but LRP may in fact be my
favorite REM album.  How odd.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Jenny Grover <sleeveless@zoominternet.net>
wrote:

> Roger Winston wrote:
>
> > But
> > LIFES RICH PAGEANT is one of my favorites, and that's
> > pretty abnormal too, from what I hear.
> >
> >
>
> Is it really?  I love Pageant.  Not my fave of theirs, but in my top 5,
> probably.  Chronic Town is still probably my fave.   When that came out, it
> just sounded like nothing else I had ever heard, and I was immediately sold
> on the band.   I still think it sounds like nothing else, not even Murmur
> (my second fave).  While I certainly like a lot of Michael's "intelligible"
> lyrics and vocals, I do miss the mystery and pliability of meaning of the
> early works.  I don't like things too nailed down.  The sprinkling of
> Southern colloquial expressions and character vignettes seems to be missing
> now, those phrases that were almost like inside jokes in a way, and yet that
> I didn't know for years weren't just things that everybody said or
> understood.
> Jen

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:58:35 -0400
From: "outbound-only email address" <eeimmnno@antithetical.org>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

R. Kevin
>>
You know, I hadn't really thought about it before, but LRP may in fact be my
favorite REM album. How odd.
<<

I'm so out of it, I didn't even know this was a dark horse choice. I think
itt's my favorite REM record, too,
partly because I thought the band was so good when touring it.
But while I can rank the pre-Document records, they're slight preferences
... I really love them all.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:09:48 -0500
From: Chris Prew <prew@icsusa.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

I know a lot of people who love Life Rich Pagaent, myself included.    
I don't think its REMs "best" album, but its probably my favorite to  
actually sit and listen to.  Really a great pop/rock album.  There's  
not a bad song on it.

Big Fan of:
Chronic Town
Murmur
Reckoning
LRP
Green (if you skip "stand")

Lukewarm on:
Out of Time
Fables (although I'm liking this more as I age....)
Automatic -- a few awesome tracks, but a fair bit of filler IMHO.
Monster
UP

Blech:
Hi-Fi
Around the Sun

Haven't heard Reveal.  I'm probably going to buy the new one, which  
is the first REM I haven't bought used for a few bucks out of  
curiousity, probably since AFtP.

Chris

np:  Hyaa  s/t (Did I ever say "thanks", Tim, for burning this for  
me?    Thanks Tim!!!)


On Apr 17, 2008, at 4:38 PM, R. Kevin Doyle wrote:
> I also love's LIFE'S RICH PAGEANT.  It was one of the last vinyle  
> albums I
> bought.  I still remember hearing the opening riff of "Begin the  
> Begin" for
> the first time and thinking "holy crap this is awesome."  Ah, I was  
> poetic
> in thought even back them.
>
> Of the 80's albums, that is probably the one I re-listen to the  
> most.  There
> are songs by them from their other 80's albums that I like more  
> than any
> track on LRP, but overall, LRP does it for me more as an album.
>
> It might just be that it hit me at the right place in the right  
> time of my
> life.
>
> You know, I hadn't really thought about it before, but LRP may in  
> fact be my
> favorite REM album.  How odd.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:31:51 EDT
From: Markwstaples@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

In a message dated 4/17/2008 5:01:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
eeimmnno@antithetical.org writes:

I'm so  out of it, I didn't even know this was a dark horse choice. I think
itt's  my favorite REM record, too,
partly because I thought the band was so good  when touring it.



OMG, what a great show.  The Township Auditorium in Columbia, fall of  
1986--Pageantry Tour.  The house was only about half-full, but that  was a different 
time in their career in a much different South Carolina.   Blew off an 
evening philosophy class (my Laurie Anderson looking professor  chewed me out the 
following week for missing her class, since she found out I  wasn't sick) at The 
College of Charleston, drove  up, and met up with  my girlfriend (yep, c'est 
vrai) who drove down from Greenville and we approached  the theater to hear 
Buck playing his opening part to "We Walk" emanating from  the back of the 
building into the air outside, which was hot as fire  and sticky (typical Columbia 
weather, which Pat Conroy accurately describes in  one of his books as "An 
armpit of a city.")  Perhaps it is because I was  barely 19, and, like Douglas 
Coupland once wrote in my favorite book, LIFE AFTER  GOD, that when you're out 
of your twenties, "new experiences just don't register  in the same way or with 
the same impact. I could be shooting heroin with the  Princess of Wales, 
naked in a crashing jet, and the experience still couldn't  compare to the time 
the cops chased us after we threw the Taylors' patio  furniture into their pool 
in the eleventh grade." 
 
Perhaps it was because Let's Active opened, and were fantastico.   Perhaps it 
was because Mich joined R.E.M. later and played.  Perhaps  it was because I 
was young and my biggest concern was not paying a  monthly bill, as I had none, 
but getting a Pageantry Tour long-sleeve tee  afterwards (didn't have enough 
to get a Let's Active tee and have dinner with my  gf afterwards, so I had to 
make a tough choice--wooing a chick or  paying Mitch).
 
The interior of the theater (think of the cover of The Go-Betweens album  
SPRING HILL FAIR) added to the R.E.M. ness of the evening.  
 
I love that record.  I think of  it as the Shakesperian climax of their 
"college rock" period  (DOCUMENT being the end of it) and they even had that 
smartassed response  to complaints from listeners not understanding what Stipe was 
singing in  the band's songs with that video with the words to "Fall on Me" in  
huge letters (perhaps it was also because Stipe was passionate in his  
environmentalism and wanted to get the song's message across).
 
This will freak you out about the passage of time.
 
That album came out twenty-two years ago.
 
People conceived that evening could be finishing college now.
 
- --Mark  




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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:06:48 -0400
From: Jenny Grover <sleeveless@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

Markwstaples@aol.com wrote:
> (didn't have enough 
> to get a Let's Active tee and have dinner with my  gf afterwards, so I had to 
> make a tough choice--wooing a chick or  paying Mitch).
>   

So... which did you choose?

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:36:12 EDT
From: Markwstaples@aol.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

In a message dated 4/17/2008 7:14:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sleeveless@zoominternet.net writes:

So...  which did you choose?




I was a gentleman, Jen.  What do you think?
 
 
 
 
I told the guy behind the counter at the tee-shirt table "thank you very  
much" when he handed me my Let's Active shirt.  I treated my lady to some  
crackers from the Lance machine with the change.
 
 
 
 
No, lol, I took Elizabeth out to dinner.  We're still friends to this  day, 
even though her minivan life with her three daughters and her job as the  
manager of a crew of environmental soil testers (she graduated with a Biology  and 
Political Science degree from Furman as a commuter) keeps us from  seeing each 
other much.
 
I knew it was not going to work out between us romantically, especially  
after her summer of being a page for Strom Thurmond the following year (no  lie).
 
- --Mark



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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:09:47 -0400
From: Dave Walker <dwalker@freeke.org>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. (a brief burst of contrarianism)

I always enjoyed R.E.M. most when they were jangling their freakin'  
brains out, which they obviously couldn't have kept doing for 25  
years, but hey...

    -d.w.


Sent from my iPod

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