From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #374 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, April 12 2008 Volume 07 : Number 374 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! [Micah ] Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! [Markws] Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! ["Michae] Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! [Jenny] Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! [Jenny ] Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! ["R. Kev] Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! ["R. Kev] Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumberstew [JRT456@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Micah Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! Negative, Captain. M. - ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Holtebeck To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 6:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! > Oooh, Stone Temple Pilots! How could I pass that up? > > I hear ya. An oozing syphlitic sore. How could I pass that up? Dueling online snarkasm. I really wish we could all pass that up! Not to invite more of it, but what exactly IS so horrible about STP? http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1585061/20080408/id_0.jhtml Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:19:08 EDT From: Markwstaples@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! In a message dated 4/11/2008 10:18:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, noahbrtn@yahoo.com writes: Not to invite more of it, but what exactly IS so horrible about STP? It gums up your engine. Oh, Stone Temple Pilots? They gum up your brain. I think their music is safe, radio friendly, mass-produced generic common gutless soulless crap, and, because it fit a formula for the music biz in the early nineties, I"ll have to hear their product for the rest of my days softly in the background when I'm out shopping or eating in a restaurant--more tired and done than the whistler in Elton John's live version of Bennie and the Jets (hell, they were already tired by '93)--all because advertisers know it's safe and palatable for the sheep, and they'll plunk down their money for ads if the sheep shit plays. - --Mark **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:51:47 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! The bastard children of Pearl Jam and Foreigner. MB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:53:21 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! Markwstaples@aol.com wrote: > I think their music is safe, radio friendly, mass-produced generic common > gutless soulless crap, and, because it fit a formula for the music biz in the > early nineties, I"ll have to hear their product for the rest of my days softly > in the background when I'm out shopping or eating in a restaurant Mark must be thinking of things like "Interstate Love Song" and "Lady Picture Show", because I sure can't see stores or restaurants playing half the album cuts I'm thinking of. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:17:38 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! Michael Bowen wrote: > The bastard children of Pearl Jam and Foreigner. > They were always criticized in the press as aping Pearl Jam, but I always thought they sounded more like they were aping Alice in Chains. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:32:27 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Michael Bowen wrote: > The bastard children of Pearl Jam and Foreigner. > While I rather enjoy most of STP's hits (and argue that their only worthwhile album is their greatest hits package), my major criticism of them isn't so much that they sound too much like a specific band or style of music, but that they never really had an identity of their own to begin with. Many acts play different styles of songs to show range; I think STP showed a lot of variety in their music because there wasn't ever a distinct STP "sound." In a way, they were a sort of style cover band - instead of playing, for example, an Alice Cooper cover, they'd create a song that sounded sort of like something Alice Cooper would play. Then they'd move on to another act from the 70's or 80's. While they were clumped in with grunge, I don't think they had much in common sonically with the Pearl Jams and Alice in Chains (though I agree with Jenny that they sounded more like Alice in Chains than Pearl Jam) of the day for the most part - not even on "Core." They may have drawn inspiration from the same sources, but instead of distilling those sources and making them their own, they aped 'em. Their albums were dreadful affairs. I usually don't agree with the comment that certain songs are filler on any given album, but, damn, some of their songs miss the ear candy target by miles. Its almost like they would really work hard on three or four songs and then write eight more in a single day and put them all on the record without regard for quality. But some of their singles were catchy as all hell and sometimes, for pop music, that is enough. A couple of their singles were as good as any popular rock music released in the early 90's. A couple were extremely popular and still fairly forgettable. "Vasoline," (which I thought was an Alice in Chains song at the time) "Plush," "Interstate Love Song," "Big Bang Baby" and "Creep" all hold up fairly well in my opinion because, for the most part, they don't sound sound like music from the early 90's, but rather music from some fictional 1970's. Essentially, they were revivalists that had some success because their music sounded extremely familiar. I wouldn't say they were one of my favorite bands - not by a long shot - but I also note that I don't ever skip over their songs when the iPod shuffle spews one out. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the band and, while I don't think they exactly belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I also don't think they deserve quite the scorn they've received over the years. Come to think of it, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a pretty corporate entity too. Maybe they do belong there, though not for a positive reason. Hmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:33:40 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumbershoot 2008 sneak peek lineup is here! Also, the thought that I feel compelled to come to the defense of STP makes me very concerned. Can we attack a band that I can feel better about defending next time? Anyone want to say rude things about The Negro Problem? I can rise to a truly spirited defense of Stew... On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Michael Bowen wrote: > > > The bastard children of Pearl Jam and Foreigner. > > > > While I rather enjoy most of STP's hits (and argue that their only > worthwhile album is their greatest hits package), my major criticism of them > isn't so much that they sound too much like a specific band or style of > music, but that they never really had an identity of their own to begin > with. > > Many acts play different styles of songs to show range; I think STP showed > a lot of variety in their music because there wasn't ever a distinct STP > "sound." In a way, they were a sort of style cover band - instead of > playing, for example, an Alice Cooper cover, they'd create a song that > sounded sort of like something Alice Cooper would play. Then they'd move on > to another act from the 70's or 80's. > > While they were clumped in with grunge, I don't think they had much in > common sonically with the Pearl Jams and Alice in Chains (though I agree > with Jenny that they sounded more like Alice in Chains than Pearl Jam) of > the day for the most part - not even on "Core." They may have drawn > inspiration from the same sources, but instead of distilling those sources > and making them their own, they aped 'em. > > Their albums were dreadful affairs. I usually don't agree with the > comment that certain songs are filler on any given album, but, damn, some of > their songs miss the ear candy target by miles. Its almost like they would > really work hard on three or four songs and then write eight more in a > single day and put them all on the record without regard for quality. > > But some of their singles were catchy as all hell and sometimes, for pop > music, that is enough. A couple of their singles were as good as any > popular rock music released in the early 90's. A couple were extremely > popular and still fairly forgettable. > > "Vasoline," (which I thought was an Alice in Chains song at the time) > "Plush," "Interstate Love Song," "Big Bang Baby" and "Creep" all hold up > fairly well in my opinion because, for the most part, they don't sound sound > like music from the early 90's, but rather music from some fictional 1970's. > > Essentially, they were revivalists that had some success because their > music sounded extremely familiar. > > I wouldn't say they were one of my favorite bands - not by a long shot - > but I also note that I don't ever skip over their songs when the iPod > shuffle spews one out. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the band and, > while I don't think they exactly belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I > also don't think they deserve quite the scorn they've received over the > years. > > Come to think of it, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a pretty corporate > entity too. Maybe they do belong there, though not for a positive reason. > Hmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:16:40 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Bumberstew In a message dated 4/11/08 5:39:03 PM, r.kevin.doyle@gmail.com writes: > Anyone want to say rude things about The Negro > Problem? I can rise to a truly spirited defense of Stew... > Nothing bad to say, but here's good news for fans of Stew: "Passing Strange" is recording its Original Cast soundtrack as a live recording at the Belasco Theatre on April 14th. Then it's Joe Jackson at the Apollo on the 15th for a fine end to the tax season. ************** It's Tax Time! 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