From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #324 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, February 3 2008 Volume 07 : Number 324 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] I want my JTV [Betsy Lescosky Way ] RE: [loud-fans] punk rock ["rich.blath@virgin.net" ] [loud-fans] We've been punk'd! [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] punk rock [LeftyZ@aol.com] [loud-fans] four great punk rock obscurities ["Brian Block" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I want my JTV This has already started airing. Detroit cable gets the CBC since we're, you know, neighbors. You could probably watch it on the CBC website. On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Scout82667@aol.com wrote: > Thinking of all things Pod, Douglas Coupland's JPod novel is now a > tv series > in Canada, starting I believe next week. Is there anyone on the > list who > could record the episodes for me, be it DVD or VHS? I could pay > you for your > time and media cost and postage. Contact me off-list if you're game. > > --Mark, who has made an online friendship with DC's caterer in > Vancouver--the world is small (but, as Steven Wright once said, "I > wouldn't want to paint > it.") > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) Betsy Lescosky Way pantone_367@mac.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:14:21 +0000 (UTC) From: "rich.blath@virgin.net" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] punk rock I'll second all the recommendations that Aaron made and add a few others. All of these are from the 1st time around and are all British - I reckon the rest of you have covered the US angle pretty well.Buzzcocks - Another Music in a Different Kitchen & Love Bitesbut then they were far and away my favourite band at the time. These albums have been available as a 2 for 1, but newer reissues often have non-album singles, of which there were many brilliant ones, hence Aaron's pick of Singles Going Steady.Only Ones - s/t & Even Serpents Shineeveryone knows Another Girl, but there are loads of other songs just as good. Others will say that the Peel Sessions CD contains the best versions of a lot of their songs.999 - s/t & Separateskind of a slightly edgier version of the above, but with plenty of hooks.Penetration - Moving TargetsSiouxsie & the Banshees - The Screampunks, but maybe not a punk album by today's thinking, but then again that could be said of most of the stuff here. This is just a damn good album. The deluxe version of the reissue includes the debut single, b-sides and a couple of John Peel sessions.and if you think you'd enjoy enjoy a mixture of the politics/self-reliance of Crass and hardcore then try out Discharge.Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:42:41 -0500 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock > So, I'm trying to get a better handle on punk - primarily older but also > contemporary. > > In my quest I've been listening to the buzzcocks, black flag, stiff little > fingers, and others. Today I bought an early Naked Raygun CD. Obviously I > am > familiar with the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones. > > More contemporary artists I've found are the Smut Peddlers and Lower Class > Brats. In this particular vein Riverboat Gamblers (verry Ramones-y) and the Acro-brats immediately come to mind. What other suggestions do people have? Lot's of good suggestions already, i'll try to avoid dupes ... First, editrix and I are jointly astounded no one's mentioned X yet. (early) Agent Orange, D.O.A, (early) TSOL, the Avengers, Germs, UK Subs, Exploited, Charged GBH, Celibate Rifles, Generation X, Richard Hell are all good candidates for exploration. If you like a little funk and agit politics mixed in, try Gang of Four for sure. The Mekons are by no means always "punk" musically, neither are The Ex nor Chumbawamba, but they're all very punk attitudinally and all are recommended if you like any singly. If you like the Buzzcocks and Wire, try Magazine. If you find you like Fugazi (try "Repeater" to see), there are many bands that explore more-or-less similar territory -- sometimes melodic, with an emphasis on very technically proficient playing (at its extreme, in bands like Faraquet, this strain of punk almost verges on prog). THis is my pesonal little area of expertise. Top-of-the-heap from the top-of-my-head includes Jawbox, Bluetip, Unwound, Constantines, Smart Went Crazy, Bad Religion, Q and Not U (especially the first album, "No Kill No Beep Beep"), McClusky, Cinemechanica, Rocket from the Crypt/Drive Like Jehu/Hot Snakes/anything else with John Reis in it. I've been really enjoying Haram's "Drescher" since picking it up last week. Even harsher are bands like Wolves, These Arms Are Snakes, Transistor Transistor, Fatal Flying Guilloteens, Young Widows etc. If the metallic overtones of late Black Flag and the fast tempos of early Black Flag both appeal, try Suicidal Tendencies for sure. Did no one mention the Descendents yet? Near the top of the pop-punk pile, for sure. Also in the general arena of sometimes funny/insightful and/or sophomoric (I know the Dead Kennedys were already mentioned...) there's The Vandals, Mr. T Experience, The Dead Milkmen (progressively less punk through their lifespan), Butthole Surfers, and, what the hell, Green Day and J Church. My current favorite is The Dollyrots, whose 2007 release "Because I'm Awesome" was, well, awesome. I'd also recommend at least dipping into the riot grrl scene. Everybody knows about Sleater-Kinney, but check out Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, Team Dresch, and The Muffs. I also endorse Hole up through "Live Through This." There's tons more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:19:26 EST From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:45:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eeimmnno@antithetical.org writes: If you like a little funk and agit politics mixed in, try Gang of Four for sure. I'm glad you mentioned them, as they crossed my mind, but was thinking to myself--are they punk? ENTERTAINMENT yes, HARD no. A personal victory of mine was turning my brother on to ENTERTAINMENT when I was out in LA. We stopped in Amoeba and I picked the disc up and handed it to him telling him, "If you like Franz Ferdinand so much, why don't you listen to the originals?" I have a fond memory now of driving down Hollywood Blvd. at night in the front passenger seat of his BMW SUV with "Guns Before Butter" playing--male prostitutes on the sidewalk and some guy dressed as Darth Vader posing for pics with people and me thinking, THIS is America--listening to a British punk band reeking of youthful integrity, but on a major label, 28 years after the fact, (beautifully remastered!) safely taking it all in my brother's leather clad, upper middle class interior, in a Western European car that isn't a car built in Greer, SC, because we rednecks'll work for practically nothing-- just enough for beer, cigs n' porn. That's enterainment. A cheap holiday in other people's misery? - --Mark "Adventure without risk is Disneyland." (D.C.) . **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:38:54 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock To which I would add that *some* of the tracks on Go4's RETURN THE GIFT sound even better the second time around. The idea of remaking original tracks should not have worked at all. I always thought of Go4, Wire, Magazine, Mission of Burma, and others as post-punk rather than punk, which oddly enough is how I thought of LOLITA NATION. I might as well mention one of my own favorite unsung U.S. post-punk bands, Salem 66, & their wonderfully titled compilation YOUR SOUL IS MINE, FORK IT OVER. On Feb 2, 2008 9:19 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:45:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > eeimmnno@antithetical.org writes: > > If you like a little funk and agit politics > mixed in, try Gang of Four for sure. > > > > I'm glad you mentioned them, as they crossed my mind, but was thinking to > myself--are they punk? ENTERTAINMENT yes, HARD no. > > A personal victory of mine was turning my brother on to ENTERTAINMENT when I > was out in LA. We stopped in Amoeba and I picked the disc up and handed it > to him telling him, "If you like Franz Ferdinand so much, why don't you > listen to the originals?" I have a fond memory now of driving down Hollywood > Blvd. at night in the front passenger seat of his BMW SUV with "Guns Before > Butter" playing--male prostitutes on the sidewalk and some guy dressed as Darth > Vader posing for pics with people and me thinking, THIS is America--listening > to a British punk band reeking of youthful integrity, but on a major label, 28 > years after the fact, (beautifully remastered!) safely taking it all in my > brother's leather clad, upper middle class interior, in a Western European car > that isn't a car built in Greer, SC, because we rednecks'll work for > practically nothing-- just enough for beer, cigs n' porn. > > That's enterainment. A cheap holiday in other people's misery? > > --Mark > > "Adventure without risk is Disneyland." > (D.C.) > > > . > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:11:20 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] We've been punk'd! So Dennis....think you have enough to go on?? LOL! Thanks for bringing out the inner punk in all of us. This has been fun! Gil ("too drunk to fuck") Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:29:53 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock In a message dated 2/1/2008 2:05:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dennis.sacks@gmail.com writes: What other suggestions do people have? X, DRI, Sham 69, The Vandals, Social Distortion The Circle Jerks recommendation was an excellent one. I agree that the Undertones were not necessarily "punk," but certainly worth listening to. There are two documentaries on punk running on some of the movie channels on DirecTV that are pretty comprehensive. You might want to check 'em out. Left **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:44:16 -0500 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] four great punk rock obscurities I'll second the New Model Army and Dead Kennedys recommendations. For all-time-great punk rock albums no one has ever heard of that can be found for about 99 cents used, I'll add: Alice Donut, MULE Casey Scott, CREEP CITY Fake Brain, DEPARTMENT OF HER WAYS Propagandhi, POTEMKIN CITY LIMITS All three of them, in different ways, are hyper-literate punk rock. And almost as funny as angry. I think this explains both my extreme fondness and their general obscurity. While I'm at it, Sage Francis's A HEALTHY DISTRUST is the greatest punk rock album ever released in hip-hop form. This may, or may not, be off-topic; depends which punk you ask. cheers, - Brian Care2 make the world greener! http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million members! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:34:16 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] four great punk rock obscurities - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Block" > Propagandhi, POTEMKIN CITY LIMITS One of the dudes from an earlier lineup of Propagandhi, John K. Samson, is now the leader of the Weakerthans, whose most recent album REUNION TOUR was in my Top 3 of 2007 and one many days is my #1 of the year. His wife Christine Fellows is equally awesome in an entirely different style. 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