From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #323 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, February 2 2008 Volume 07 : Number 323 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] 1st gen Nano blues [scout82667@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] 1st gen Nano blues [Chris Prew ] [loud-fans] punk rock ["Dennis Sacks" ] Re: [loud-fans] punk rock ["Tom Marcinko" ] Re: [loud-fans] punk rock [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] punk rock ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] punk rock ["Stewart Mason" ] Fw: [loud-fans] punk rock [Mike Curley ] RE: [loud-fans] punk rock [Aaron Milenski ] Re: [loud-fans] punk rock ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] punk rock [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] 1st gen Nano blues [Scout82667@aol.com] [loud-fans] I want my JTV [Scout82667@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:52:07 -0500 From: scout82667@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] 1st gen Nano blues Question, The 2+-year-old Nano I got for Christmas works fine, but the problem I'm experiencing is that it will play about 4 or 5?albums, and then the battery is done.? This can't be normal.? I know batteries age and all, but should there be THIS much of a drain this quickly??? The Energizer bunny shot me a bird, - --Mark? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:24:36 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1st gen Nano blues Sounds a little extreme, but this amount of degradation in battery life is not out of the realm of possibility - Apple got sued over the life span of iPod batteries a few years ago. Anyways, one thing to try is to charge it up, and then let it play until the battery is _completely_ drained, then charge it up again until it's completely full, and see if that helps. If you are moderately technical, you can usually crack open an ipod and replace the battery without too much diffculty -- do a google search and see what you come up with for your specific model. With the obvious risk of an unusable iPod if you make a mistake. I got a battery for my 2nd Gen 20Gb ipod on Ebay for $20 when the battery got down to about 1 hour playtime. Works like a champ now, and I still use it daily. Chris NP: old Live Skull for a frustrating Friday at work On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:52 AM, scout82667@aol.com wrote: > Question, > > The 2+-year-old Nano I got for Christmas works fine, but the > problem I'm experiencing is that it will play about 4 or 5?albums, > and then the battery is done.? This can't be normal.? I know > batteries age and all, but should there be THIS much of a drain > this quickly??? > > The Energizer bunny shot me a bird, > --Mark? > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http:// > webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:58:45 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: [loud-fans] punk rock So, I'm trying to get a better handle on punk - primarily older but also contemporary. In my quest I've been listening to the buzzcocks, black flag, stiff little fingers, and others. Today I bought an early Naked Raygun CD. Obviously I am familiar with the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones. More contemporary artists I've found are the Smut Peddlers and Lower Class Brats. What other suggestions do people have? Dennis Sacks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:21:04 -0700 From: "Tom Marcinko" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock The one that leaps immediately to mind is Television's MARQUEE MOON. On Feb 1, 2008 2:58 PM, Dennis Sacks wrote: > So, I'm trying to get a better handle on punk - primarily older but also > contemporary. > > In my quest I've been listening to the buzzcocks, black flag, stiff little > fingers, and others. Today I bought an early Naked Raygun CD. Obviously I am > familiar with the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones. > > More contemporary artists I've found are the Smut Peddlers and Lower Class > Brats. > > What other suggestions do people have? > > > Dennis Sacks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:00:40 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock OK, I'll bite... Older punk was a singles phenomenon - Rhino(?) released a 4 disc "No Thanks" comp a few years ago which is fairly authoritative in a reasonable sized package, and is evenly mixed between stuff you don't know and stuff you may be a bit familiar with, and bands who were related to/influential to/ influenced by the original punk movement. Don't forget Crass, if you really want to hear some strident radical anarcho punk. They have "Best Before 1984" which is a good overview. Then in the 80's you get the US explosion -- check out the SST bands (descendents, minutemen, husker du, bad brains), dischord bands (minor threat/Fugazi, ), touch & go bands, alt tentacles (dead kennedy's, nomeansno), Mission of Burma, etc. As for current punk, there are so many punk bands and punk cross- genre's out there now its really hard to point you in any one direction, but a couple interesting recent bands that stick to a fairly strict definition of "punk" are Avail, Anti-Flag and Refused. I personally find All Music Guides Genre's page a good resource for these little explorations. I'm sure there a million worthy groups I missed. Chris On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Dennis Sacks wrote: > So, I'm trying to get a better handle on punk - primarily older but > also > contemporary. > > In my quest I've been listening to the buzzcocks, black flag, stiff > little > fingers, and others. Today I bought an early Naked Raygun CD. > Obviously I am > familiar with the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones. > > More contemporary artists I've found are the Smut Peddlers and > Lower Class > Brats. > > What other suggestions do people have? > > > Dennis Sacks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:00:56 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock Not a music recomendation, per se, but for a good look at the punk/DIY scene, check out the book 'Our Band Could Be Your Life.' Very inspiring, I thought. As far as recomendations go, I would send you to Husker Du (esp. Zen Arcade) and The Minutemen (esp. Double Nickels on the Dime). I also would suggest looking into Minor Threat (there is a CD that has everything they ever released on it, though I can't recall the name), Big Black ("the Poor Man's 8-Track" is where you'll find their seminal "Atomizer," which isn't strictly punk, per se, but which is loud, angry and a great introduction to all things Albini), and any Ministry album from "Twitch" on (Industrial/Punk). Punk back in the day, of course, originally implied more than loud, angry musicians - it was more of a DIY aesthetic. You might also want to look at the first Modern Lovers' album (before they became Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers) and the first New York Dolls' album. Then there are the late-1970's/Early-1980's No Wave bands from New York. I think the great compilation from that period is called "No New York," but I don't have my collection in front of me here right now. Indeed, the mid-late 1970's had a whole bunch of different artists that were considered punk at the time but aren't considered it anymore - The Talking Heads, Blondie, and Devo, to mention three especially popular examples. Anyhow, let us know what else you're looking in to. This is an interesting topic. R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Dennis Sacks wrote: > So, I'm trying to get a better handle on punk - primarily older but also > contemporary. > > In my quest I've been listening to the buzzcocks, black flag, stiff little > fingers, and others. Today I bought an early Naked Raygun CD. Obviously I > am > familiar with the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones. > > More contemporary artists I've found are the Smut Peddlers and Lower Class > Brats. > > What other suggestions do people have? > > > Dennis Sacks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:28:03 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Sacks" > What other suggestions do people have? Well, the first two albums by the Undertones, THE UNDERTONES and HYPNOTISED, are a must. So too is their third album, THE POSITIVE TOUCH (probably my favorite of the lot, by a tiny margin), but by that point, they were no longer a punk band. John Peel repeatedly proclaimed that the Undertones' "Teenage Kicks" was his favorite song of all time, and it was, at his request, played at his funeral. My sister-in-law has been getting deeply into '70s punk lately, and she found the Rhino box set NO THANKS: THE '70S PUNK REBELLION extremely useful. It's popularly priced as well (it's about $40 on Amazon), and it doesn't discriminate between US and UK punk, so it's a good general overview. Maybe you could try that and then branch off from there. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:26:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Curley Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] punk rock If you are looking into punk, I would recommend the Adverts, the Ruts, the Dead Boys, the Vibrators, and the Saints (especially their classic second album "Eternally Yours" -- one of my favorite albums from any genre). Also, if you haven't done so already, you have to check out the Damned. They were one of the "original" punk bands, they were highly influential (especially to later L.A. punk bands), and they were (and still are) a lot of fun. "Machine Gun Etiquette" and "Damned Damned Damned" are good places to start. Mike - ----- Forwarded Message ---- On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Dennis Sacks wrote: > So, I'm trying to get a better handle on punk - primarily older but also > contemporary. > > In my quest I've been listening to the buzzcocks, black flag, stiff little > fingers, and others. Today I bought an early Naked Raygun CD. Obviously I > am > familiar with the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones. > > More contemporary artists I've found are the Smut Peddlers and Lower Class > Brats. > > What other suggestions do people have? > > > Dennis Sacks ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:52:36 -0500 From: Aaron Milenski Subject: RE: [loud-fans] punk rock I grew up on this stuff...and here's the ones I think have aged best: First Clash LP First four Ramones LPs Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols Vibrators: PURE MANIA Dead Boys : YOUNG LOUD AND SNOTTY Stiff Little Fingers : INFLAMMABLE MATERIAL Undertones: First LP and especially HYPNOTISED (HYPNOTISED isn't really punk--more like power pop, but it's my favorite album of the entire genre.) Wire : PINK FLAG Buzzcocks : SINGLES GOING STEADY (this is the rare case where I think the comp is better than the LPs) STREETS (early UK V/A compilation.) Adverts : CROSSING THE RED SEA X-Ray Spex : GERM FREE ADOLESCENTS DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED Many of the best albums of the era aren't punk at all, stuff like the Flys' WAIKIKI BEACH REFUGEES, the Undertones album I mentioned above, Television's MARQUEE MOON, Ian Durys NEW BOOTS AND PANTIES, etc... In my opinion, all the great punk albums are from the early years, 1976-1978. There have been latter day punk songs I really love, but hardcore and other more modern punk styles generally leave me cold. I'm sure I forgot something absolutely essential. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:06:33 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock I nominate The Jam and early New Model Army, and second the Minor Threat/Fugazi recommendations... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] punk rock Nice topic! I'll echo Minutemen, Bad Brains, Descendants and Black Flag. I would add Dead Kennedys, Plasmatics, Fear and Millions Of Dead Cops. And of course a little Circle Jerks never hurt anybody. Gil - --- Dennis Sacks wrote: > So, I'm trying to get a better handle on punk - > primarily older but also > contemporary. > > In my quest I've been listening to the buzzcocks, > black flag, stiff little > fingers, and others. Today I bought an early Naked > Raygun CD. Obviously I am > familiar with the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the > Ramones. > > More contemporary artists I've found are the Smut > Peddlers and Lower Class > Brats. > > What other suggestions do people have? > > > Dennis Sacks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:40:20 EST From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1st gen Nano blues In a message dated 2/1/2008 3:48:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, prew@icsusa.com writes: Anyways, one thing to try is to charge it up, and then let it play until the battery is _completely_ drained, then charge it up again until it's completely full, and see if that helps. If you are moderately technical, you can usually crack open an ipod and replace the battery without too much diffculty -- do a google search and see what you come up with for your specific model. With the obvious risk of an unusable iPod if you make a mistake. I got a battery for my 2nd Gen 20Gb ipod on Ebay for $20 when the battery got down to about 1 hour playtime. Works like a champ now, and I still use it daily. Chris I'll try the first suggestion and see. I'm absolutely not technical, but I could send it to my brother who is if that doesn't work. Thank you. I don't know why those excessive question marks appear in my posts. I noticed that in CA happening, but I thought that problem was over. Sorry. Or should I say sorry? It just seems like a ridiculous thing to have the ability to store 2GBs worth of music, and only able to play about a half of one, if even. Makes sense that they got sued. With the inflated price of these things compared to MP3 players, this shouldn't be occurring. Maybe I should just flush it down the iDump. - --Mark **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:55:19 EST From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] I want my JTV Thinking of all things Pod, Douglas Coupland's JPod novel is now a tv series in Canada, starting I believe next week. Is there anyone on the list who could record the episodes for me, be it DVD or VHS? I could pay you for your time and media cost and postage. Contact me off-list if you're game. - --Mark, who has made an online friendship with DC's caterer in Vancouver--the world is small (but, as Steven Wright once said, "I wouldn't want to paint it.") **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #323 *******************************