From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #287 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, December 19 2007 Volume 07 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] style council problem ["Dennis Sacks" ] Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late ["Dennis Sacks" ] Re: [loud-fans] style council problem ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late ["Dennis Sacks" ] [loud-fans] anyone know who dfan is? ["Dennis Sacks" ] Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late [Steve Schiavo ] Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late [Scout82667@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late ["bradley skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem So, uh in conclusion it sounds like if I get CAFE BLEU I'd be 3/4 of the way there, but if I get the GOLD compilation, I'd be 100% good. Thanks all, for beating this one to death, Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:00:12 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late So, on a whim I picked up a 2006 Midlake CD called *The Trials of Van Occupanther *at lunch. Listened to part of it on the way back to work. * *I didn't know people made music like this anymore. It sounds very 1970s British - sorta proggish, Alan Parson's Project-y - a little pretentious. I like it. Dennis Sacks On Dec 5, 2007 10:01 PM, Roger Winston wrote: Older Midlake bores me, but the latest one sounds like a cross > between Radiohead and Camel, and that's a good thing. I even like the new > Frank Black (excuse me, Black Francis). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:18:39 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late Hence my comparison to Camel... Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint: http://www.flasshe.com >------- Original Message ------- >From : Dennis Sacks[mailto:dennis.sacks@gmail.com] >Sent : 12/18/2007 2:00:12 PM >To : loud-fans@smoe.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late > >So, on a whim I picked up a 2006 Midlake CD called *The Trials of Van Occupanther *at lunch. Listened to part of it on the way back to work. * *I didn't know people made music like this anymore. It sounds very 1970s British - sorta proggish, Alan Parson's Project-y - a little pretentious. I like it. Dennis Sacks On Dec 5, 2007 10:01 PM, Roger Winston wrote: Older Midlake bores me, but the latest one sounds like a cross > between Radiohead and Camel, and that's a good thing. I even like the new > Frank Black (excuse me, Black Francis). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:36:09 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late I vaguely remember seeing Camel albums, but I don't know anything about them. Hey, I don't know if you ever said, but did you see the Jam open for BOC or was that before your concert going time? Dennis On Dec 18, 2007 2:18 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > Hence my comparison to Camel... > > Latre. --Rog > > -- FlasshePoint: http://www.flasshe.com > > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : Dennis Sacks[mailto:dennis.sacks@gmail.com] > >Sent : 12/18/2007 2:00:12 PM > >To : loud-fans@smoe.org > >Cc : > >Subject : RE: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late > > > >So, on a whim I picked up a 2006 Midlake CD called > *The Trials of Van > Occupanther *at lunch. Listened to part of it on the > way back to work. > * > *I didn't know people made music like this anymore. > It sounds very 1970s > British - sorta proggish, Alan Parson's Project-y - a > little pretentious. > > I like it. > > Dennis Sacks > > > On Dec 5, 2007 10:01 PM, Roger Winston > wrote: > > Older Midlake bores me, but the latest one sounds > like a cross > > between Radiohead and Camel, and that's a good > thing. I even like the new > > Frank Black (excuse me, Black Francis). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:56:52 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Sacks" > So, uh in conclusion it sounds like if I get CAFE BLEU I'd be 3/4 of > the way > there, but if I get the GOLD compilation, I'd be 100% good. Pretty much, yeah. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:10:20 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late What an odd double bill. Nope, never saw that. I saw BOC many times, but not really in their "heyday". I think I first saw them on the MIRRORS tour. I forgot to mention that when I said I didn't like Style Council, that applied to the Jam as well. Just not a Weller fan. If you've never heard Camel, and like prog at all, try THE SNOW GOOSE (a rare all-instrumental album from them). Camel is kind of "gentle prog". Pastoral Prog? Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint: http://www.flasshe.com >------- Original Message ------- >From : Dennis Sacks[mailto:dennis.sacks@gmail.com] >Sent : 12/18/2007 2:36:09 PM >To : loud-fans@smoe.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late > >I vaguely remember seeing Camel albums, but I don't know anything about them. Hey, I don't know if you ever said, but did you see the Jam open for BOC or was that before your concert going time? Dennis On Dec 18, 2007 2:18 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > Hence my comparison to Camel... > > Latre. --Rog > > -- FlasshePoint: http://www.flasshe.com > > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : Dennis Sacks[ mailto:dennis.sacks@gmail.com] > >Sent : 12/18/2007 2:00:12 PM > >To : loud-fans@smoe.org > >Cc : > >Subject : RE: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late > > > >So, on a whim I picked up a 2006 Midlake CD called > *The Trials of Van > Occupanther *at lunch. Listened to part of it on the > way back to work. > * > *I didn't know people made music like this anymore. > It sounds very 1970s > British - sorta proggish, Alan Parson's Project-y - a > little pretentious. > > I like it. > > Dennis Sacks > > > On Dec 5, 2007 10:01 PM, Roger Winston > wrote: > > Older Midlake bores me, but the latest one sounds > like a cross > > between Radiohead and Camel, and that's a good > thing. I even like the new > > Frank Black (excuse me, Black Francis). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:17:15 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late I was just reading about the jam opening for BOC on a website yesterday. Apparently they weren't well received. Who woulda thunk?! I guess I like prog... Dennis On Dec 18, 2007 3:10 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > What an odd double bill. Nope, never saw that. I > saw BOC many times, but not really in their "heyday". > I think I first saw them on the MIRRORS tour. > > I forgot to mention that when I said I didn't like > Style Council, that applied to the Jam as well. Just > not a Weller fan. > > If you've never heard Camel, and like prog at all, > try THE SNOW GOOSE (a rare all-instrumental album > from them). Camel is kind of "gentle prog". > Pastoral Prog? > > Latre. --Rog > > -- FlasshePoint: http://www.flasshe.com > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : Dennis Sacks[mailto:dennis.sacks@gmail.com] > >Sent : 12/18/2007 2:36:09 PM > >To : loud-fans@smoe.org > >Cc : > >Subject : RE: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late > > > >I vaguely remember seeing Camel albums, but I don't > know anything about > them. > > Hey, I don't know if you ever said, but did you see > the Jam open for BOC or > was that before your concert going time? > > Dennis > > On Dec 18, 2007 2:18 PM, Roger Winston > wrote: > > > Hence my comparison to Camel... > > > > Latre. --Rog > > > > -- FlasshePoint: http://www.flasshe.com > > > > > > >------- Original Message ------- > > >From : Dennis Sacks[ > mailto:dennis.sacks@gmail.com] > > >Sent : 12/18/2007 2:00:12 PM > > >To : loud-fans@smoe.org > > >Cc : > > >Subject : RE: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late > > > > > >So, on a whim I picked up a 2006 Midlake CD called > > *The Trials of Van > > Occupanther *at lunch. Listened to part of it on the > > way back to work. > > * > > *I didn't know people made music like this anymore. > > It sounds very 1970s > > British - sorta proggish, Alan Parson's Project-y - a > > little pretentious. > > > > I like it. > > > > Dennis Sacks > > > > > > On Dec 5, 2007 10:01 PM, Roger Winston > > wrote: > > > > Older Midlake bores me, but the latest one sounds > > like a cross > > > between Radiohead and Camel, and that's a good > > thing. I even like the new > > > Frank Black (excuse me, Black Francis). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:20:24 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: [loud-fans] anyone know who dfan is? His or her email is bouncing. - --- This is the mail system at host 5201.incoming.mail.your-site.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. 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The mail system : maildir delivery failed: create maildir file /var/mail/virtual/d/f/dfan.org/dfan/tmp/1198016282.P30353.5011.mail: Disk quota exceeded - ------------------------------ Reporting-MTA: dns; 5201.incoming.mail.your-site.com X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 1FA3F4F0A3 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Arrival-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:18:02 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; dfan@dfan.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;dfan@dfan.org Action: failed Status: 5.2.2 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; maildir delivery failed: create maildir file /var/mail/virtual/d/f/dfan.org/dfan/tmp/1198016282.P30353.5011.mail: Disk quota exceeded ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:41:16 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem On Dec 18, 2007 12:41 PM, Dennis Sacks wrote: > So, uh in conclusion it sounds like if I get CAFE BLEU I'd be 3/4 of the way > there, but if I get the GOLD compilation, I'd be 100% good. I have a cd called CAFE BLUE (not BLEU) which has both the single and album versions of "My Ever Changing Moods". I don't know if that's a misprint or another album. I think it's an import, but I'm pretty sure I didn't pay more than five bucks for it. The Style Council have released a lot of greatest hits albums for a band with just three good songs. I also have a Jam Greatest Hits CD that has the inferior album version of "That's Entertainment". False advertising! If it's called GREATEST HITS, it should have the single version. Not liking the Jam is weird. That's like saying you don't like strawberry jam (and I don't mean the Animal Collective album). - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:55:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late Rog: >I forgot to mention that when I said I didn't like >Style Council, that applied to the Jam as well. Just >not a Weller fan. Holy cow, I woulda never thought that. Have you ever seen live footage of the band from the SETTING SONS / SOUND AFFECTS days? I'm thinking in particular of the stuff on THE COMPLETE JAM DVD. That band is absolutely on fire, at the peak of their creative powers. It's just tough for me to think a fella of your taste could see that and not be blown away. I think Stewart and I had an offlist discussion c. 1994 about how INTRODUCING THE STYLE COUNCIL was one of the most misleading debuts ever - I love the whole thing, especially the lonnnnnng mix of "Long Hot Summer," but my interest waned quickly with the full-length debut and went to nil with the second album. And I have no use for Paul Weller's subsequent solo career at all. So my experience pretty much parallels Stewart's here. I don't know if I can express this eloquently, but I liked the R&B influence with the Jam material, back when Paul Weller sang like Paul Weller. The didacticism of the Style Council, along with heading in some musical directions I'm really not down with, was a combination that put me off, but at least he was still identifiably Paul Weller, albeit a jazzbo variant. But after the end of the Style Council, the more he tried to sound like a genuine soul singer, the less interesting he was to me. I liked the hybrid nature of stuff like "Beat Surrender" and "A Town Called Malice"; I remember hearing a single from WILD WOOD on the radio and I thought "who is this ersatz soul clown?" and I had to wait for the DJ to find out it was Paul Weller. That was a very sad day for me. It's not a perfect comparison, but it's sorta like how I'm most interested in Eurythmics when it's Annie's voice contrasted with the coldness of the synths, and I'm far less interested in them when they're trying to do straight-up R&B. I can buy some Sam Cooke or Aretha Franklin or Gladys Knight or whip out the Atlantic box or NIGHT TRAIN TO NASHVILLE if I want some real R&B. A lot of artists in the 2000s have righted themselves, remembering what they were good at in the first place and discovering how to integrate who they were with where they are now. Yeah, there are often cash rewards to be reaped from reuniting bands, but I can't believe someone could see something like the 2001 Roxy Music tour and not think "YEAH! That show was about *everything* Roxy Music is!" (especially if you got a setlist with "Mother of Pearl"). I'd love for Paul Weller to join that club. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:01:32 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem Some people don't like strawberry jam. I've met 'em. I have a Jam collection, but I really only know That's Entertainment and I'm not sure which version I've heard or I have. I guess I need to dig that out and listen to it some. Dennis On Dec 18, 2007 3:41 PM, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > On Dec 18, 2007 12:41 PM, Dennis Sacks wrote: > > So, uh in conclusion it sounds like if I get CAFE BLEU I'd be 3/4 of the > way > > there, but if I get the GOLD compilation, I'd be 100% good. > > I have a cd called CAFE BLUE (not BLEU) which has both the single and > album versions of "My Ever Changing Moods". I don't know if that's a > misprint > or another album. I think it's an import, but I'm pretty sure I > didn't pay more than five > bucks for it. The Style Council have released a lot of greatest hits > albums for a band > with just three good songs. > > I also have a Jam Greatest Hits CD that has the inferior album version of > "That's Entertainment". False advertising! If it's called GREATEST > HITS, it should have the single version. > > Not liking the Jam is weird. That's like saying you don't like strawberry > jam > (and I don't mean the Animal Collective album). > > -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:25:58 -0500 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late On Dec 18, 2007 5:55 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > It's not a perfect comparison, but it's sorta like how I'm most interested in Eurythmics when it's Annie's voice contrasted with the coldness of the synths, and I'm far less interested in them when they're trying to do straight-up R&B. I can buy some Sam Cooke or Aretha Franklin or Gladys Knight or whip out the Atlantic box or NIGHT TRAIN TO NASHVILLE if I want some real R&B. I agree completely. Annie Lennox has a great voice for some material (I think "Who's That Girl" is her peak), but she's downright embarrassing when she decides that she's going to whoop it up like Aretha. Didn't see The Jam, opening for BOC, but I did see Be-Bop Deluxe in that esteemed slot. MB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:56:35 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late On Dec 18, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > If you've never heard Camel, and like prog at all, > try THE SNOW GOOSE (a rare all-instrumental album > from them). Camel is kind of "gentle prog". > Pastoral Prog? Rain Dances or Mirage might work as well. Then on to The Geese and the Ghost by Anthony Phillips, Bedside Manners are Extra by Greenslade, and Space Shanty by Khan. (Insert mad proggy laughter) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:57:50 EST From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late In a message dated 12/18/2007 4:31:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dennis.sacks@gmail.com writes: So, on a whim I picked up a 2006 Midlake CD called *The Trials of Van Occupanther *at lunch. Listened to part of it on the way back to work. * *I didn't know people made music like this anymore. It sounds very 1970s British - sorta proggish, Alan Parson's Project-y - a little pretentious. I like it. Dennis Sacks I like it too. That track "Roscoe" is one of the best songs I heard this year. There's some Fleetwood Mac in there as well (thankfully sans Stevie Nicks). I am the eye in the sky, - --Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:56:34 -0800 From: "bradley skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] weighing in late > Rain Dances or Mirage might work as well. Then on to The Geese and the > Ghost by Anthony Phillips, Bedside Manners are Extra by Greenslade, and > Space Shanty by Khan. (Insert mad proggy laughter) I just spent a half an hour looking at Gentle Giant clips on youtube--there's something in the air! 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