From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #286 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, December 18 2007 Volume 07 : Number 286 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] style council problem [Scout82667@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] style council problem ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] style council problem ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] style council problem [Scout82667@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] style council problem [Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem Snark!! I like it! I don't, however, like the Style Council. I do, however, rank the Blue Oyster Cult catalog in my latest blog entry. http://www.flasshe.com/2007/12/16/warpage-in-the-figures/ Latre. --Rog >------- Original Message ------- >From : Scout82667@aol.com[mailto:Scout82667@aol.com] >Sent : 12/17/2007 8:05:49 AM >To : loud-fans@smoe.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem > >In a message dated 12/17/2007 1:04:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: Contrary to popular opinion, I really liked the Style Council up through the single "Have You Ever Had It Blue." I was doing Chinese in the food court at the mall, when I heard two redneck girls (both named Tammy, how odd) discussing their love of Kenny Chesney, and their amazement that you didn't like the Style Council. Then, when I was in the bathroom by Macy's blowing my nose I heard an elderly Asian man screaming into his cell phone in broken English by the hand dryer some angry words--I made out the words "Stewart Mason," and the phrase "flamingo man hate Style Council." This was followed by some spitting and agitation. Glad to know that everyone is wrong. Contrary to popular opinion, The Cappucino Kid really liked you up through your early articles in Amplifier, but didn't like you much after the magazine got more than five subscribers. M **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes ( http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004 ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:48:51 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Winston" > I don't, however, like the Style Council. Very few Jam fans do, which I've always thought is kind of weird. I've always thought that if you played the singles between "Absolute Beginners" and "Have You Ever Had It Blue?" for someone who was unfamiliar with both the Jam and the Style Council, they probably wouldn't be able to tell where one band ended and the other began. But for some reason, the general consensus among Jam fans has always been that the Style Council sucked from the get-go, whereas I personally think they didn't start sucking until THE COST OF LOVING. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:29:13 -0500 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] style council problem >> > I don't, however, like the Style Council. >>Very few Jam fans do, which I've always thought is kind of weird. >>I've always thought that if you played the singles between "Absolute >>Beginners" and "Have You Ever Had It Blue?" for someone who was >>unfamiliar with both the Jam and the Style Council, they probably >>wouldn't be able to tell where one band ended and the other began. I agree, but I also suspect that the very late Jam material doesn't necessarily rank very highly with people who consider themselves "Jam fans." Although I do love Bitterest Pill and Malice. >>But for some reason, the general consensus among Jam fans has always >>been that the Style Council sucked from the get-go, whereas I >>personally think they didn't start sucking until THE COST OF LOVING. This has been an intriguing thread for me, partly because a a firend of mine who was simultaneously very into living the punk orthodoxy and defying it always maintained that the "very first style council record" was actually really good. I see now that unless I get him to play the record he's talking about, I'll never be quite sure if I've heard it or not. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:30:42 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem Someone's off their meds again, I see. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:50:27 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem - ----- Original Message ----- From: "outbound-only email address" >>>Very few Jam fans do, which I've always thought is kind of weird. >>>I've always thought that if you played the singles between >>>"Absolute >>>Beginners" and "Have You Ever Had It Blue?" for someone who was >>>unfamiliar with both the Jam and the Style Council, they probably >>>wouldn't be able to tell where one band ended and the other began. > > I agree, but I also suspect that the very late Jam material doesn't > necessarily rank very highly with people who consider themselves > "Jam fans." > Although I do love Bitterest Pill and Malice. I think it depends strongly on whether you're connecting with the punk aspect or the neo-Mod aspect. As a lifelong Anglophile with a taste for vintage R&B, my point of entry for the Jam was that more Northern Soul aspect of their sound. In my musically Balkanized junior high, it wasn't the punk kids who were into the Jam, it was the kids who were also into Madness and the Specials. > > This has been an intriguing thread for me, partly because a a firend > of mine > who was simultaneously very into living the punk orthodoxy and > defying it > always maintained that the "very first style council record" was > actually > really good. I see now that unless I get him to play the record he's > talking > about, I'll never be quite sure if I've heard it or not. I guess he means the EP, INTRODUCING THE STYLE COUNCIL, which was a US compilation of their first three singles, "Speak Like A Child," "Long Hot Summer" and "Money-Go-Round." He's absolutely right: if anyone was going to get only one Style Council record, it would have to be that one. If you love "A Town Called Malice" and "The Bitterest Pill," "Speak Like A Child" and "Long Hot Summer" are totally up your alley. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:19:24 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem In a message dated 12/17/07 11:45:38 AM, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: > Someone's off their meds again, I see. > Yes, Mark, please spare us your clearly delusional notions that Stewart is some kind of pompous twit. That kind of thing simply isn't done. Also--He. Will. Kick. Your. Ass. It's "twit," right? I would've said "pompous ass," but that might lack the proper Pythonesque touch. ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:35:14 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem I always assumed it was liking the Blue Nile that made me a pompous twit. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:04:04 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem Naw, I like the Blue Nile, and I'm not a pompous twit. lol. Just like JRT to step in and whip up the drama a bit more. Sigh. Dennis On Dec 17, 2007 11:35 AM, Stewart Mason wrote: > I always assumed it was liking the Blue Nile that made me a pompous > twit. > > S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:25:35 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem In a message dated 12/17/07 1:39:32 PM, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: > I always assumed it was liking the Blue Nile that made me a pompous > twit. > That's right, Mrs. Dumont. The big joke was that you liked the Style Council. Really, we feel bad for even having a laugh about it now. ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:12:43 -0500 From: "Dave Walker" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem Fuckin' poseurs, the lot of ya. The real postpunk heresies were all committed by Mick Jones, don't ya know... Really, JRT, that was a really subpar effort on your part. Please resolve to troll better next time. -d.w. On 12/17/07, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/17/07 1:39:32 PM, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: > > > > I always assumed it was liking the Blue Nile that made me a pompous > > twit. > > > > That's right, Mrs. Dumont. The big joke was that you liked the Style > Council. > Really, we feel bad for even having a laugh about it now. > > > > > > > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:21:33 EST From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem In a message dated 12/17/2007 1:21:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JRT456@aol.com writes: Yes, Mark, please spare us your clearly delusional notions that Stewart is some kind of pompous twit. That kind of thing simply isn't done. Also--He. Will. Kick. Your. Ass. Whoa! I'm shakin.' Since Stewart doesn't talk to me directly, does this mean I should expect payback by a hired bald Metrosexual goon in Armani appearing at my door to pull a "Hitman" on me, clubbing me to death with vintage lawn flamingos? (now I'm imagining the eerie beauty of red dripping on pink) He struck a nerve, and I'm sorry, Stewart, for losing my cool. Stewart is an enigma--how can one simply not like HEAVY SOUL or STANLEY ROAD? I like the Jam and early Style Council too, but Weller has made lots of great music since he chopped off the uber bang and quit wearing the stovepipe houndstooth pants. But the horrible outfits (I mean, CRESTS?!) the band wore for THE COST OF LOVING are simply inexcusable. - --Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:22 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem outbound-only email address wrote: > > > I agree, but I also suspect that the very late Jam material doesn't > necessarily rank very highly with people who consider themselves "Jam fans." > Well, I consider myself a Jam fan, and I really like their late material, and the earliest Style Council stuff. And, yeah, I would agree that it's hard to tell where one left off and the other began. I always have to look to see who did "Party Chambers" and "Speak Like a Child", two songs I adore, particularly the former. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:09:51 -0500 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] style council problem Stewart: >> I think it depends strongly on whether you're connecting with the punk >> aspect or the neo-Mod aspect. As a lifelong Anglophile with a taste >> for vintage R&B, my point of entry for the Jam was that more Northern >> Soul aspect of their sound. In my musically Balkanized junior high, >> it wasn't the punk kids who were into the Jam, it was the kids who >> were also into Madness and the Specials. Fair 'nuff. I definitely came to Jam fandom wearing my punk sunglasses, so that colors how I see things. The first bona fide punks I knew were also into English Beat, the Specials and such, but from the first Madness was a guilty pleasure for them and the Style Council was on the other side of the orthodoxy wall. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:45:38 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem - ----- Original Message ----- From: > He > struck a nerve, and I'm sorry, Stewart, for losing my cool. > Stewart is an > enigma--how can one simply not like HEAVY SOUL or STANLEY ROAD? I just find them kinda boring. His solo records sound retro and nostalgic in a way that doesn't do it for me the way the Jam and the early Style Council records did, when he was taking the '60s and '70s influences and making modern-sounding records out of them. Sometimes artists evolve in directions that don't interest you as much, or someone you'd never much cared for before makes a record that knocks you out. So? S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:43:15 EST From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] style council problem In a message dated 12/17/2007 5:01:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: just find them kinda boring. His solo records sound retro and nostalgic in a way that doesn't do it for me the way the Jam and the early Style Council records did, when he was taking the '60s and '70s influences and making modern-sounding records out of them. Sometimes artists evolve in directions that don't interest you as much, or someone you'd never much cared for before makes a record that knocks you out. So? Point well taken. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to slide like Snoopy offscreen after Schroeder and Lucy glared at him in silence for doing his happy dance on Schroeder's piano in A CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS. And, Weller ain't so great. He never had his picture on a bubble gum card. The doctor is real in, M **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #286 *******************************