From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #283 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, December 14 2007 Volume 07 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL [Richard Gagnon ] Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL ["Steve Holtebeck" ] Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL [PunkRok ] Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL ["Dennis Sacks" ] Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:04:39 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL > Douglas wrote: > There is a program I use called... Well, there is a program I use called "iTunes" that readily converts m4a files to mp3 and back. And plays either one just fine. But maybe it's just a Mac thing. ;) Lobbying accusations before checking is all too easy, isn't it? Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:21:16 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL On Dec 13, 2007 11:04 AM, Richard Gagnon wrote: > Well, there is a program I use called "iTunes" that readily converts > m4a files to mp3 and back. And plays either one just fine. But maybe > it's just a Mac thing. ;) I don't think iTunes converts protected AAC files to mp3. Why would Apple have a product that overrides its own DRM? Maybe they do? When I directly transcode iTunes AACs to mp3, they always ends up sounding like crp. If I burn the tracks on a CD and rip them back as mp3s, then they sound okay. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:36:45 -0700 From: PunkRok Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL I have tried on both my pc and my mac, and the iTunes convert process does not convert protected (drm) AAC files. I typically use Steve's method, that way I have a hard copy as well (all though I am a bit of a freak, I always feel like I have to have a hard copy - one of those "I wanna touch it" things left over from a childhood where music was coveted, but rarely afforded). :) punkgirl On 12/13/07, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007 11:04 AM, Richard Gagnon wrote: > > Well, there is a program I use called "iTunes" that readily converts > > m4a files to mp3 and back. And plays either one just fine. But maybe > > it's just a Mac thing. ;) > > I don't think iTunes converts protected AAC files to mp3. Why would > Apple have a product that overrides its own DRM? > Maybe they do? > > When I directly transcode iTunes AACs to mp3, they always ends up > sounding like crp. > If I burn the tracks on a CD and rip them back as mp3s, then they sound > okay. > > -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:18:09 -0700 From: "Dennis Sacks" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL I'm pretty sure I've seen reference to this process being the way you have to defeat the iTunes DRM... On Dec 13, 2007 4:36 PM, PunkRok wrote: > I have tried on both my pc and my mac, and the iTunes convert process does > not convert protected (drm) AAC files. I typically use Steve's method, > that > way I have a hard copy as well (all though I am a bit of a freak, I always > feel like I have to have a hard copy - one of those "I wanna touch it" > things left over from a childhood where music was coveted, but rarely > afforded). > > :) > > punkgirl > > On 12/13/07, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > > > On Dec 13, 2007 11:04 AM, Richard Gagnon wrote: > > > Well, there is a program I use called "iTunes" that readily converts > > > m4a files to mp3 and back. And plays either one just fine. But maybe > > > it's just a Mac thing. ;) > > > > I don't think iTunes converts protected AAC files to mp3. Why would > > Apple have a product that overrides its own DRM? > > Maybe they do? > > > > When I directly transcode iTunes AACs to mp3, they always ends up > > sounding like crp. > > If I burn the tracks on a CD and rip them back as mp3s, then they sound > > okay. > > > > -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:48:56 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i CONTROL Dennis Sacks wrote: > I'm pretty sure I've seen reference to this process being the way you have > to defeat the iTunes DRM... > > It's not! And by ripping an MP3 or AAC to .wav, then back again will degrade the sound quality further. There is a program my husband uses to strip the DRM off my iTunes purchases, but I don't know the name of it and he's asleep. I'll ask him. Basically, it will capture a playback of the file, which can then be saved. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #283 *******************************