From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #151 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, June 26 2007 Volume 07 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism [Scout82667@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] old stuff revisited [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] monster.com question ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] monster.com question [Scout82667@aol.com] [loud-fans] song from the 88 GT tour vid - Madison [robert toren ] Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism ["rslloyd" ] Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism ["Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] old stuff revisited Scout82667@aol.com wrote: > I highly recommend doing this maybe > once every few years--go through your old vinyl and play something you > haven't heard in maybe 20+ years. I don't own any vinyl that hasn't been played in 20 years! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:28:04 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism At Monday 6/25/2007 01:21 AM, Scout82667@aol.com wrote: >--Mark, glad to have no more infected tonsils, but would like his uvula back >(the doc took it upon himself to remove this, without my consent Was that the palantine uvula, or the uvula of urinary bladder? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula I think "NoUvula@aol.com" would make a good e-mail address for the next time you change. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:59:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Rog: >Was that the palantine uvula I think the Palantine Uvula was a Habsburg possession. So I'm leaving Dallas today after a long weekend here, and I'm realizing that I really don't know whose version of Jimmie Dale Gilmore's "Dallas" is the most familiar... I know it's a Flatlanders song, and that Ely and Gilmore both have done their own solo versions, but I'm sure plenty of more mainstream country artists have done it, and I'm feeling stupid for not remembering which ones. I actually first heard it covered by David Byrne at a live show. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:23:58 -0400 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] music industry optimism? Boston - Rock'n'Roll Band Byrds - So You Want to Be a Rock'n'Roll Star Rush - Spirit of Radio and...? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:58:49 -0700 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism On 6/24/07, Jenny Grover wrote: > zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > > Well my buddy Jim Bass he's a-workin' pumpin gas, > > And he makes two fifty for an hour. > > > > I always thought he was saying, "And he makes $2.54 an hour." LOL The CA state minimum wage was $3.00/hr in the summer of '79 when this song was on the radio, so even at $2.54, he wasn't being paid fairly. Kanan is in the San Fernando Valley.. And Jimmie Dale Gilmore's '"Dallas" was actually written by Butch Hancock.. There are solo versions by all three Flatlanders. I think some mainstream country performer like Waylon Jennings had a hit with it. I first heard it by R.E.M. and Billy Bragg on that Bingo Handjob tape - -Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:37:37 -0400 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Steve said: And Jimmie Dale Gilmore's '"Dallas" was actually written by Butch Hancock.. There are solo versions by all three Flatlanders. I think some mainstream country performer like Waylon Jennings had a hit with it. I first heard it by R.E.M. and Billy Bragg on that Bingo Handjob tape Love the song. If I recall correctly, Paul Kelly did one called "Sydney from a 727" - I wonder who else has covered it ..? I think I may have first heard the song on the R.E.M./Billy Bragg "Mountain Stage" broadcast - - was that the same one to which you're referring? I apologize if this is going to the wrong people, I don't understand our new reply-to: system.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:08:49 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism In a message dated 6/25/2007 8:42:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: I think "NoUvula@aol.com" would make a good e-mail address for the next time you change. I just checked the system, Rog, and _Imajackass@aol.com_ (mailto:Imajackass@aol.com) is not in use, if you're interested. Spater, - --Mark' ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:01:26 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Scout82667@aol.com on 6/25/2007 10:08:49 AM wrote: >I just checked the system, Rog, and > _Imajackass@aol.com_ ( mailto:Imajackass@aol.com ) >is not in use, if you're interested. Thanks, but I gave up AOL when I turned 40 and ate Thai food for the first time. Besides, I'd be more inclined to use ImAnAsshole@aol.com. Sorry about the missing uvula, BTW. I'd go for the lawsuit, if I were you! Latre, Spatre --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:41:30 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] monster.com question I have a question about Monster. Every time I put my resume on there, I only get responses from insurance companies to be a salesman. I just got one from Bankers LIfe and Casualty. Is this typical of Monster, where these outfits send EVERYONE interview invites who puts their resume on there, or is this something that is actually more legit/more targeted to my actual resume content? Businessmen are okay, - --Mark, who worked at an insurance company in the early '90s, but took some insurance courses and became disillusioned when I realized they were all about weaseling out of paying a claim, and they could give a rat's pecker about helping people in need np Split Enz WAIATA (side 2) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:06:23 -0700 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: [loud-fans] Dallas On 6/25/07, Michael Zwirn wrote: > Steve said: > > And Jimmie Dale Gilmore's '"Dallas" was actually written by Butch > Hancock.. There are solo versions by all three Flatlanders. I think > some mainstream country performer like Waylon Jennings had a hit with > it. I first heard it by R.E.M. and Billy Bragg on that Bingo Handjob > tape > > Love the song. If I recall correctly, Paul Kelly did one called "Sydney > from a 727" - I wonder who else has covered it ..? I think I may have > first heard the song on the R.E.M./Billy Bragg "Mountain Stage" broadcast > - was that the same one to which you're referring? I was thinking of the show at the London Borderline (3/14-15/91), but it was a regular on the Out of Time promo tour.. The bootleg credits the song to Butch Hancock, but AMG and other sources credit it to JD Gilmore. Work day productivity has probably gone way down since Google bought YouTube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh-tyM0ApRI - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:12:16 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] monster.com question Scout82667@aol.com on 6/25/2007 11:41:30 AM wrote: >I have a question about Monster. Every time I >put my resume on there, I only get responses >from insurance companies to be a salesman. This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Somebody's trying to tell you something! >I realized they were all about weaseling out >of paying a claim, and they could give a rat's >pecker about helping people in need Very true. The Long Term Care insurance companies are the worst. They bank on the fact that the senior citizens who put in a claim will give up trying to get all the paperwork submitted from the various institutions. Only the really smart/tenacious ones (rare for people who need to make an LTC claim) or the ones with younger advocates ever actually get paid. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:54:54 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] monster.com question In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:20:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Somebody's trying to tell you something! What are they trying to tell me? That I'm not employable outside of teaching or delivery, other than as a snake oil salesman in a coat and tie providing false hope and false security to struggling people? How is this funny? It's the height of tragedy from my vantage point. - --Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: robert toren Subject: [loud-fans] song from the 88 GT tour vid - Madison about 2/5s into the 88 GT tour video, at the same Madison, WI club where the whole shameful "We got'em by the BALLS!!" incident played out (Gil, you should tell the story behind that sometime), there's a 30-sec shot of the dark club interior settling ultimately on our sound-person, Deanne, discussing the sound board with the club sound guy - there's a loud up-tempo song playing - recording that song was main reason I grabbed that shot, so i could hunt it down later on - almost 20 years later I still don't know who it is... anyone...? thanks, Robert (on vacation in Oregon, somewhere between Reedsport and Newport) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:45:15 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] monster.com question Scout82667@aol.com on 6/25/2007 1:54:54 PM wrote: >What are they trying to tell me? >That I'm not employable outside of >teaching or delivery, other than as >a snake oil salesman in a coat and >tie providing false hope and false >security to struggling people? How >is this funny? It's the height of >tragedy from my vantage point. Sounds more like Comedy than Tragedy to me. According to the "Comedy" entry in Wikipedia: - ----------------------- In the theater, its Western origins are in ancient Greece tragedy, a genre characterised by a grave fall from grace by a protagonist having high social standing. Comedy, by contrast, portrays a conflict or agon (Classical Greek a Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Are the lyrics gone from the Loud Family Web site? I couldn't find them just now. In any case, Loud Family's "Soul D.C." had that line "I don't want capital whispering in my ear," which was likely meant to refer to Capitol Records as well? Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Tim Walters > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:30 PM > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism > > Sex Pistols: "EMI" > Graham Parker: "Mercury Poisoning" > John Fogerty: "Zanz Kant Danz" (or however it was spelled pre-lawsuit...) > > Any others that call out the villains by name? > > -- > Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:06:33 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holtebeck" > And Jimmie Dale Gilmore's '"Dallas" was actually written by Butch > Hancock. I've never heard any indication that it wasn't written by Gilmore. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry optimism? > Boston - Rock'n'Roll Band > Byrds - So You Want to Be a Rock'n'Roll Star > Rush - Spirit of Radio I always found the second one pretty sarcastic. You can throw BTO's "Takin' Care of Business" on the pile, though. I sometimes see Norman Durkee, the pianist on that cut, walking down University Way in Seattle. He got 96 bucks. Wondering why Mark's crusing monster.com when he's already got two jobs, Andy MD: There are lots of rumors about the recording of "Taking Care of Business". Can you tell me the real story? RB: Here's Randy's version of the story. We were encased in the studio, and the pizza guy delivers our pizza. He hears us recording the song and says, "Hey, that needs piano!" Randy asks him if he can play. He does, and he goes into the studio and does one take. We think that's cool, pay for the pizza, give him a tip and he leaves. Then Randy realizes that we have to pay this guy for the session! Randy and the president of Mercury Records sit down with the yellow pages and phone every pizza parlor in Seattle until 4 in the morning asking if they had a pizza delivered to Casement Studios by a guy who can play piano. Here's the real story... We're in the studio recording "Taking Care of Business". In the next studio is a guy working with Steve Miller. He hears the song as he's walking back and forth getting coffee. He sticks his head in and says, "That needs piano! A real boogie-woogie piano would sound cool." The he leaves. We're looking around for him, asking, "Where's that piano guy?" So Buzz Richmond, the engineer, tells us that he's working next door and he'll go get him. So he comes back, and asks us if we want piano on the song. He asks us how long the song is, and we tell him about five minutes. "Well," he says, "I only have six." He then picks up a pizza box, proceeds to write the chord progression on the cardboard box, puts it down on the piano, and plays it once. It sounds great. He then asks us to send him a check and he leaves us his card. The fellow's name is Norman Durkee. He's a musical director for Bette Midler and Barry Manilow. We credited him on the album. We just did a album where we took live recordings that we mixed to sound like a studio album, replayed all the stuff and sang everything on there. I flew down to Seattle and contacted Norman and he played piano on this version of "Taking Care of Business" with the same workers, in the same studio where we originally recorded it in 1974. And, next door in the studio, at the same time, was Steve Miller! The studio manager was amazed. There's some synergy for ya - better story than the one about the pizza guy. I have to explain this to Norman because the Pizza Guy story is now famous legend and in Randy's book and DVD. Here's some more of the truth. When Norman was starting out, he was doing the music and was the musical director for a stage show that was coming through Seattle at the Paramount, with an unknown, wonderful singer and actress named Bette Midler. They were rehearsing this Bob Dylan song called "I Shall Be Released". He starts playing, she starts singing the song, and all of a sudden she starts crying! He thinks to himself, "Oh fuck, I'm fired now." He stops playing, "I'm sorry Miss Midler, what's wrong?" And she says, "I've never heard emotion come out of a piano like that before! It's just making me so sad. Someone else is going to have to play for me onstage, because if you're playing for me, I'll be crying!" Norman replies, "Well, that may be good for the show!" Two years later, she phones Norman and tells him, "I'm flying in with my piano player and the president of Atlantic Records. I need you to teach us "I Shall Be Released" on piano." They fly in. She puts down her piano player, "Norman! Teach this fag how to play!" It was Barry Manilow. Here's some more Norman Durkee-style trivia for ya. When I was in school doing physics and calculus, the guy next to me sharing the same slide rule was Ted Bundy. Now isn't that a better story than the Pizza Guy story? The truth is, both of those stories together are much better than the story about some guy saying " I think can play that" and leaving. - --Robin Bachman of Bachman-Turner Overdrive, from an interview by Mark After Dark at http://www.newyorkwaste.com/nyw_main/music/markdark03.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:34:36 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry optimism? In a message dated 6/25/2007 6:53:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zoom@muppetlabs.com writes: Wondering why Mark's crusing monster.com when he's already got two jobs, Well, Andy, I'd like more income. I love what I do, but being an aide only pays 18,200 a year. Being a regular teacher pays significantly better, but I'm not sure I'm up to the task--I don't do well under stress--I have some problems with anxiety (I have to take meds for it). Delivering pizza as a second job, I probably make like, a gross income per year of the two jobs combined (working one day a week--sometimes two--during the school year and all during the summer) of about 25,000. I need to help out my mom more monetarily--all she has is Social Security, and, even though I pay her rent, we're just barely able to keep the house, and I need to start saving for retirement and I simply must get student loans paid off. I just can't do it on my income. I'm scraping by. My brother has been good in that he's offered to buy my mom a condo, but she has to move to LA (why he won't buy her one here, I don't know), and my mom doesn't want to live out there. My sister is well, out of the picture. I've since disowned her and adopted Jen as my new sister. - --Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:45:41 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry optimism? Scout82667@aol.com wrote: > My sister is well, out of the picture. I've since disowned > her and adopted Jen as my new sister. > And as far as helping Mark and his mom out at all financially, well, that ain't gonna happen unless I win some lottery without ever playing it. You could also call me the "sister" who has only ever met her "brother" once, and never met "mom" at all! LOL! Just comes down to Mark wishing his real sister could manage to not be hateful, and have good taste in music (though, for that matter, Mark and I tend to disagree a fair amount about music). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:41:20 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry optimism? In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:01:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sleeveless@zoominternet.net writes: And as far as helping Mark and his mom out at all financially, well, that ain't gonna happen unless I win some lottery without ever playing it. You could also call me the "sister" who has only ever met her "brother" once, and never met "mom" at all! LOL! Just comes down to Mark wishing his real sister could manage to not be hateful, and have good taste in music (though, for that matter, Mark and I tend to disagree a fair amount about music). I'm like a cat choosing an owner and hanging around, waiting for a food and water bowl to appear. I've chosen you as my sister. There is no questioning me. The decision has been made. I don't want any money, and don't really care about musical taste/differences--just someone to listen, and you've been great in that department. Much better than the "real" one. Even though I've only met you in person once, we've spent a great deal of time communicating via technology. To the entire list I'll say that you're a great person, and I'm lucky to know you and it was a pleasure to meet you! If you ever have a chance to meet Jen, do so! She's great company. I'm reminded of a scene on ABFAB where Patsy says to Saffy, "You may dress like a Christian, but the similarity ends there." That's a pretty accurate description of my "real" sister. She's a sad being. I really should feel sorry for her, but the very thought of her--especially her treatment of/abandonment of my mother, in her old age, makes me sick. If I saw her walk down the street now, I'd go the other way and try to avoid her (incidentally, I saw her in traffic with her husband once last year--I turned right in front of them and stared directly at her at an intersection, and she pretended like she didn't see me--actually she tried pointing to something in the distance that didn't exist to her husband to give reason to look another direction--and I'm the immature sibling--whatever). Oh well, it's her karma. I wouldn't want to be her from her treatment of my mother and I I don't use the word bitch with just anyone. I don't throw that word around much. But, the truth is what it is. She's a bitch. I've gone as far as I would like to go into familial matters here (yes, even I have my limits), but I have to say that you've been good to me over the past few years, (and even scolded me a couple of times when I needed it!--that means you care) and I'm glad you're there for me, and glad that you're on here. Also, babe, you think I get cards from anyone in my "real" family, besides me mum? No, but I'm almost certain to get one from you! You da best, M ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #151 *******************************