From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #148 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, June 23 2007 Volume 07 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] re: music industry cynicism [Russ Lewis ] Re: [loud-fans] re: music industry cynicism [John Swartzentruber Subject: [loud-fans] re: music industry cynicism Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper -- "Where the Hell's My Money?" The music industry is like swimming in a toilet filled with sharks. -- Iggy Pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:36:31 -0400 From: John Swartzentruber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] re: music industry cynicism Another Crack The Sky: "We Want Mine" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:25:31 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: RE: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism In a message dated 6/20/2007 1:08:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, amilenski@hotmail.com writes: Listmember Douglas Crist asked me to mention "Sellout" by Juliana Hatfield, who has certainly had her share of letdowns from the record industry. MADE IN CHINA to me is a cynical depress-a-thon, and having a sour persimmons bitchfest may make you seem artistic and deep or jaded and hip, but you can (at least speaking for myself) reach your threshold of tolerance for negativity--then you want to scream for the artist you're listening to to be positive and life-affirming, and at least a little bit hopeful--to snap out of it. Though I love Juliana Hatfield, I think her 15 minutes ended around the time Ethan Hawke got that weird wrinkle on his forehead, and Janeane Garofalo quit looking like Bettie Page and started looking like a heroin addict Plus, I think her quirkiness has doomed her to be locked into a time and place--where her dwindling fan base were at cognitively/maturation wise at a certain time of their lives--she's locked somewhere in a food court in an East Coast mall in 1994 forever wearing Levis and a faded plum colored t-shirt. The brats have grown up and are now taking their kids to see BRATZ. I can't listen to some artists because of such a strong association with a time--the new Dolores O'Riordan album I think is good, but it makes me think too much of the nineties--teens and twenty-somethings wearing Doc Martens and Dickies, while at the same time supposedly rejecting commercialism, and brand labels and striving to be "indie." Isn't that just precious? Where have you gone Andrew Ridgeley, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you, - --Mark, who enjoyed MUSIC AND LYRICS--the best part of the film was the faux '80s vid from the (as real as some other period bands of the time) band POP!--it was so authentic, they must've tracked down videotape and accompanying equipment from the era--or they had really good computer emulation from masterful techs with a good eye for detail p.s. Three cynical songs come to mind: That opening track on GOLD AFTERNOON FIX, "Pharoah," where Kilbey sings "Hi to all the people that are selling me/Here's one straight from the factory"--as well as from his solo album THE SLOW CRACK where he sings, on the song "A Minute Without You": "Madison Ave. choked by dust/Don't wanna be there, but I know I must." Then there's that Smiths song on STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME, "Paint a Vulgar Picture," where Moz sings, "Extra track, and a tacky badge." Lyrics to the song "Send Money" from MADE IN CHINA: When you talk to god Tell him I said hi But he donbt need to bless me Because I am all right already Would you kill for Jesus When youbve never met The man youbve only read about I want proof because Ibm full of doubt Save yourself Save yourself If you want to pray for me Tell God to send me some money Save yourself Save yourself If you want to pray for me Tell God to send me some money Donbt I wish you could do my thinking for me But it doesnbt work that way And this marriage is not officially ordained We just love each other And I am an unwed mother I love the world I love my beautiful girls Save yourselfb& [www.lyricsmania.com] ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: FW: RE: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism > That opening track on GOLD AFTERNOON FIX, "Pharoah," where Kilbey sings > "Hi > to all the people that are selling me/Here's one straight from the > factory"--as well as from his solo album THE SLOW CRACK where he sings, on > the > song "A > Minute Without You": "Madison Ave. choked by dust/Don't wanna be there, > but I > know I must." Wild Man Fischer's "Don't Be A Singer" and "Watch Out For The Sharks" come to mind. Produced for Larry's PRONOUNCED NORMAL album by Barnes & Barnes, who later covered "Don't Be A Singer" on their own AMAZING ADULT FANTASY album. Silly me, I thought Mark was talking about the movie called MADE IN CHINA, Andy "Guns N' Roses, APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION Nirvana, NEVERMIND The Pixies, SURFER ROSA The Shins, CHUTES TOO NARROW The Silver Jews, AMERICAN WATER The Smiths, THE QUEEN IS DEAD The Strokes, THIS IS IT U2, THE JOSHUA TREE" - --John Sellers' list of the eight "dinger" albums in rock, "dinger" defined as "an album that lacks a song (or more commonly, songs) that you tire of in five plays or fewer." From Appendix A of his book PERFECT FROM NOW ON: HOW INDIE ROCK SAVED MY LIFE ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #148 *******************************