From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #146 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, June 21 2007 Volume 07 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Nancy Drew tunes [Scout82667@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Nancy Drew tunes ["Sgt. Cockring" ] [loud-fans] how about some music talk? ["outbound-only email address" ] [loud-fans] music industry cynicism ["outbound-only email address" ] Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism [Mike Curley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:40:30 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Nancy Drew tunes In a message dated 6/19/2007 10:04:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sgtcockring@gmail.com writes: What does this mean? Anyone? Sarge, I'm sorry if what I wrote is too abstract for you to understand. You know, it's a fact of life. Some people just don't get irony, and some people never get beyond concrete operations. Perhaps some blood trapped "down there" needs to be freed and returned above the waistline, to get maximum synaptic firing going underneath that crewcut, sunshine. It's sad when I see a child try social climbing by ridiculing another in front of peers (insert elementary school recess playground scenario here--though admittedly, social psychology is fascinating). Sadder still is when it's an adult doing it. Even sadder is when that person isn't even real. Even sadder still is when it's an adult person who is pretending to be an adult person who isn't real trying to social climb by ridiculing another. Alas, this may be all too complicated for you to understand. In my years as a perpetual student I've racked up the equivalent of a Master's, while you were waiting for your next shipment of mags and toys to arrive from Brush Creek Media. What does this mean, Cockring? Perhaps the ORIGINAL, the REAL Sargeant Cockring would have the answer. "Nothing is sadder than the tears of a make-believe girl," or the giz held back from a make-believe dick in a make-believe leather strap. Or perhaps more dangerous. If you don't beliieve me, call your make-believe urologist. Oh, and as for the "junior-diva" thing: I'm more man than you'll ever be and more woman than you'll ever make-believe fuck. I'm postgraduate diva, babe. I love a man in uniform (real ones, not make-believe ones) - --Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:44:24 -0400 From: "Sgt. Cockring" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Nancy Drew tunes Ah. Irony. Well, that clears it up, sort of. "It's just a little rule of mine: If you wanna be me, then you have to pay all my bills. Shall I send them on? " is intended to be amusing because....nobody wants to be you? Nobody pays your bills? Bit of a nonsequiteur. No harm. That social climbing playground stuff is confusing! Do unreal people climb fictional social ladders? Do social ladders even exist? Was the original Sarge a successful social climber? An imaginary degree is a qualification? Sarge is really unreal pretending to be an unreal imitation, really real, really? A fictional urologist would find one of the Sarges dangerous? You win, dude! Deep, deep thoughts. Mark, you really should blog. You can make money from this stuff! "The Cockring Files" nets a nice sum from targeted ads and clickthroughs. It's easy. Off to Google Brush Creek Media and gather a fuller understanding of the StapleScape. A salute to polite fictional society, - --Sarge On 6/20/07, Scout82667@aol.com wrote: > > Some people just don't get irony, and some > people never get beyond concrete operations. Perhaps some blood trapped "down there" needs to be freed and returned above the waistline, to get maximum synaptic firing going underneath that crewcut, sunshine. It's sad when I see a child try social climbing by ridiculing another in front of peers (insert elementary school recess playground scenario here--though admittedly, social psychology is fascinating). Sadder still is when it's an adult doing it. Even sadder is when that person isn't even real. Even sadder still is when it's an adult person who is pretending to be an adult person who isn't real trying to social climb by ridiculing another. Alas, this may be all too complicated for you to understand. In my years as a perpetual student I've racked up the equivalent of a Master's, while you were waiting for your next shipment of mags and toys to arrive from Brush Creek Media. What does this mean, Cockring? Perhaps the ORIGINAL, the REAL Sargeant Cockring would have the answer. "Nothing is sadder than the tears of a make-believe girl," or the giz held back from a make-believe dick in a make-believe leather strap. Or perhaps more dangerous. If you don't beliieve me, call your make-believe urologist. Oh, and as for the "junior-diva" thing: I'm more man than you'll ever be and more woman than you'll ever make-believe fuck. I'm postgraduate diva, babe. I love a man in uniform (real ones, not make-believe ones) - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:52:47 -0400 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] how about some music talk? I was initially a little disappointed by the new Steve Barton, "Flicker of Time" (ex-Translator). I got it from eMusic, so I don't have liner notes and production credits, but it sounds less like a band record (and a little more lo-fi) than 2005's "Charm Offensive." But after a little more time with it, I think he's come up with another ace batch of tunes. One of the things that continues to impress me about him is how convincing he is in both of his primary songwriting modes, despite how different they are. He's got the spiky new wave with-a-dash-of-punk (Translator's signature "Everywhere That I'm Not" doubtless being the best known examplar) and he's got the chimey/jangly Beatles-y/Byrds-y thing, and it doesn't seem quite fair that he still does them both so well after all these years. "You Make Me Smile As Big As I Can" is pretty much a lock for my year's best comp, if I can manage one this year. (I'm still struggling to trim 2006 down to 20 tunes or so). In other Barton news, those Translator reissues are finally out, and available at midline prices. Very skimpy on the liner notes, but they fill in all the gaps in the discography, mostly of which are non-essential, although the 12" appended to their weakest outing "No Time Like Now" is a definite asset. * The new Shriekback, Glory Bumps, is still disappointing me, probably because the teaser EP "Having a Moment" (available free with orders of the new one while supplies last) was so darned good. It's alleged to be a return to the dense, propulsive sound of "Oil & Gold" and "Big Night Music" and it is, but I feel like the hooks aren't quite there. Maybe repeated listens will reveal them. The packaging is stunning though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:25:13 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how about some music talk? At Wednesday 6/20/2007 06:52 AM, outbound-only email address wrote: >The new Shriekback, Glory Bumps, is still disappointing me, probably because >the teaser EP "Having a Moment" (available free with orders of the new one >while supplies last) was so darned good. It's alleged to be a return to the >dense, propulsive sound of "Oil & Gold" and "Big Night Music" and it is, but >I feel like the hooks aren't quite there. Maybe repeated listens will reveal >them. The packaging is stunning though. I just ordered this one as an import from CD Universe a few days ago - I hope it has the bonus EP. I would certainly welcome a return to the OIL & GOLD era, but I just don't see it happening. Can't wait to hear it though. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:40:51 -0400 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how about some music talk? Rog: > I just ordered this one as an import from CD Universe a few days ago - I > hope it has the bonus EP. I would certainly welcome a return to the OIL & > I meant to link it up, but I had an impromptu meeting and sent the email sans link, although I was too late to help you out anyway. But I think the bonus EP is only available if you order direct from malicious damage and request it in the order comments: http://www.maliciousdamage.biz FWIW they were pretty snappy with the small packet airmail fulfillment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:46:35 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how about some music talk? In a message dated 6/20/07 8:54:45 AM, eeimmnno@antithetical.org writes: > In other Barton news, those Translator reissues are finally out, and > available at midline prices. > Another reminder that you might want to put off buying those US reissues in favor of the upcoming 2-disc UK comp. It has all the first, second, and fourth albums, and the best tracks off the third, and some of those bonus tracks on the Wounded Bird reissues. Wounded Bird, however, remains the place to go for your reissue of Dirk Hamilton's THUG OF LOVE. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:03:36 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how about some music talk? dmw on 6/20/2007 7:40:51 AM wrote: >But I think the bonus EP is only >available if you order direct from >malicious damage and request it in >the order comments: > >http://www.maliciousdamage.biz Yeah, that's what it looks like. Oh well, I think I can live without it. I'm sure it will turn up again somewhere. Even if I hadn't already ordered a copy of GLORY BUMPS from another vendor, I'm not sure I'd be one of those first 100 to order from MD and get the EP... Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:11:47 -0700 From: Dennis Sacks Subject: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism I was listening to Uncle Tupelo on the way to work today and listening to 'we've been had' in particular, I wondered what other songs express a cynicism of the music industry. The only other song I could think of is 'funk pop a roll' by XTC. What other good ones are there? Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:27:40 -0400 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Dennis: > I was listening to Uncle Tupelo on the way to work today and listening > to 'we've been had' in particular, I wondered what other songs express a > cynicism of the music industry. The only other song I could think of is > 'funk pop a roll' by XTC. What other good ones are there? I think I could come up with several dozen, but some of the first that come to mind are: the Clash's "Complete Control," the Pistols' "EMI", much of Aimee Mann's post-Til Tuesday career, Pedro the Lion's "Penetration" (and others), Local H's "Rock'n'roll Professionals" (among others), a lot of Fugazi's catalog ("5 Corporations", "Merchandise" are especially apropos), "Gold" by whoever did that ("people out there turning music into gold, into gold"), Dr Hook's "Cover of the Rolling Stone", Dire Straits "Money for Nothing", and more than a few songs by that Scott Miller guy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:37:44 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism > > I was listening to Uncle Tupelo on the way to work today and listening > > to 'we've been had' in particular, I wondered what other songs express a > > cynicism of the music industry. The only other song I could think of is > > 'funk pop a roll' by XTC. What other good ones are there? The first and, in my opinion, most powerful, is Melanie's "Look What They've Done To My Song, Ma." _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:51:29 -0400 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism OK, one more then lunhc break is over. You could argue the "good" I spose but I think Crack the Sky deserves some sort of award for having the biggest proportion of music industry cynicism songs in their oeuvre. E.g., "Poptown" "The Radio Cries (It's Singles Time)" "Techni-generation," and "White Music" are all on the album of the same name. Also, I have to mention The Graverobbers "I Hate the Radio" in the hopes it will inspire somebody to go hear it. And I just remembered the Dead Kennedys, and for that matter the Dead Milkmen, explored music industry cynicism in song form on multiple occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:02:30 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: FW: RE: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Listmember Douglas Crist asked me to mention "Sellout" by Juliana Hatfield, who has certainly had her share of letdowns from the record industry. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:27:53 -0400 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism > Listmember Douglas Crist asked me to mention "Sellout" by > Juliana Hatfield, who has certainly had her share of > letdowns from the record industry. Which of course reminds me of Melissa Ferrick's terrific "Girls with Guitars," which is about the marketing of both women's music. Also: Spoon's "Lafitte Don't Fail Me Now" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:21:35 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism On 6/20/07, Aaron Milenski wrote: > > > > I was listening to Uncle Tupelo on the way to work today and listening > > > to 'we've been had' in particular, I wondered what other songs express > a > > > cynicism of the music industry. The only other song I could think of > is > > > 'funk pop a roll' by XTC. What other good ones are there? > > The first and, in my opinion, most powerful, is Melanie's "Look What > They've > Done > To My Song, Ma." You can add just about every song on Tom Petty's THE LAST DJ. Lurkin' Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:27:38 -0400 From: "Amy Lewis" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism > Which of course reminds me of Melissa Ferrick's terrific "Girls with > Guitars," which is about the marketing of both women's music. Poundcake's "Statue of Liberty" is another reaction to the Women in Rock hype in the '90s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:05:44 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism In a message dated 6/20/2007 1:32:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eeimmnno@antithetical.org writes: Which of course reminds me of Melissa Ferrick's terrific "Girls with Guitars," which is about the marketing of both women's music. Also: Spoon's "Lafitte Don't Fail Me Now" Cut Your Hair, Pavement. Andrea ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Curley Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Of course, there are the obvious choices... Pink Floyd - Have a Cigar Elvis Costello - Radio Radio And then there are the less obvious ones such as The Bevis Frond - What Did For the Dinosaurs/Dustbins in the Rain R.E.M. - Pretty Persuasion (...well Stipe might be saying something about Music Biz scum, who knows?) Mike ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:18:43 -0700 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism I keep thinking George Harrison's "Blood From a Clone". Don't know how many people remember that song, even if it is by a Beatle. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music industry cynicism Sex Pistols: "EMI" Graham Parker: "Mercury Poisoning" John Fogerty: "Zanz Kant Danz" (or however it was spelled pre-lawsuit...) Any others that call out the villains by name? - -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SIFF 2007's a wrap > Cool! The director said at Toronto last year that the lawyers had > insisted it be removed from future prints, but apparently it's still > okay on the festival circuit. Note to those who haven't seen it: the > post-credits coda of this movie, about self-styled urban guerrillas, > is a short with the film's editor, Flick Harrison, demonstrating how > to make a Molotov Cocktail, which is a plot point in the movie itself. > He does the entire thing in rather poor French, and it's oddly > endearing...not least because he can't get any of the bloody things to > work after he makes them. Yeah, I didn't understand putting it in French, but I chuckled. The lawyers must assume nobody's read THE ANARCHIST COOKBOOK. No, wait, if they're Canadian lawyers, they might have a point, since I wouldn't be surprised if that book's banned in Canada. These days of course anybody with a connection can Google "Molotov cocktail"--or just Wiki Wiki Wiki Wiki... > Good movie overall, starring two of my favorite Canadian actors, Don > McKellar and Tracy Wright. It also pulls off the neat trick of a > movie that's simultaneously sympathetic to its characters and utterly > mocking of them as well. I'll suggest as the next course Dana Spiotta's novel EAT THE DOCUMENT, covering some of the same territory: underground radicals sweating it out, wondering if they were right or wrong, watching the world grind by without them. And a teenage Beach Boys fanatic, to make it complete, Andy "This pill was named 'Gorgeous Pill' because it turns a user prettier every time the pill was taken. The user will gradually look PERFECT, even more gorgeous than super models. You will one day reach PHYSICAL PERFECTION!!" - --from http://www.incrediblecures.com/eternallife/gorgeouspil.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] A Beatle reunion (sorta) ! Gil thinks this could be interesting! Gil From the IMDB: "In what amounts to the first Beatles reunion -- of sorts -- Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Yoko Ono Lennon, and Olivia Harrison will be interviewed together on Larry King Live next Tuesday. Joining them will be Cirque du Soleil founder and CEO Guy Laliberti, whose Love show at The Mirage Hotel in Las Vegas, featuring digitally remixed recordings of the Beatles' music, is celebrating its one-year anniversary. Reporting on the telecast, Orlando Sentinel TV columnist Hal Boedeker commented, "McCartney and Ono together? That's a must-see, isn't it?" " ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #146 *******************************