From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #139 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, June 14 2007 Volume 07 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) [Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) 2fs wrote: >> Ringo = _Flo._ >> >> I don't know the TV series, so I can't comment. >> > > > My guess is that show ran for like two episodes. Ha ha. > > > Then I still don't get it. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:37:56 -0400 From: "Paul King" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) Thanks, Jeff, for some insight. But if you are right about most of what you say, then I would say that Klosterman set his own rules too high, since I was looking for signs of real insight into the musicians or the TV series they were paired with. If bands/musicians are only paired because of superficialities, for example (Hendrix and Twilight Zone are both weird, look no deeper into the association), or that both Ringo and the series Flo petered out early on (look no deeper there either), then Klosterman's "rules" for making these associations were a waste of his time. Indeed, "George" Harrison and "George" Jefferson can be paired merely because they have the same first names. To quote Russ quoting Klosterman: > The goal is to figure out which > television show is the closest philosophical analogy to a specific > rock and roll band, and the criteria are mind-blowingly complex. It seems that there is hardly any real criteria at all. It also seems that for this article to work, as Jeff says, Klosterman needs an editor. Badly. Paul King > On 6/12/07, Paul King wrote: > > > > > > > > > To quote further from Chuck Klosterman, once he and his friends were > > > sufficiently smoked up, I found it necessary to mention that > > > > > the Rolling Stones are _Gunsmoke._ > > > > However, I can't see the Stones paired with any western that exists. And > > would > > I be wrong to pair the Stones with Bonanza? Why/Why not? The Stones are > > *heavily* blues influenced, why the choice of a western? > > > I think the common thread is that Gunsmoke had the longest run of any > non-Simpsons TV show... > > > > The Strokes are Kiefer Sutherland's _24._ > > > Cuz Kiefer's the son of Donald, and many of the Strokes are sons of folks in > the record biz... > > > > Jimi Hendrix was _The Twilight Zone._ > > > > Hendrix was another blues-influenced rocker. A little out-there, like the > > TV > > show, but I am not sure I "get" this one either. > > > > Errr...cuz he was "out there"? > > > Devo was _Fernwood 2-Night._ > > > > Blank stare. > > > Lynyrd Skynyrd was _The Beverly Hillbillies, > > > Molly Hatchet _Petticoat Junction._ > > > > These last two I "get". But it looks as though the TV shows are > > interchangeable > > here. > > > > Haw-haw: southerners equal unsophisticated rednecks. A barrel of laughing > monkeys! > > > The Black Crowes are _That '70s Show._ > > > I think entirely because they're '70s influenced? And stoned? > > > > Hall & Oates were _Bosom Buddies._ > > > I think someone is questioning someone else's sexuality. > > > > Dokken was Jason Baterman's short-lived sitcom _It's Your Move._ > > > > Blank stare. > > > The Eurythmics were _Mork and Mindy._ > > > > I don't "get" the Eurythmics paired with Mork and Mindy. > > > I think just because it was one guy and one woman. > > You begin to notice that while some of Klosterman's picks are fairly clever, > more of them seem to be crapshoots. Man needs an editor. > > > > > The four Beatles are as follows: John = _Maude,_ > > > > I draw a blank stare. > > > And I color it in with my 64-piece Crayola set... > > > > George = _The Jeffersons,_ and > > > > "The Quiet Beatle" paired with George and "Wheezy"? Beyond than the > > coincidence > > of the first names, I don't think I am gaining insight into George's > > artistic > > soul, either. > > > > I'm stretching here...is he implying that George by joining the Beatles was > "movin' on up"? > > > Ringo = _Flo._ > > > > I don't know the TV series, so I can't comment. > > > My guess is that show ran for like two episodes. Ha ha. > > > > Journey was rock s version of the TV show _Dynasty._ > > > > Neither Journey nor Dynasty nor the pairing do it for me. > > > Don't get this one either. > > Gary Glitter = whatever beauty contest Jon-Benet Ramsey was in. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:45:01 -0400 From: John Swartzentruber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) On 6/13/2007 8:37 AM Paul King wrote: > or that both Ringo and the series Flo petered out early on (look > no deeper there either), then Klosterman's "rules" for making these > associations were a waste of his time. Indeed, "George" Harrison and "George" > Jefferson can be paired merely because they have the same first names. > The ones for John, Paul, George, and Ringo were specifically limited to spin-offs. I think part of the matching dealt with the relationship between the original show and the spin-off. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:22:14 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) On 6/13/07, Paul King wrote: > > Thanks, Jeff, for some insight. But if you are right about most of what > you > say, then I would say that Klosterman set his own rules too high, since I > was > looking for signs of real insight into the musicians or the TV series they > were > paired with. Well, this is why some people take Klosterman too seriously. Take, for example, the whole brouhaha around "Advanced Theory." (For now, at least, you can look it up on Wikipedia...even though it's probably the single most un-entry-worthy entry I've run into.) This is, in a word, a joke (literally). I mean, if you read the original piece he wrote on it (linked from that Wikipedia entry), he specifies that "Advanced" artists must at some point wear black leather jackets and sunglasses. Or maybe that they never do. Whatever. That's called "humor," son. (Not the same thing as being funny, of course.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) > I think the common thread is that Gunsmoke had the longest run of any > non-Simpsons TV show... Not quite true. See .sig below. And the .sig info doesn't even consider soaps, or countries other than the USA and UK. Wondering if "Video Visionaries" was what Johnny watched in OVER THE EDGE, Andy The television series ran from September 10, 1955 to September 1, 1975 on CBS for 635 episodes. To this day, it is the longest run of any scripted series with continuing characters in American primetime television. [...] As of May 2007, two American series are poised to beat Gunsmoke's 20-year record. The animated sitcom The Simpsons, now in its 18th season, has been renewed through its 19th season, while the police procedural/courtroom drama, Law & Order, now in its 17th year, is also expected to be a possible 20-year survivor. NBC announced on May 13, 2007, that Law & Order would be picked up for a 18th season, despite slipping ratings, and made the same announcement on May 14, 2007, regarding the continuation of Law & Order for an 18th season. WWE RAW has aired more shows than Gunsmoke as of a July 25 airing; however RAW is considered a wrestling show and not a dramatic or comedic series. Internationally, a number of British primetime dramas and comedies have beaten Gunsmoke, Law and Order and WWE, including Last of the summer wine (26 years), Taggart (23 years), Casualty and the longest running primetime scripted show Doctor Who (36 years). - --from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsmoke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:42:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) On 6/13/07, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > > > I think the common thread is that Gunsmoke had the longest run of any > > non-Simpsons TV show... > > Not quite true. See .sig below. And the .sig info doesn't even consider > soaps, or countries other than the USA and UK. > > Wondering if "Video Visionaries" was what Johnny watched in OVER THE EDGE, > > The television series ran from September 10, 1955 to September 1, 1975 on > CBS for 635 episodes. To this day, it is the longest run of any scripted > series with continuing characters in American primetime television. I think the number of episodes is likely to remain unsurpassed, given the shorter seasons of current TV shows. The works out to more than 30 eps/season: a show would have to run for nearly 30 years nowadays to surpass that. > dramas and comedies have beaten Gunsmoke, Law and Order and WWE, including > Last of the summer wine (26 years), Taggart (23 years), Casualty and the > longest running primetime scripted show Doctor Who (36 years). I'm not sure these are valid comparisons (the British shows): in terms of the number of shows per season, etc., aren't they rather different? I certainly wouldn't count the wrestling: might as well say that "Major League Baseball" is a "show" that's run several nights a week pretty much since the invention of television... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:29:13 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > and the > longest running primetime scripted show Doctor Who (36 years). > :-) So, "Who" might we pair with it? Robyn Hitchcock? Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #139 *******************************