From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #138 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, June 13 2007 Volume 07 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) [Russ Lewis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:25:42 -0700 From: Russ Lewis Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) To quote further from Chuck Klosterman, once he and his friends were sufficiently smoked up, I found it necessary to mention that Journey was rocks version of the TV show _Dynasty._ This prompted a spirited debate we dubbed Monkees = Monkees. The goal is to figure out which television show is the closest philosophical analogy to a specific rock and roll band, and the criteria are mind-blowingly complex. Its a combination of longevity, era, critical acclaim, commercial success, and  most important  the aesthetic soul of each artistic entity. For example, the Rolling Stones are _Gunsmoke._ The Strokes are Kiefer Sutherland's _24._ Jimi Hendrix was _The Twilight Zone._ Devo was _Fernwood 2-Night._ Lynyrd Skynyrd was _The Beverly Hillbillies, _which makes Molly Hatchet _Petticoat Junction._ The Black Crowes are _That '70s Show._ Hall & Oates were _Bosom Buddies._ U2 is _M*A*S*H_ (both got preachy at the end). Dokken was Jason Baterman's short-lived sitcom _It's Your Move._ The Eurythmics were _Mork and Mindy._ We even deduced comparisons for solo projects, which can only be made to series that were spawned as spin- offs. The four Beatles are as follows: John = _Maude,_ Paul = _Frasier,_ George = _The Jeffersons,_ and Ringo = _Flo._ David Lee Roth's solo period was _Knots Landing._ "So there's proof: marijuana makes you smarter." The Tubes = The Gong Show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:04:05 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) It was said: > Well, not a match for all of that, but overall The Thompson Twins > had a sort > of similar vibe in their publicity photos. > Oh, I'd say that it doesn't get much closer than the Dream Academy, looks-wise. But yeah, still not a match, period-wise. > I'm probably reacting mostly to numbers and physical types... As most everyone seems to be. I think we're ditching a lot of the rules for facile analogies. Remember, the level of popularity and life span of shows/bands must be comparable. That's where the real challenge lies. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: [loud-fans] Walker & Sallitt Dan Sallitt gave me permission to mention his most erudite film blog, everybody check it out: http://www.panix.com/~sallitt/blog Further along the music/movie connection, I'd like to recommend Stephen Kijak's documentary SCOTT WALKER: 30 CENTURY MAN. Kijak co-helmed CINEMANIA, a study of NYC movie junkies, and settled, finally, for laughing at the mutants. But you probably can't go through the headaches making a Scott Walker documentary without veneration, and Kijak's got that this time around. Yes, Mr. Walker sits for an interview. Yes, you see and hear his latest album, THE DRIFT, being recorded--extra fun points for the meat-punching percussion. Thrill also to David Bowie, Brian Eno, Gavin Friday, Jarvis Cocker, Alison Goldfrapp, Neil Hannon, Ute Lemper, Angela Morley (formerly Wally Stott), and some nut with a Salvador Dali mustache who lives in a garage. Kijak tossed a few copies of Walker's BOY CHILD compilation into the audience; one man flipped over the row of seats in front of him, risking damage to himself and others, to put a CD in his paw. And that's still the kind of reaction Scott Walker gets, Andy "I don't think she's gonna get away from him..." - --Mom's commentary on "The Two Magicians," performed by A.L. Lloyd (fiddle by Dave Swarbrick), from THE BIRD IN THE BUSH: TRADITIONAL SONGS OF LOVE & LUST ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:42:22 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) In a message dated 6/11/2007 6:09:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rlewis@nethere.com writes: I thought the Mamas and the Papas would have been a better fit for _The Flintstones._ I said this because the B-52's did the theme for the movie, calling themselves The B.C.-52's. "When you've got an itch you've got to do the twitch in Bedrock--TWITCH! TWITCH!" (they covered this one, too--geek boy here had the limited edition CD of these tracks) - --Mark, remembering a joke I made on the list years ago where I said that Fred Schneider had died and been replaced by an animatron, and nobody seemed to mind ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:54:39 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) In a message dated 6/11/2007 6:09:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rlewis@nethere.com writes: Neither. _The Great American Dream Machine._ (PBS 1971-2). Perhaps this is where Six Flags in Atlanta came up with the name of The Great American Scream Machine, a dangerous bumpy wooden coaster ride where, one summer night in 1976, an 8-year-old boy held on for his dear life in his seat to the chrome bar in front of him, because it didn't lock down. To add to the psychological trauma, I was in the very front compartment, on the right side. I will never ride another roller coaster again. - --Mark p.s. Jen, that Stones/Antiques Roadshow comparison is spot on (What a drag it is getting old) Toby Keith and his early mullet = BJ and the Bear? (no, it was a '70s tv show, not gay porn) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:06:26 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) In a message dated 6/12/2007 8:00:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Scout82667@aol.com writes: geek boy here had the limited edition CD of these tracks) Still do. I don't part with my B's stuff. Anyone want to burn my bootleg of STROBE LIGHT--a British two-disc 45 rpm vinyl 12" of the B's at the Rat in Boston in '79? They were smokin' (literally). I'll send you the cash to mail back along with the discs, and you can burn one for you, too? - --Mark "Come on people, drugs are fun!!" (my sophomore American Lit teacher in college--her hair was so long she sat on it) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:06:48 -0400 From: "Paul King" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) > "So there's proof: marijuana makes you smarter." > There is something I remember from my classes in cognitive psychology that says that if you study while stoned, you have to write the test stoned. I think the same goes for this. You probably have to be stoned to "get it", which is why much of what was written in Lewis's post confuses me. Conversely, I may speculate (perhaps wildly) that most of the suggestions of band/TV show associations in previous posts may not have been written while stoned, which is why I probably "get" them. > To quote further from Chuck Klosterman, once he and his friends were > sufficiently smoked up, I found it necessary to mention that > the Rolling Stones are _Gunsmoke._ However, I can't see the Stones paired with any western that exists. And would I be wrong to pair the Stones with Bonanza? Why/Why not? The Stones are *heavily* blues influenced, why the choice of a western? > The Strokes are Kiefer Sutherland's _24._ > Jimi Hendrix was _The Twilight Zone._ Hendrix was another blues-influenced rocker. A little out-there, like the TV show, but I am not sure I "get" this one either. > Devo was _Fernwood 2-Night._ > Lynyrd Skynyrd was _The Beverly Hillbillies, > Molly Hatchet _Petticoat Junction._ These last two I "get". But it looks as though the TV shows are interchangeable here. > The Black Crowes are _That '70s Show._ > Hall & Oates were _Bosom Buddies._ > U2 is _M*A*S*H_ (both got preachy at the end). > Dokken was Jason Baterman's short-lived sitcom _It's Your Move._ > The Eurythmics were _Mork and Mindy._ I don't "get" the Eurythmics paired with Mork and Mindy. Probably because I think that the Eurythmics are too identified with "Sweet Dreams" for me to think of what else they performed that had as much of an impact. > The four Beatles are as follows: John = _Maude,_ I draw a blank stare. > Paul = _Frasier,_ A reserved fellow and prolific, versatile musician paired with a pompous, bombastic and mildly annoying shrink. I'm sorry. I don't get that one. > George = _The Jeffersons,_ and "The Quiet Beatle" paired with George and "Wheezy"? Beyond than the coincidence of the first names, I don't think I am gaining insight into George's artistic soul, either. > Ringo = _Flo._ I don't know the TV series, so I can't comment. > Journey was rock s version of the TV show _Dynasty._ Neither Journey nor Dynasty nor the pairing do it for me. > David Lee Roth's solo period was _Knots Landing._ > Another blank stare. I didn't follow Roth's solo career, but he was at least a little into heavy metal when member of Van Halen. So, is there a less-than- convoluted explanation as to how that fits in with an evening soap opera? And why would associating it with Dynasty be less correct (Dynasty and Knott's Landing seem interchangeable for me)? > > > The Tubes = The Gong Show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:56:33 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Charlotte (and Patti) (and Chuck) On 6/12/07, Paul King wrote: > > > > > To quote further from Chuck Klosterman, once he and his friends were > > sufficiently smoked up, I found it necessary to mention that > > > the Rolling Stones are _Gunsmoke._ > > However, I can't see the Stones paired with any western that exists. And > would > I be wrong to pair the Stones with Bonanza? Why/Why not? The Stones are > *heavily* blues influenced, why the choice of a western? I think the common thread is that Gunsmoke had the longest run of any non-Simpsons TV show... > The Strokes are Kiefer Sutherland's _24._ Cuz Kiefer's the son of Donald, and many of the Strokes are sons of folks in the record biz... > Jimi Hendrix was _The Twilight Zone._ > > Hendrix was another blues-influenced rocker. A little out-there, like the > TV > show, but I am not sure I "get" this one either. Errr...cuz he was "out there"? > Devo was _Fernwood 2-Night._ Blank stare. > Lynyrd Skynyrd was _The Beverly Hillbillies, > > Molly Hatchet _Petticoat Junction._ > > These last two I "get". But it looks as though the TV shows are > interchangeable > here. Haw-haw: southerners equal unsophisticated rednecks. A barrel of laughing monkeys! > The Black Crowes are _That '70s Show._ I think entirely because they're '70s influenced? And stoned? > Hall & Oates were _Bosom Buddies._ I think someone is questioning someone else's sexuality. > Dokken was Jason Baterman's short-lived sitcom _It's Your Move._ Blank stare. > The Eurythmics were _Mork and Mindy._ > > I don't "get" the Eurythmics paired with Mork and Mindy. I think just because it was one guy and one woman. You begin to notice that while some of Klosterman's picks are fairly clever, more of them seem to be crapshoots. Man needs an editor. > > The four Beatles are as follows: John = _Maude,_ > > I draw a blank stare. And I color it in with my 64-piece Crayola set... > George = _The Jeffersons,_ and > > "The Quiet Beatle" paired with George and "Wheezy"? Beyond than the > coincidence > of the first names, I don't think I am gaining insight into George's > artistic > soul, either. I'm stretching here...is he implying that George by joining the Beatles was "movin' on up"? > Ringo = _Flo._ > > I don't know the TV series, so I can't comment. My guess is that show ran for like two episodes. Ha ha. > Journey was rock s version of the TV show _Dynasty._ > > Neither Journey nor Dynasty nor the pairing do it for me. Don't get this one either. Gary Glitter = whatever beauty contest Jon-Benet Ramsey was in. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:52:09 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Recent Recs Dan Sallitt wrote: > I'm also not having as good a time as I hoped with Future Clouds and > Radar - though I'm listening one disc at a time, and haven't gotten to > disc two yet. It's not bad, but I'm still waiting for a song that will > kick me in the pants. I never went over the moon for disc one, but I have warmer feelings about it now that I've digested it. Tracks 2 through 4 are a nice run for me, and I like "Quicksilver" too. I still don't care much for the two big setpieces "You Will Be Loved" and "Wake Up and Live," which suck up a lot of disc space. On to disc two - and maybe to Pianos in NYC tomorrow night for the FC&R gig. I'm disappointed in the new Richard Thompson album, which makes two in a row. By his standards, the music just seems a bit phoned in to me. There's one song I love, "Johnny's Far Away"; and another throwaway song that really works for me, "Mr. Stupid." - Dan ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #138 *******************************