From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #88 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, April 11 2007 Volume 07 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice [Scout82667@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice [LeftyZ@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice [LeftyZ@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice [Gil Ray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:25:28 EDT From: Scout82667@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice In a message dated 4/9/2007 8:55:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: That does sound pretty cool - but if you can, you should digitize those suckers on the first play, and preserve them. That's true (the archivist in me wants to do this), but the thrill of playing these records--watching them spin around so fast--the surface noise, the labels--something would be lost if I played them from a CD. I have a Billie Holiday CD that's largely culled from 78s, and it's good, but without the records and their groovy grooviness, something is lost--the tactile, the visual, the dusty smell of the sleeves, the artwork (if you're in the car). Playing the records themselves is like a ceremony--you have to be careful, wipe the records, clean the needle, etc. It's sublime for me. - --Mark, not liking the new Rosebuds p.s. I'm currently digging an old Feelies flexi of "Dancing Barefoot" I got from The Bob magazine back the olden days--I'm rediscovering my records Up next, a Method Actors 45 from 1981!.... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:58:43 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice In a message dated 4/10/2007 4:35:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Scout82667@aol.com writes: Playing the records themselves is like a ceremony--you have to be careful, wipe the records, clean the needle, etc. It's sublime for me. - --Mark, not liking the new Rosebuds p.s. I'm currently digging an old Feelies flexi of "Dancing Barefoot" I got from The Bob magazine back the olden days--I'm rediscovering my records Up next, a Method Actors 45 from 1981!.... Mark, I'm totally with you. I set up a second system in the house (as opposed to the one in my office) a few months ago. Got the turntable in there and.....I'd say my mix of vinyl to CD is about 90/10 lately. I love all the stuff that goes with playing a record. Left ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:24:30 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice On 4/10/07, LeftyZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/10/2007 4:35:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > Scout82667@aol.com writes: > > Playing > the records themselves is like a ceremony--you have to be careful, wipe > the > records, clean the needle, etc. It's sublime for me. I'm totally with you. I set up a second system in the house (as opposed to > the one in my office) a few months ago. Got the turntable in there > and.....I'd say my mix of vinyl to CD is about 90/10 lately. I love all > the stuff > that goes with playing a record. Gotta say: no nostalgia there for me. I hate pops, clicks, scratches, random static; I hated the way high end would get eaten away so everything up there sounded like a crash cymbal after a few hundred plays; I hated the occasional off-center LP (and the approximately-every-other-one off-center 45), and the sheer mass of thousands of LPs. (Probably no help here that my LP collection was at its massiest during my years as a college student moving nearly every year: the record collection was an enormous pain to move from place to place.) I hated having records ruined by clumsy strangers or curious cats. I hated having to get up and turn the thing over halfway through. I want my silence to be silent, not filled with ambient clicks and decay-scrawl. And don't get me started on supposed "warmth" etc.: a good equalizer and you're fine (although I nowadays listen to almost everything flat, figuring that's the way the band wanted me to hear it or they would've had it mixed, EQ'd, etc. differently). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:29:33 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice In a message dated 4/10/2007 7:37:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: Gotta say: no nostalgia there for me. I hate pops, clicks, scratches, random static; I hated the way high end would get eaten away so everything up there sounded like a crash cymbal after a few hundred plays; I hated the occasional off-center LP (and the approximately-every-other-one off-center 45), and the sheer mass of thousands of LPs. (Probably no help here that my LP collection was at its massiest during my years as a college student moving nearly every year: the record collection was an enormous pain to move from place to place.) Hmmmm.....I don't seem to have those issues...... I've always taken great care of my records. I have a great tonearm and cartridge. I don't notice any decay in the quality of the sound......and some of my records are 40 years old. Also, there is certainly something to be said for being able to listen to the 1200 or so albums that I didn't buy a duplicate CD of...... I hated having records ruined by clumsy strangers or curious cats. Nobody else touches my records. I hated having to get up and turn the thing over halfway through. I understand this one....but...I dunno.....the good parts seem to outweigh any laziness I might be prone to (with my setup, I also have to get up when the record's done playing to manually lift the tonearm......never bothered me). I want my silence to be silent, not filled with ambient clicks and decay-scrawl. And don't get me started on supposed "warmth" etc.: a good equalizer and you're fine (although I nowadays listen to almost everything flat, figuring that's the way the band wanted me to hear it or they would've had it mixed, EQ'd, etc. differently). I'm not all that sure that there is a noticeable difference in sound (to me). When people ask me what I like about vinyl, I don't mention the sound. Maybe the whole thing for me is simple nostalgia for my college days.....I suspect that's a big part of the attraction..... In any case, I'm enjoying the hell outa my albums lately...I'm even buying more. Left ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:15:06 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice On 4/10/07, LeftyZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/10/2007 7:37:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: > > Gotta say: no nostalgia there for me. I hate pops, clicks, > scratches, random > static; I hated the way high end would get eaten away so everything up > there > sounded like a crash cymbal after a few hundred plays; I hated the > occasional off-center LP (and the > approximately-every-other-one off-center > 45), and the sheer mass of thousands of LPs. (Probably no help here that > my > LP collection was at its massiest during my years as a college student > moving nearly every year: the record collection was an enormous pain to > move > from place to place.) > Hmmmm.....I don't seem to have those issues...... > > I've always taken great care of my records. I have a great tonearm and > cartridge. I don't notice any decay in the quality of the sound......and > some of > my records are 40 years old. You don't notice any decay because the sound isn't that clean to begin with ;-) I take (or took) pretty good care of my records - maybe I'm just more sensitive to those noises. Seriously: even brand new records had their share of surface noise (granted, not pops, clicks, etc.). And perhaps I never had high-end enough equipment to truly convey the high end - but that shearing-off of the high end was something that bugged the crap out of me. LPs were pretty good for their time. Singles, though: feh. (I mean, I bought them - still occasionally get them if tracks are otherwise unavailable - but they're a crappy crappy medium. Anyone else remember the Sugarplastic 7x7x7 thingy a couple years back? I had to send two of the seven singles back because they were pressed off-center - one of them twice, which *never* came back correctly. Fortunately, subscribers were ultimately gifted with a CD containing all the tracks. I'm glad I have the original singles, insofar as I'm a collector of anything...but they'll sit nice and pretty in a box forever. I'll never play the singles. Also, there is certainly something to be said for being able to listen to > the 1200 or so albums that I didn't buy a duplicate CD of...... I should probably go through my LPs, find the ones that just are not available, and digitize them. If they are available, frankly, given the time it takes to set up the connection, play the thing (making sure to keep kitties out of the room), edit the tracks (or rather, set the cues between tracks and possibly eliminate excessive non-silent silence between tracks), and burn the CD...well, just paying myself a reasonable wage I'd rather just go buy the CD. If I even want it - there are definitely some LPs I have that I have no interest in retaining, really. I hated having records ruined by clumsy strangers or curious cats. > Nobody else touches my records. Oh, not that kind of clumsy stranger. No, I'm talking the four or five times over the years where, say, you'd have a record playing with friends over or at a party and some dope would crash into the turntable. And my friends were never particularly aggressively drunk. Curious kitties are just leapers onto surfaces... > . > Maybe the whole thing for me is simple nostalgia for my > college days.....I > suspect that's a big part of the attraction..... Maybe I'm less nostalgic for my college days! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] His Master's Voice God, I have so many albums that are in terrible shape, but I just can't find the courage to get rid of them. I have digitized some of 'em, but...it's the covers...Hard to part with them! Gil - --- 2fs wrote: > On 4/10/07, LeftyZ@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/10/2007 7:37:50 P.M. Pacific > Daylight Time, > > jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: > > > > Gotta say: no nostalgia there for me. I hate > pops, clicks, > > scratches, random > > static; I hated the way high end would get eaten > away so everything up > > there > > sounded like a crash cymbal after a few hundred > plays; I hated the > > occasional off-center LP (and the > > approximately-every-other-one off-center > > 45), and the sheer mass of thousands of LPs. > (Probably no help here that > > my > > LP collection was at its massiest during my years > as a college student > > moving nearly every year: the record collection > was an enormous pain to > > move > > from place to place.) > > Hmmmm.....I don't seem to have those issues...... > > > > I've always taken great care of my records. I > have a great tonearm and > > cartridge. I don't notice any decay in the > quality of the sound......and > > some of > > my records are 40 years old. > > > You don't notice any decay because the sound isn't > that clean to begin with > ;-) > > I take (or took) pretty good care of my records - > maybe I'm just more > sensitive to those noises. Seriously: even brand new > records had their share > of surface noise (granted, not pops, clicks, etc.). > And perhaps I never had > high-end enough equipment to truly convey the high > end - but that > shearing-off of the high end was something that > bugged the crap out of me. > > LPs were pretty good for their time. Singles, > though: feh. (I mean, I bought > them - still occasionally get them if tracks are > otherwise unavailable - but > they're a crappy crappy medium. Anyone else remember > the Sugarplastic 7x7x7 > thingy a couple years back? I had to send two of the > seven singles back > because they were pressed off-center - one of them > twice, which *never* came > back correctly. Fortunately, subscribers were > ultimately gifted with a CD > containing all the tracks. I'm glad I have the > original singles, insofar as > I'm a collector of anything...but they'll sit nice > and pretty in a box > forever. I'll never play the singles. > > > Also, there is certainly something to be said for > being able to listen to > > the 1200 or so albums that I didn't buy a > duplicate CD of...... > > > I should probably go through my LPs, find the ones > that just are not > available, and digitize them. If they are available, > frankly, given the time > it takes to set up the connection, play the thing > (making sure to keep > kitties out of the room), edit the tracks (or > rather, set the cues between > tracks and possibly eliminate excessive non-silent > silence between tracks), > and burn the CD...well, just paying myself a > reasonable wage I'd rather just > go buy the CD. If I even want it - there are > definitely some LPs I have that > I have no interest in retaining, really. > > > I hated having records ruined by clumsy strangers or > curious cats. > > Nobody else touches my records. > > > > Oh, not that kind of clumsy stranger. No, I'm > talking the four or five > times over the years where, say, you'd have a record > playing with friends > over or at a party and some dope would crash into > the turntable. And my > friends were never particularly aggressively drunk. > Curious kitties are just > leapers onto surfaces... > > > . > > Maybe the whole thing for me is simple nostalgia > for my > > college days.....I > > suspect that's a big part of the attraction..... > > > > Maybe I'm less nostalgic for my college days! > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #88 ******************************