From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #37 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, February 13 2007 Volume 07 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Good news?? [Phil Fleming ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" ["Steve Holtebeck" ] Re: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] New Stuff Round Up ["bradley skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Francis J H Park ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] New Stuff Round Up [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? ["Michael Mitton" ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Jenny Grover ] Fw: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Mike Curley ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: Fw: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:47:15 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: [loud-fans] Good news?? I've (chronically alone gay male) pretty much spent every Valentine's Day since the turn of the century doing one thing: singing J. Giels Band's "Love Stinks" at the top of my lungs at least once during the day. I don't think I ever got hammered on Valentine's Day. Phil F., who finds it HILARIOUS watching men OBVIOUSLY on the make at a straight bar. - --- zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > Lucky man. I spent Valentine's Day 2005 the way > every chronically alone > straight male spends every Valentine's Day: getting > hammered in a gay > bar. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:45:53 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? In a message dated 2/12/2007 4:58:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, spin_jen@yahoo.com writes: I've (chronically alone gay male) pretty much spent every Valentine's Day since the turn of the century doing one thing: singing J. Giels Band's "Love Stinks" at the top of my lungs at least once during the day. I hear ya. The best Valentine's Day I've had was as a student teacher, when I got some sweet ones from my kids, and you know those are for real. As a child though, I used to hate the Valentine's Day valentine exchange in elementary school, because I almost never got one, and it was a big deal my teachers made, where we had to bring a special Valentine's box and put it on our desk. It was humiliating, and I will NEVER do that to my kids. The way my cooperating teacher handled it was the kids could give them to each other privately at recess or after school, and I'll do the same. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:19:29 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > I used to hate the Valentine's Day valentine exchange in > elementary school, because I almost never got one, and it was a big deal my teachers > made, where we had to bring a special Valentine's box and put it on our > desk. It was humiliating, and I will NEVER do that to my kids. Good heavens. We were required to bring one for everyone in our class, so that everyone got valentines, and we had candy and cupcakes and all sorts of things for everyone, too. I loved it. One Valentine's Day when I was in college, I had been dating 3 guys, and not on the sly. They were all friends and knew about me going out with them all. I had just gotten out of 2 bad relationships in a row and wasn't in a big hurry to get serious about anyone, though I was starting to get serious about one of them. Well, we went out that night to a movie and then went to his room where I thought he was going to invite me home with him for spring break. Guess what? He broke up with me. On Valentine's Day. Nice guy. Guess what? So did one of the other two! Two break-ups on Valentine's Day. One guy didn't, however. We've been married now for 24 years :-) Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:30:26 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? In a message dated 2/12/2007 2:22:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sleeveless@zoominternet.net writes: One guy didn't, however. We've been married now for 24 years :-) Jen He was the one, and a good one he is. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:08:11 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" On 2/11/07, 2fs wrote: > On 2/11/07, Dan Schmidt wrote: > > > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/41069 > Well, he sounds a bit less depressed there than he does in this AV Club > interview: > Both interviews have the same "well and truly in the fridge" quote though. At least they aren't in the cupboard where they might spoil. Fans mourning the lack of new XTC music on the horizon should check out the new Field Music album TONES OF TOWN, which comes out this week in the USA (it's been on emusic for awhile). It's quite XTC-ish without being super-derivative like Dogs Die In Hot Cars or the Sugarplastic (circa BANG THE EARTH IS ROUND/LF '96 tour. they don't sound much like XTC anymore). I was distressed to find out that I was the only person who voted for Field Music's self-titled debut in the loud-fans poll. Since it came out in 2005 in the UK, I just figured I was late to the party, except no one voted for it in the 2005 loud-fans poll either. It hurts my raw normalcy ranking to vote for albums that nobody else likes, but it's even more sad that such great music is going unappreciated here. In today's pitchfork news items, David Brewis is talking about Field Music going "on hiatus" after this US tour, so everyone should make an effort to see them while they can. They totally rock the house live. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:17:18 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] The Police last night I missed the opening of The Grammy's last night, and kept waiting for The Police, while in and out of the restaurant, while being tortured by Justin Timberlake, James Blunt (whom I switched off the TV and said "Daddy, make it stop!") et al, but I just saw the clip on YouTube, and they were fricking great! Maybe it's the non-objectivity of my inner fan teen, but they sounded amazing. I just wish they'd done "Message in a Bottle." Are they doing a tour or anything, or is this just a one night stand? - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:30:50 -0600 From: "Tom Galczynski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" I was not a member of the loud-fans group in 2005 and I thought Field Music's debut was from 2005 and would be disqualified from the 2006 poll. I would have voted for it and I fully intend to put Tones of Town in my 2007 list. I think it is even better than their debut, which I loved. I have to say though I don't hear all that much XTC in their stuff (and I'm a big XTC fan also). I thought the opening track on TOT was a Yes homage believe it or not. The herky-jerky rhythm, the staccato chorus. Would have fit in well on Close to the Edge. Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Steve Holtebeck > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:08 PM > To: 2fs > Cc: the sort of thing most people never give a second thought > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" > > On 2/11/07, 2fs wrote: > > On 2/11/07, Dan Schmidt wrote: > > > > > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/41069 > > Well, he sounds a bit less depressed there than he does in > this AV Club > > interview: > > > > Both interviews have the same "well and truly in the fridge" > quote though. > At least they aren't in the cupboard where they might spoil. > > Fans mourning the lack of new XTC music on the horizon should > check out > the new Field Music album TONES OF TOWN, which comes out this week > in the USA (it's been on emusic for awhile). It's quite XTC-ish > without being super-derivative like Dogs Die In Hot Cars or the > Sugarplastic (circa BANG THE > EARTH IS ROUND/LF '96 tour. they don't sound much like XTC anymore). > > I was distressed to find out that I was the only person who voted for > Field Music's self-titled debut in the loud-fans poll. Since it came > out in 2005 in the UK, I just figured I was late to the party, except > no one voted for it in the 2005 loud-fans poll either. It hurts my > raw normalcy ranking to vote for albums that nobody else likes, but > it's even more sad that such great music is going unappreciated here. > > In today's pitchfork news items, David Brewis is talking about Field > Music going "on hiatus" after this US tour, so everyone should make an > effort to see them while they can. They totally rock the house live. > > -Steve > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:28:39 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Police last night In a message dated 2/12/2007 12:23:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CertronC90@aol.com writes: I missed the opening of The Grammy's last night, and kept waiting for The Police, while in and out of the restaurant, while being tortured by Justin Timberlake, James Blunt (whom I switched off the TV and said "Daddy, make it stop!") et al, but I just saw the clip on YouTube, and they were fricking great! Maybe it's the non-objectivity of my inner fan teen, but they sounded amazing. I just wish they'd done "Message in a Bottle." Are they doing a tour or anything, or is this just a one night stand? It WAS nice to see them. I saw in the paper this morning that they are planning a press conference today (at the Whisky, where I saw them with a couple hundred folks back in 1979). The article suggested that there is anticipation of a tour. Left ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:50:08 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? What's this "Valentine's Day" thing anyway? I'm not used to actually being in a relationship on this fake holiday, so I'm not sure what to do this year. I mean, aside from shouting "Loser!" at all the single people (including the straight ones getting drunk in gay bars)? Or singing "Love Stinks"? Am I supposed to be doing something for my gf? Making her a mix CD or something? Thx in advance. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:54:19 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > > I was distressed to find out that I was the only person who voted for > Field Music's self-titled debut in the loud-fans poll. Since it came > out in 2005 in the UK, I just figured I was late to the party, except > no one voted for it in the 2005 loud-fans poll either. It hurts my > raw normalcy ranking to vote for albums that nobody else likes, but > it's even more sad that such great music is going unappreciated here. It was in my list of contenders. There was just too damn much great stuff that came out last year, though. It was really, really hard to pare things down to just 15 for the poll and it meant leaving out some things I would really have liked to include. > > In today's pitchfork news items, David Brewis is talking about Field > Music going "on hiatus" after this US tour, so everyone should make an > effort to see them while they can. They totally rock the house live. Yeah, I'm sure playing Huntington is right up there on their list of priorities, just like it is for most bands. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:59:36 +0000 From: "=?UTF-8?B?V2VzdCBBbnRob255?=" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? >What's this "Valentine's Day" thing >anyway? I'm not >used to actually being in a >relationship on this >fake holiday, so I'm not sure what >to do this year. I haven't had a date in seven years. I didn't know they still made valentines day. One of the losers, West. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:12:38 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? Roger Winston wrote: > What's this "Valentine's Day" thing anyway? I'm not > used to actually being in a relationship on this > fake holiday, so I'm not sure what to do this year. > I mean, aside from shouting "Loser!" at all the > single people (including the straight ones getting > drunk in gay bars)? Or singing "Love Stinks"? Am I > supposed to be doing something for my gf? Making her > a mix CD or something? Thx in advance. > > Latre. --Rog > > I suggest a mix CD *and* your choice of any or all of flowers, candy, wine, dinner out, jewelry. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:26:12 -0800 From: "bradley skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] New Stuff Round Up The Police were fantastic! Really great to hear them, and it probably should have been a lesson to every other live act on the show on how to do way more with way less. I thought that was the worst Grammies in a long time. They're never great, but there are usually a few live acts that impress me (my tolerance for top 40 pop/r&b/rap/country/etc. is pretty high, though) but not this year. Ornette Coleman's bit was pretty high on the bizarre scale, though, and worth watching. The new Field Music is ridiculously great. There's no doubt it's going to be a year-end favorite--richly detailed, great writing, amazing production and performance. It's a pretty flawless, densley packed 39 minutes! I think these guys are really among the most exciting pop bands around. And, yeah, fans of XTC/Spoon/Zombies should love them. Mitch Easter's Dynamico is as wonderful as everyone says. And while it's true that there is a beefed up sound (and more nods to Mitch's 70's rock roots than in his earlier stuff), it still sounds very much like the follow up to Every Dog. His writing has not changed significantly--all the little Let's Active twists and turns and hooks are there. It's definitely the Mitch Easter you know, love and have missed. There wasn't a whole lot of hoopla surrounding the death of Frankie Laine. He's definitely never achieved the coolness level of Sinatra or Bennett*, but at his best he was a genius. Check out the two records he made with Michel Legrand for Columbia (Foreign Affair and Reunion in Rhythm.) I believe they're even available on a two-fer, and they're both masterpieces of pop vocal. Great, colorful arrangements full of jazzy detail and unexpected twists and turns. Laine was more of an old school Italian belter, but he was also a master of rhythm and he's super gutsy and sharp on these albums. * Laine did more goofy stuff and never had a sustained run of artistically challenging and focused albums like those guys did. Don't get me started on how badly Bennett's catalog has been treated in the post LP era... B The Bye Bye Blackbirds' "Honeymoon" now available: www.byebyeblackbirds.com www.cdbaby.com/cd/byebyeblackbirds ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:30:28 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? Jenny Grover on 2/12/2007 2:12:38 PM wrote: >I suggest a mix CD *and* your choice of any or >all of flowers, candy, wine, dinner out, jewelry. That sounds like too much trouble, and kind of expensive. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:51:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC "well and truly in the fridge" On 2/12/07, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > > Fans mourning the lack of new XTC music on the horizon should check out > the new Field Music album TONES OF TOWN, which comes out this week > in the USA (it's been on emusic for awhile). > > I was distressed to find out that I was the only person who voted for > Field Music's self-titled debut in the loud-fans poll. Since it came > out in 2005 in the UK, I just figured I was late to the party, except > no one voted for it in the 2005 loud-fans poll either. It hurts my > raw normalcy ranking to vote for albums that nobody else likes, but > it's even more sad that such great music is going unappreciated here. I'm so far behind the curve that I'd heard only two tracks from it in 2006. I liked them both quite a bit - but despite having casually looked for the first CD a couple of times and in a couple of places, it was always either unavailable or too expensive. So I didn't hear the rest of it until 2007 when I DL'd via eMusic. I'll be buying the new one, though - and the s/t probably would have made my '06 list if I'd heard it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:54:27 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? On 2/12/07, Roger Winston wrote: > > What's this "Valentine's Day" thing anyway? I'm not > used to actually being in a relationship on this > fake holiday, so I'm not sure what to do this year. > I mean, aside from shouting "Loser!" at all the > single people (including the straight ones getting > drunk in gay bars)? Or singing "Love Stinks"? Am I > supposed to be doing something for my gf? Making her > a mix CD or something? Thx in advance. I've heard that the chicks these days really dig enormous, flat-screen plasma TVs - you should probably get one of those for her. Or a metaphor. Chicks really dig those (as Sparks will testify). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:03:54 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? 2fs wrote: > > I've heard that the chicks these days really dig enormous, flat-screen > plasma TVs - you should probably get one of those for her. > Just remember, if you want her to actually believe you got it for her, you gotta give her the remote, too! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:30:18 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? Jenny Grover on 2/12/2007 4:03:54 PM wrote: >Just remember, if you want her to actually believe >you got it for her, you gotta give her the remote, too! A woman is not allowed to touch the remote in the Winston household unless she's handing it to me (along with a martini) when I walk in the door. Latre. --Rog (Ain't I a stinker?) - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:12:08 -0600 From: Francis J H Park Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > I hear ya. The best Valentine's Day I've had was as a student > teacher, when I got some sweet ones from my kids, and you know those > are for real. As a child though, I used to hate the Valentine's Day > valentine exchange in elementary school, because I almost never got > one, and it was a big deal my teachers made, where we had to bring > a special Valentine's box and put it on our desk. It was > humiliating, and I will NEVER do that to my kids. The way my > cooperating teacher handled it was the kids could give them to each > other privately at recess or after school, and I'll do the same. > > --Mark I traditionally loathed Valentine's Day with the same fury that I reserved for Christmas. Some of this was the belief that I was never going to get married...although some of my ire was self-inflicted by choice of profession. (the words "military" and "intellectual" are comparatively rare). Even after marriage, I am seriously leery of Valentine's Day. My level of Valentine's Day animus far exceeded the J. Geils Band "Love Stinks" since I think most of the songs that came to mind in years past were songs from bands like FEAR and Ministry. That said, my daughter's teacher is collecting ALL the valentines for her kindergarten class, then distributing them to the class. The instructions to parents were also to have the kids write their name in the "from" and leave the "to" blank. This would probably ensure even distribution, or so I'd like to think. I don't recall much of Valentine's Day exchanges; I went to an all-male school from grades 1 through 12. I recall one I got from some girls from a school elsewhere in the state who sent embarrassingly salacious Valentines to the members of my school's academic team after spraying them down with some monster amount of cheap perfume. The administration obliged by posting the envelopes on the school bulletin board. That was the best laugh I ever got on Valentine's day, ever. - -- Francis J. H. Park Fort Leavenworth, KS, USA http://tbolp.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:37:14 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? Francis J H Park wrote: > > I traditionally loathed Valentine's Day with the same fury that I > reserved for Christmas. This list has the highest percentage of weirdos of any list I'm on. Period. It also has the highest percentage of males. Coincidence? As for the Valentine question, is this like a chicken vs. egg thing? Do you guys hate the holiday because it reminds you of being alone, or have you traditionally been alone because you hate a holiday that celebrates love (and expects YOU to actually make a move toward getting it, not just sit back and wait for it to come to you). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:52:20 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? On 2/12/07, Jenny Grover wrote: > > > As for the Valentine question, is this like a chicken vs. egg thing? Do > you guys hate the holiday because it reminds you of being alone, or have > you traditionally been alone because you hate a holiday that celebrates > love (and expects YOU to actually make a move toward getting it, not > just sit back and wait for it to come to you). I think there's a sampling issue here: we're hearing more from people who dislike Valentine's Day, because they have strong feelings on the subject. Most people, I imagine, are fairly neutral toward it...and given that the negative tone was fairly well-established, anyone who really really *loves* Valentine's Day (the sickos...) might not bother posting because they don't perceive a receptive audience. Anyway: fortunately both Rose and I agree on Valentine's Day - we've entered it into our pathetically cute cat mythology and refer to it as "Valentinykitten Day" and generally buy each other a card with a cute cat on it, but are otherwise fairly indifferent to it. We used to go out to dinner as well (but never on the most popular night: weekend near the holiday) - but that's become harder due to Rose's dietary restrictions, so we've just kind of not particularly celebrated it other than the card thing. Chocolates? Rose can't eat 'em; and while I can, neither of us thinks my freeranging an entire box of chocolate is a good idea. Flowers? That'd probably go over fairly well...except they'd just get knocked over by wayward cat tails anyway. (Are you sensing who really runs our household yet?) That leaves getting hammered in a gay bar as a traditional mode of celebration. Rose can't drink anymore either - so I suppose I could go out and do that. It does occur to me, however, that if I were alone, and depressed, and wanting to get good and drunk, as a straight man I'd do it in a straight bar...on grounds that depression+low self-esteem+alcohol=better-than-average chances of cheap easy sex. Or so I've been told. Could be things have changed in the 20+ years I've been married/attached. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] New Stuff Round Up > There wasn't a whole lot of hoopla surrounding the death of Frankie Laine. > He's definitely never achieved the coolness level of Sinatra or Bennett*, > but > at his best he was a genius. Anyone interested can partake of Karen Schoemer's book "Great Pretenders: My Strange Love Affair with '50s Pop Music." In her chapter on Laine, she marvels at how the 80-something singer plays a full show, in fabulous voice, and charmingly confesses to the crowd how his hair isn't real. (Laine eventually had to give up performing at ninety-two, after surgery to remove a throat node, but he continued pushing his records.) Schoemer's other subjects, all still living so far as I know: Connie Francis, Pat Boone, Fabian, Georgia Gibbs, Tommy Sands, and Patti Page. I confess--she's got me wishing Tommy Sands' DREAM WITH ME was in print (not even in Japan), Andy "I think that trees have souls--don't make fun of me." - --overheard at work recently ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:02:47 -0800 From: "Michael Mitton" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? Many, many years as a single chump on Valentine's day, and now I'm engaged. I have to say, it's no better on this side of the fence. "Uh, I dunno. Whadda you wanna do? " "Do you need a reservation at Applebee's?" RE: The police. Without intending any synchronicity (rim shot!), I went to Amoeba on Sunday and found the box set with everything they ever recorded for $25. Those first two disks are worth every penny, and even make up for having to own "Every Breath You Take." Seriously, though, I never knew anything other than the hits and was surprised at how much I've liked it. mm On 2/12/07, Phil Fleming wrote: > I've (chronically alone gay male) pretty much spent > every Valentine's Day since the turn of the century > doing one thing: singing J. Giels Band's "Love Stinks" > at the top of my lungs at least once during the day. > > I don't think I ever got hammered on Valentine's Day. > > Phil F., who finds it HILARIOUS watching men OBVIOUSLY > on the make at a straight bar. > > --- zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > > > Lucky man. I spent Valentine's Day 2005 the way > > every chronically alone > > straight male spends every Valentine's Day: getting > > hammered in a gay > > bar. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:36:38 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? 2fs wrote: > Anyway: fortunately both Rose and I agree on Valentine's Day - we've entered > it into our pathetically cute cat mythology and refer to it as > "Valentinykitten Day" and generally buy each other a card with a cute cat on > it Aw... > Chocolates? Rose can't eat 'em; and while I can, neither of us thinks my > freeranging an entire box of chocolate is a good idea. My hubby isn't very fond of chocolate. Does that stop me from free-ranging through entire boxes of it myself? Not a chance! > Flowers? That'd > probably go over fairly well...except they'd just get knocked over by > wayward cat tails anyway. (Are you sensing who really runs our household > yet?) > I sense exactly where you're coming from. Vases around here must be stable, heavy, and preferably well weighted by glass marbles. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:00:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Curley Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] Good news?? Oh, I don't know...but I have always hated Valentine's Day, and I haven't been alone on that day since what, 1988? I don't remember any particular traumas related to Valentine's Day cards I did or didn't receive when I was a kid either. I just think I always had the impression that the day was manufactured as a way to sell greeting cards and jewelry. Love doesn't really need a holiday. I do have to admit, though, that I am beginning to like the day a little bit more now that my family have started the tradition of making homemade cards for each other. It's pretty hard to sneer at a card made by one of my kids (7 year old daughter and two 4 year old sons). They are ususally full of tissue paper hearts, buttons, string, and anything else they can possibly glue on to a piece of construction paper. Mike - ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Jenny Grover sleeveless@zoominternet.net This list has the highest percentage of weirdos of any list I'm on. Period. It also has the highest percentage of males. Coincidence? As for the Valentine question, is this like a chicken vs. egg thing? Do you guys hate the holiday because it reminds you of being alone, or have you traditionally been alone because you hate a holiday that celebrates love (and expects YOU to actually make a move toward getting it, not just sit back and wait for it to come to you). Jen _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:52:57 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? In a message dated 2/12/2007 11:53:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sleeveless@zoominternet.net writes: As for the Valentine question, is this like a chicken vs. egg thing? Do you guys hate the holiday because it reminds you of being alone, or have you traditionally been alone because you hate a holiday that celebrates love (and expects YOU to actually make a move toward getting it, not just sit back and wait for it to come to you). Jen Well, what can I say, Jen? If you're 39, 80% gay, fat, live with your mom and deliver pizza, there aren't that many people, be they male or female, jumping through hoops of fire to send you a valentine. I've only moved one notch up the pole of dateabllity by being 39, gay, fat, live with mom, am a special ed teacher's aide, and delivering pizza. I have one female in my life besides mom that thinks the sun rises when I do. My dog Missy. I haven't griped about adult Valentines, just when I was a kid. - --Mark "Hello, old friend." (Krusty the clown to his pack of cartoon Marlboro reds) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:04:13 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] Good news?? Mike Curley wrote: > I just think I always had the impression that the day was > manufactured as a way to sell greeting cards and jewelry. Hmm... well, I had heard it went back to the Roman traditions of love lotteries during February and was later linked with St. Valentine, whose feast day is in Feb. and who may or may not have left a love letter for the jailer's daughter before his martyrdom. There was a tradition of exchanging love notes this time of year in Europe before the invention of the Valentine card and the commercialism associated with it and the holiday. Certainly there are other holidays that seem to be perpetuated as a way to sell stuff, like Mother's Day and Father's Day, and more ridiculous things like Boss's Day and whatever PC term is now used in place of Secretary's Day. Still, one need not buy into commercialism to celebrate love, or anything else. > Love doesn't really > need a holiday. > No, but life is short and some people need holidays to remind them who and what they should be thinking of and holding in esteem. Even if we do express love for our loved ones regularly, it's not crime to express it a bit more on a special day, is it? And I've never seen Valentine's Day as a strictly romantic love holiday anyway. I grew up in a climate where children gave cards to their family members, and received them from them in return, and where best friends exchanged them. Often cards were handmade. Bouquets might be hand-made paper flowers. Treats might be home cooked. > I do have to admit, though, that I am beginning to like the > day a little bit more now that my family have started the tradition of making > homemade cards for each other. It's pretty hard to sneer at a card made by one > of my kids (7 year old daughter and two 4 year old sons). They are ususally > full of tissue paper hearts, buttons, string, and anything else they can > possibly glue on to a piece of construction paper. > Yep! As with any holiday, you can give gifts and expressions that don't buy into commercialism, and you have expressed very well how much fun those kinds of things are, and how creative they can be. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:06:42 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] btw Michael at work having lots of sex is understandable. He's engaged, 17 and will become a professional welder by summer (job in line, in vocational school as part of his h.s. curriculum). He's also good looking, has long dreads, and is a metalhead in a band. Metal and sex go together like leather and spandex. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:12:01 -0800 From: "bradley skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? I'll fess up, I love Valentine's Day--really love it. We get dressed up, go out to a nice Italian restaraunt, drink wine. I like picking out a card, trying to think up something meaningful and romantic to say. It always makes me really stop and think about where we're at--what goals we're working towards, what we've been through (good and bad) recently. It's nice to put everything else on hold and just focus on hanging out. We do hat on our own sometimes, but the fact that it's a holiday gives something extra--some kind of sense of community maybe? ritual? I don't know, but I really like it... B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:14:14 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good news?? CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > Well, what can I say, Jen? If you're 39, 80% gay, fat, live with your mom > and deliver pizza, there aren't that many people, be they male or female, > jumping through hoops of fire to send you a valentine. I've only moved one notch > up the pole of dateabllity by being 39, gay, fat, live with mom, am a > special ed teacher's aide, and delivering pizza. > > Yes, but what about that special someone you were so happy to tell me just two days ago that still loves you in a romantic sense? STILL loves you, which should remind you that there was a relationship there. You have not been perpetually "undatable", and you did have someone after you last year, too, even though that person turned out to be creepy (and who says we don't ALL end up with some creepy admirers?). I also don't see anything in your "profile", based on other people I have known, that necessarily makes you undesirable. > I have one female in my life besides mom that thinks the sun rises when I > do. My dog Missy. > And if you're 80% gay, why would it matter what females think? > > I haven't griped about adult Valentines, just when I was a kid. > Did anyone say you had? Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #37 ******************************