From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #32 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, February 8 2007 Volume 07 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] dynamico [CertronC90@aol.com] [loud-fans] wrapped around your scalpel [CertronC90@aol.com] [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [2fs ] RE: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols ["Tom Galczynski" ] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [LeftyZ@aol.com] [loud-fans] i've heard it all now [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] i've heard it all now [CertronC90@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:30:28 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dynamico In a message dated 2/6/2007 5:40:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, angrylambie1@yahoo.com writes: Ditto - Joe & Sue - too cool! Been playing it daily, tapping my toes - and at work where people bop their heads to it - excellent record! catchy hooks - cool lyrics - exceeds expectations - can't wait to drive cross-country with it in the CD player Robert Well, damn! I can't wait for it to arrive! I bought the money order today at the post office, and I almost walked out the door without it, but was stopped by the clerk ("Your money order, SIR!") I even left the house without the 125 addy, but luckily, Jen was home, and I got it in the mail on the way to work before the last collection of the day. I didn't want to wait another day by waiting to get home after work to get the address. Who knows? Maybe this record will blow everyone's expectations in sales, and make Mitch, Joe and Sue a nice little wad o' cash. A bright spark in a dim room (a bright pop gem in a dim music landscape), - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:44:22 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] wrapped around your scalpel Looking at some old Police pics AOL is running, when did Sting have the nose job? I'm guessing it had to have been between GHOST IN THE MACHINE and SYNCHRONICITY. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:55:55 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols I've yet to see an episode of this show, but I saw a clip from it on AOL, and one on AOL the other week, where Paula Abdul lashed out at Simon for being a "little boy." I just saw another one, and he made a woman cry, and then said something like, "What's tragic is that she's a music teacher." That wasn't necessary--it was below the belt, and I just can't believe he'd talk to a woman like that. Is he for real, or is this part of his act? I mean, he's a totat d***head. I'm by no means a violent man, but I want to beat the sh** out of him, and I've only seen about 4 total minutes of the show. His bio reveals he's a record producer of stuff I've never heard of. He can't be for real. Is he? I used to think Rush Limbaugh wasn't for real, but he actually believes the stuff he says. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:21:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols On 2/7/07, CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > > I've yet to see an episode of this show, but I saw a clip from it on AOL, > and one on AOL the other week, where Paula Abdul lashed out at Simon for > being a > "little boy." I just saw another one, and he made a woman cry, and then > said something like, "What's tragic is that she's a music teacher." That > wasn't necessary--it was below the belt, and I just can't believe he'd > talk to a > woman like that. Is he for real, or is this part of his act? I mean, > he's a > totat d***head. I'm by no means a violent man, but I want to beat the > sh** > out of him, and I've only seen about 4 total minutes of the show. His > bio > reveals he's a record producer of stuff I've never heard of. This post apparently got lost in the emailiferous aether for about six years or so, but...that is his shtick for sure. Whether it's "real" - in other words, whether he's an actual asshole or only plays one on TV - I don't know. Apparently, though, large numbers of Americans think other people humiliating themselves is wonderful entertainment. That last, also a news flash. Of course, for all I know, every last entrant on AI is actually an actor playing a role, and no one's actually humiliated at all - any more than an actor playing an idiot onstage is actually an idiot. Unless he is one, of course - but then, an audience of idiots would be the least likely to notice. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:28:52 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols - ----- Original Message ----- From: > I've yet to see an episode of this show, but I saw a clip from it on > AOL, > and one on AOL the other week, where Paula Abdul lashed out at Simon > for being a > "little boy." I just saw another one, and he made a woman cry, and > then > said something like, "What's tragic is that she's a music teacher." > That > wasn't necessary--it was below the belt, and I just can't believe > he'd talk to a > woman like that. If this is the woman who was on last night, her audition was Alannah Myles' "Black Velvet" delivered in the idioglossia that Jodie Foster spoke in NELL. Not one word was intelligible, and she clearly had no concept of pitch. It was an appallingly bad audition even by American Idol standards, and the fact that this woman calls herself a music teacher is an insult both to teachers and to music. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:44:28 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols My wife is an Idol addict (thank god for our DVR), so I watch with her sometimes. I think Simon is actually a bit nicer this season than he has been in the past. Not that much, but a little bit. Generally, though, I think he's a pretty good judge of talent -- I usually spot the same flaws he does. Randy and Paula tend to forgive flaws in people they like or that have a sad backstory. He's harsher than he needs to be, but thats Simons thing, and part of the reason he (as the producer of the show) is one of the richest people in Hollywood. Paula, on the other hand, needs to get herself into rehab fast. Anybody catch the heavyset curlyhaired guy who auditioned a couple weeks ago, and said his goal in the competition was "to make David Hasselhoff cry"? Hope he gets a little more airtime before they toss him. The show needs a few more characters like him. Chris On Feb 7, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: >> I've yet to see an episode of this show, but I saw a clip from it >> on AOL, >> and one on AOL the other week, where Paula Abdul lashed out at >> Simon for being a >> "little boy." I just saw another one, and he made a woman cry, >> and then >> said something like, "What's tragic is that she's a music >> teacher." That >> wasn't necessary--it was below the belt, and I just can't believe >> he'd talk to a >> woman like that. > > If this is the woman who was on last night, her audition was > Alannah Myles' "Black Velvet" delivered in the idioglossia that > Jodie Foster spoke in NELL. Not one word was intelligible, and she > clearly had no concept of pitch. It was an appallingly bad > audition even by American Idol standards, and the fact that this > woman calls herself a music teacher is an insult both to teachers > and to music. > > S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:48:50 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols In a message dated 2/7/2007 2:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: Apparently, though, large numbers of Americans think other people humiliating themselves is wonderful entertainment. When I saw this, I thought, "We've hit an all time low." It's like our version of the Roman Coliseum, and Simon has his thumb down. My mom told me the other day that she doesn't like to go out anymore because of how rude people are, both in the stores and on the roads. Greenville is by no means a smallish Southern town anymore--it's more like what Charlotte was in the eighties, and that may be part of it, but I think it goes deeper. Hell, the way children act now is a big reason why teachers quit in droves. They can be horrible--teachers can't do anything and the kids know it, and their parents, more often than not, don't really care. I asked a child in my class last year who was a behavior problem (when subbing) what her parents did--and I always do this to get a profile of the child--and I ALWAYS get the same answer--"My parents are divorced." Also, I've heard, "One of my daddy's is in jail." I'm going off on a tangent, but I don't like tv now because I can see how far we've degraded as a culture since I quit watching regularly in '93. Shows from as little as 15 years ago seem charming by comparison to stuff on now. "Prison Break" for example wouldn't have been on back then--it would simply be considered too dark. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:09:33 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols On 2/7/07, Chris Prew wrote: > > My wife is an Idol addict (thank god for our DVR), so I watch with > her sometimes. I think Simon is actually a bit nicer this season > than he has been in the past. Not that much, but a little bit. > Generally, though, I think he's a pretty good judge of talent -- I > usually spot the same flaws he does. The flaw I would spot on AI contestants - judging from the limited amount I've heard - is that their music sucks. I really don't understand why anyone would willingly subject themselves to all that tortured melismatics. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:19:02 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols In a message dated 2/7/2007 2:32:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: If this is the woman who was on last night, her audition was Alannah Myles' "Black Velvet" delivered in the idioglossia that Jodie Foster spoke in NELL. Not one word was intelligible, and she clearly had no concept of pitch. It was an appallingly bad audition even by American Idol standards, and the fact that this woman calls herself a music teacher is an insult both to teachers and to music. S She was terrible, but it could have been handled better, in my opinion. Now that I know he's the show's producer, it makes more sense to me. He's being mean because people tune in. If he were nice, the show wouldn't be on. He's acting. The audience loves it. Imagine going to a job interview and the interviewer says, "I can't believe your choice of shoes and what's up with that beard? Lose a little weight, porky, and maybe I can get you in the mailroom. It doesn't matter you have over 200 college credit hours. You're fat." (we're talking about me here--this did happen once when I was told that I didn't have the right "image" for a company, even though I was way qualified) As for the Jodie Foster NELL comparison, you are spot on, but it worked for Courtney Love on "Doll Parts." - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:32:18 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Imagine going to a job interview and the interviewer says, "I can't > believe > your choice of shoes and what's up with that beard? Lose a little > weight, > porky, and maybe I can get you in the mailroom. It doesn't matter > you have > over 200 college credit hours. You're fat." (we're talking about me > here--this > did happen once when I was told that I didn't have the right "image" > for a > company, even though I was way qualified) But that doesn't make any sense, because this isn't a job interview, and the problem wasn't her look. This was a musical audition. She was an atrociously bad singer. She wasn't even one of the marginal singers that they put through to the next level because they might get better with a little practice and coaching. She was repellently awful, and the fact that she claimed to be a music teacher was absurd. And if after six years, this woman walked into this audition without the knowledge that one of the judges is known for telling awful singers that they're awful, then she should have gotten disqualified simply on the basis of general cluelessness. However, the real irony of your analogy is that two of the early front-runners from the audition shows are guys named Jason "Sundance" Head and Chris Sligh...who are fat southern guys with crap beards. However, they can sing, and they have good personalities. So...they got through. Black Velvet Girl didn't. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:40:20 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols CertronC90@aol.com on 2/7/2007 12:48:50 PM wrote: >When I saw this, I thought, "We've hit an all time low." >It's like our version of the Roman Coliseum, and Simon >has his thumb down. My girlfriend is an AI watcher, so I've seen some episodes lately. From what I can tell, she's more interested in watching the good people get ahead than in watching the bad get humiliated. So she doesn't get into the early "Gong Show" rounds much. I'm not sure how typical a viewer she is though. >I'm going off on a tangent, but I don't like tv now >because I can see how far we've degraded as a culture >since I quit watching regularly in '93. Shows >from as little as 15 years ago seem charming by >comparison to stuff on now. "Prison Break" for >example wouldn't have been on back then--it would >simply be considered too dark. Thank God for TV Land, Mark, so you can watch those old Leave It To Beaver and Little House On The Prairie episodes. BTW, those Nip/Tuck DVDs I sent you should be arriving soon. Seriously, TV now is better than it's ever been. The problem is that there's *too much* good stuff to watch, largely because of the move to more darker and adult material. Can't wait to see what HBO does with A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE and PREACHER. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:11:27 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols On 2/7/07, Roger Winston wrote: > > CertronC90@aol.com on 2/7/2007 12:48:50 PM wrote: > > >When I saw this, I thought, "We've hit an all time low." > >It's like our version of the Roman Coliseum, and Simon > >has his thumb down. > > >I'm going off on a tangent, but I don't like tv now > >because I can see how far we've degraded as a culture > >since I quit watching regularly in '93. Shows > >from as little as 15 years ago seem charming by > >comparison to stuff on now. "Prison Break" for > >example wouldn't have been on back then--it would > >simply be considered too dark. > > Seriously, TV now is better than it's ever been. The > problem is that there's *too much* good stuff to > watch, largely because of the move to more darker and > adult material. Can't wait to see what HBO does with > A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE and PREACHER. I at least would distinguish between "dark" as in _Prison Break_ (which I've only ever seen ads for - dark it may be, but "stupid" seems more apt) or _24_ or even something like _Millennium_ from several years back, and the sorts of shows that thrive by putting people up there to act like complete morons (Springer, a lot of "reality" shows). The moods, and the appeals the shows have for their viewers, I think are completely different. Specifically, I don't think you have to be well-endowed in the mean department to enjoy "dark" shows (well, I suppose it depends how you enjoy them). But my reaction to shows of the latter sort - especially when I'm like in a public place trying to eat lunch and the TV's all "here are a bunch of people almost getting killed, isn't it exciting?" - is to wish I'd brought one of those magic all-purpose remotes to turn the damned thing off. (Of course, that's not as bad as when they're playing one of Bush's press conferences.) The "Gong Show" portions of AI don't quite lower themselves to that level - people may be misguided in thinking they're entertaining people, but at least they're not blubbering and screaming over their next door neighbor who persuaded their teenage daughter to have an affair with their dog - and the neighbor's there grinning a toothless grin and throwing a chair. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:24:41 -0600 From: "Tom Galczynski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols 2fs said: > Specifically, I don't think you have to be well-endowed in the mean > department to enjoy "dark" shows (well, I suppose it depends > how you enjoy > them). But my reaction to shows of the latter sort - > especially when I'm > like in a public place trying to eat lunch and the TV's all > "here are a > bunch of people almost getting killed, isn't it exciting?" - > is to wish I'd > brought one of those magic all-purpose remotes to turn the > damned thing off. Ditto. And aside from the fact that the game sucked (when was the last time you thought the half time show was BETTER than the game?) the most annoying part of SB XLI was the incessant and relentless CBS promos for their seemingly endless slate of forensic/serial-killer/grisly-crime-solvers shows each one trying to outdo the other in "pushing the envelope". If "dark" is done well, fine but these shows are just tacky. T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:40:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Pazz & Jop http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/winners.php?type=album http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/index.php?page=ballots&mid=7648 Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:43:28 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols I don't care much about IDOL, but let's at least credit the show for making it possible to walk into a Virgin Megastore and hear Barry Manilow singing an Association medley. There are a lot of songwriters adored by many on this list who'll tell you that IDOL is the best thing that's happened to their careers in decades. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:53:45 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols - ----- Original Message ----- From: "2fs" > The flaw I would spot on AI contestants - judging from the limited > amount > I've heard - is that their music sucks. > > I really don't understand why anyone would willingly subject > themselves to > all that tortured melismatics. Well, for one thing, the idea of watching American Idol without time-shifting is unthinkable. It's truly the first post-TiVo show, because I can't imagine sitting an watching an episode of American Idol straight through, without either fast-forwarding through the boring singers or skipping back 15 seconds to replay the "okay, what?" moments, such as last night when Charity pointed out that one contestant was sporting quite possibly the world's most prominent cameltoe, which I had somehow missed, or the contestant a couple of weeks ago who prefaced her audition with the tale of how she lives with her grandmother and helps take care of her dad, who's paralyzed from the chest down because he shot himself in the throat in a botched murder-suicide. It was the way that she kept embroidering the increasingly horrific story with a refrain of "But it's OKAYYYYYYYY..." that was getting me. So that's part of it, that you just fast-forward through the boring stuff. But the other part is that every year, I get at least a couple of favorites whose voices and music choices I genuinely like. Like last year, there was this teenager named Paris Bennett who was doing this kinda Blossom Dearie meets Al Jarreau thing that I really liked, and the year before that, there was this drop dead gorgeous woman named Nadia Turner who had a sort of Dusty Springfield tough-chick vibe. And then there are the contestants who I just find entertaining as people: last year's winner, Taylor Hicks, is nothing special as a singer -- the world has one Michael McDonald already -- but I found him endearingly goofy. So, really it's just a matter of enjoying the enjoyable parts and ignoring the rest. Generally, as my favorites get voted off, which usually happens somewhere in the middle, I stop paying attention until the last couple of weeks. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:28:44 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pazz & Jop From the "two random groups of 500 reaching the same consensus" dept. Village Voice 2006 Pazz & Jop Poll (494 voters) 1. Modern Times by Bob Dylan 2. Return To Cookie Mountain by TV On The Radio 3. Fishscale by Ghostface Killah 4. Boys And Girls In America by The Hold Steady 5. St. Elsewhere by Gnarls Barkley 6. Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not by Arctic Monkeys 7. Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse 8. Fox Confessor Brings The Flood by Neko Case 9. Ys by Joanna Newsom 10. Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards by Tom Waits Idolator 2006 Jackin' Pop Critics Poll (497 voters) 1. Return To Cookie Mountain by TV On The Radio 2. Fishscale by Ghostface Killah 3. Boys And Girls In America by The Hold Steady 4. Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse 5. Ys by Joanna Newsom 6. Modern Times by Bob Dylan 7. St. Elsewhere by Gnarls Barkley 8. Silent Shout by The Knife 9. Fox Confessor Brings The Flood by Neko Case 10. The Life Pursuit by Belle & Sebastian - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:34:48 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols Anyone else out there afraid that this thread is a sign of the Apocalypse for this list? ( : Left ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:56:46 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] i've heard it all now "Blister in the Sun" backing a Wendy's commercial. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:01:49 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols Roger Winston wrote: > Seriously, TV now is better than it's ever been. Is that really saying much? There's always been a lot of crap on TV, and there still is, only there's more channels of it now. I don't watch much TV because there isn't much that interests me there (can't get into the drama, sitcom, contest type stuff at all), repulsion to some of the "dark" material aside (I don't mind dark themes, but I don't want to see gore and decomposing bodies when I'm surfing channels over dinner-- or anytime, for that matter). I will never get over the real life firefighting show several years ago I stumbled on by accident while surfing, that was actual footage, not dramatized, that showed them discovering the body of a baby that had died in a fire-- a body that the parents outside were not even allowed to see, despite their pleas, as it was taken away, covered, in an ambulance. The shock of that really turned the tide for me as far as TV is concerned. Not only was it horrific, but it was disrespectful to the victim and his grieving family. I'm sure that show had disclaimers, but those only work if you tune in at the beginning of a segment. What annoys me a lot, though, is that the so-called learning, discovery, etc. channels have sunk. Now it's tattoos, motorcycles, and archeology and science shows that are increasingly thin on material per show and therefore repeat everything they've already said after every commercial break (a practice that makes me want to scream). Maybe some of the HBO stuff is good, but we don't subscribe to any premium channels, and I can't imagine we would get our money's worth out of them. Ah, well... baseball season will be here in about 6 weeks... Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:31:24 -0600 From: Francis J H Park Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i've heard it all now Jenny Grover wrote: > "Blister in the Sun" backing a Wendy's commercial. > > Jen > > I heard The Kennedys' "Life Is Large" Muzakified in a furniture store in High Point, NC a few years ago. I really do like Pete and Maura Kennedy's music...to think of them being played over Muzak was one heckuva shock to the system. - -- Francis J. H. Park Fort Leavenworth, KS, USA http://tbolp.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:37:40 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i've heard it all now - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Grover" > "Blister in the Sun" backing a Wendy's commercial. > How about Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel's "Make Me Smile (Come Up and See Me)" backing the closing montage of tonight's American Idol? S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:54:17 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i've heard it all now On 2/7/07, Jenny Grover wrote: > > "Blister in the Sun" backing a Wendy's commercial. And that song's just *full* of appetizing imagery... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:37:30 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (non-tender) Idols In a message dated 2/7/2007 3:33:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: But that doesn't make any sense, because this isn't a job interview, and the problem wasn't her look. This was a musical audition. My point was, if someone said the examples I gave to a person at a job interview, lawyers would be called. However, by telling me it was I didn't have the right image, it was handled with class, even though I still thought they were plastic assholes. However it's found entertaining to make fun of people the way Simon LeMal does on national tv, when a person with class would have left off the comment about her job, which was unbelievably tacky, and I thought it was off the meter foul. She may be an excellent teacher, even if she can't sing. There are some awesome English teachers out there who write really bad poetry and prose themselves. I've had 'em. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 02:54:42 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i've heard it all now In a message dated 2/7/2007 8:01:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sleeveless@zoominternet.net writes: "Blister in the Sun" backing a Wendy's commercial. Jen God, the Wendy's that I worked at for my first job in '84 is in the news here--a 22-year-old guy who worked there was shot in the neck in the parking lot outside when he was leaving late (closing), and they have no leads, and his private life reveals no reason for his murder. They think it was they were just wanting money. He'd waited on me before. He was a genuinely nice person, who struck up a conversation with me before. Truly evil and tragic. I hope the SOBs fry who killed him. - --Mark ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #32 ******************************