From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V7 #26 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, February 2 2007 Volume 07 : Number 026 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] It's happened again [Russ Lewis ] Re: [loud-fans] It's happened again [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] poll results [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] poll results ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results ["Steve Holtebeck" ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] It's happened again [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Analog? [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] The new Mitch Easter CD is here! [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] The new Mitch Easter CD is here! [CertronC90@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 02:13:33 -0800 From: Russ Lewis Subject: [loud-fans] It's happened again In the May 2001 issue of the Publication of the Modern Language Association (PMLA), there's an article by Prof. Linda Hutcheon of the Univ. of Toronto titled "She Do the President in Different Voices*" with a footnote on the first page that reads, "With apologies to T.S. Eliot and Charles Dickens." It's a transcript of her address to a convention of the MLA. Oh, and a friend assures me that "This Is the Day" by the The is now being used in an M&M's commercial. What's the deal? Ad agencies are now staffed by aging college radio DJs? If so, what GTLF songs do you recommend for a specific product? I propose using "Metal Machine Music" on an Excedrin commercial. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:51:54 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It's happened again In a message dated 2/1/07 5:57:58 AM, rlewis@nethere.com writes: > > Oh, and a friend assures me that "This Is the Day" by the The is now > being used in an M&M's commercial. > That would be the second time for "This Is The Day," after showing up in an ad for Dockers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] poll results Here they are. If you want to read the long version (it has the lists of everything that only got one vote), it's at http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf06/results.txt ALBUMS 1/ Loud Family And Anton Barbeau - What If It Works? (76.26 points) 2/ Belle And Sebastian - The Life Pursuit (42.13 points) 3/ Pernice Brothers - Live A Little (35.12 points) 4/ Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings The Flood (32.12 points) 5/ Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid Of You And I Will Beat Your Ass (24.08 points) 6/ Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies (20.07 points) 7/ Robyn Hitchcock And The Venus 3 - Ole! Tarantula (19.08 points) 8/ Hold Steady - Boys And Girls In America (17.06 points) 8/ Bob Dylan - Modern Times (17.06 points) 10/ Lindsey Buckingham - Under The Skin (15.06 points) 11/ Sparks - Hello Young Lovers (14.05 points) 12/ Matthew Sweet And Susanna Hoffs - Under The Covers, Vol. 1 (14.04 points) 12/ Scott Walker - The Drift (14.04 points) 14/ Mew - And The Glass Handed Kites (13.04 points) 14/ Don Dixon - The Entire Combustible World In One Small Room (13.04 points) 16/ Jon Auer - Songs From The Year Of Our Demise (12.05 points) 17/ Scritti Politti - White Bread, Black Beer (11.04 points) 18/ Dixie Chicks - Taking The Long Way (11.03 points) 19/ Pipettes - We Are The Pipettes (10.03 points) 19/ Format - Dog Problems (10.03 points) 19/ TV On The Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain (10.03 points) 19/ Gil Ray - I Am Atomic Man! (10.03 points) 19/ Dresden Dolls - Yes, Virginia... (10.03 points) 24/ Decemberists - The Crane Wife (9.06 points) 25/ Raconteurs - Broken Boy Soldiers (9.04 points) 26/ Beirut - Gulag Orkestar (9.03 points) 27/ Editors - The Back Room (8.04 points) 27/ Mission Of Burma - The Obliterati (8.04 points) 29/ Joanna Newsom - Ys (8.03 points) 29/ Aloha - Some Echoes (8.03 points) 29/ Cat Power - The Greatest (8.03 points) 32/ Church - Uninvited Like The Clouds (8.02 points) 33/ Calexico - Garden Ruin (7.03 points) 34/ Tim O'Reagan - Tim O'Reagan (7.02 points) 34/ Glossary - For What I Don't Become (7.02 points) 36/ Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country (6.04 points) 37/ Essex Green - Cannibal Sea (6.04 points) 37/ Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere (6.04 points) 39/ Asobi Seksu - Citrus (6.02 points) 39/ Shearwater - Palo Santo (6.02 points) 39/ Margot And The Nuclear So And So's - The Dust Of Retreat (6.02 points) 39/ Delays - You See Colours (6.02 points) 39/ Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell III: The Monster Is Loose (6.02 points) 39/ Elvis Costello And Allen Toussaint - The River In Reverse (6.02 points) 39/ David Mead - Tangerine (6.02 points) 39/ Josh Ritter - The Animal Years (6.02 points) 47/ Persephone's Bees - Notes From The Underworld (5.02 points) 47/ Subtle - For Hero: For Fool (5.02 points) 47/ Morrissey - Ringleader Of The Tormentors (5.02 points) 47/ Bottle Rockets - Zoysia (5.02 points) 47/ Smoosh - Free To Stay (5.02 points) 47/ Sonic Youth - Rather Ripped (5.02 points) 47/ Nellie McKay - Pretty Little Head (5.02 points) 54/ (twelve albums that got one five-point vote) 66/ Richard Buckner - Meadow (4.03 points) 66/ Tommy Keene - Crashing The Ether (4.03 points) 66/ Minus 5 - The Minus 5 (The Gun Album) (4.03 points) 69/ Tom Waits - Orphans, Brawlers, Bawlers And Bastards (4.02 points) 69/ Roots - Game Theory (4.02 points) 69/ Bettie Serveert - Bare Stripped Naked (4.02 points) 69/ T-Bone Burnett - The True False Identity (4.02 points) 69/ His Name Is Alive - Detrola (4.02 points) 69/ Grizzly Bear - Yellow House (4.02 points) 69/ Dirty On Purpose - Hallelujah Sirens (4.02 points) 69/ Eels - Live At Town Hall (4.02 points) 69/ Bon Savants - Post-Rock Defends The Nation (4.02 points) 69/ Paper Chase - Now You Are One Of Us (4.02 points) 69/ Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine (4.02 points) 69/ Steve Wynn And The Miracle 3 - ...tick ...tick ...tick (4.02 points) 81/ (24 albums that got one four-point vote) 105/ Beatles - Love (3.03 points) 106/ Barenaked Ladies - Barenaked Ladies Are Me (3.02 points) 106/ Fiery Furnaces - Bitter Tea (3.02 points) 106/ Lansing-Dreiden - The Dividing Island (3.02 points) 106/ ...and You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - So Divided (3.02 points) 106/ Art Brut - Bang Bang Rock And Roll (3.02 points) 106/ Final Fantasy - He Poos Clouds (3.02 points) 112/ (48 albums that got one three-point vote) 160/ Capitol Years - Dance Away The Terror (2.02 points) 160/ Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Show Your Bones (2.02 points) 160/ Momus - Ocky Milk (2.02 points) 160/ Josh Rouse - Subtitulo (2.02 points) 160/ David Bazan - Fewer Moving Parts (2.02 points) 160/ Tom Petty - Highway Companion (2.02 points) 160/ Now It's Overhead - Dark Light Daybreak (2.02 points) 167/ (60 albums that got one two-point vote) 227/ (58 albums that got one one-point vote) MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (raw) 1/ Steve Holtebeck (8 points) 2/ R. Kevin Doyle (6.83 points) 3/ Jim Robson (6.8 points) 4/ Anthony Miloscia (6.54 points) 4/ Randy Beever (6.54 points) 6/ Bradley Skaught (6.28 points) 7/ Dan Stillwell (5.62 points) 8/ CJ Camp (5.59 points) 9/ Jeff Downing (5.46 points) 10/ Tom G (5.42 points) 11/ Jeff Norman (5.19 points) 12/ Andrea Weiss (4.99 points) 13/ Michael Zwirn (4.94 points) 14/ Mark Staples (4.85 points) 15/ Richard Gagnon (4.73 points) 15/ Wes Vokes (4.73 points) 17/ Mike Curley (4.65 points) 18/ Miles Goosens (4.51 points) 19/ Richard richblath@hotmail.com (4.16 points) 20/ Chris Prew (4.02 points) 21/ Gil Ray (3.97 points) 22/ Jer Fairall (3.62 points) 23/ Andrew Hamlin (3.47 points) 23/ Brian Block (3.47 points) 25/ Tom Krueger (3.39 points) 26/ Glen Sarvady (3.05 points) 27/ Doug C (2.83 points) 28/ Jen Grover (2.81 points) 29/ Larry Tucker (2.41 points) 30/ Michael braneout@earthlink.net (1.92 points) 31/ Steven Matrick (1.87 points) 32/ glenn mcdonald (1.67 points) 33/ Stewart craigtorso@verizon.net (1.58 points) 34/ John Bartlett (1.27 points) 35/ Aaron Mandel (0.75 points) 36/ Sarah Gordon (0.31 points) 37/ dmw (0.29 points) MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (weighted) 1/ Gil Ray (18.67 points) 2/ CJ Camp (18.24 points) 3/ Michael Zwirn (17.19 points) 4/ Jim Robson (16.84 points) 5/ Richard Gagnon (13.35 points) 6/ Bradley Skaught (13.31 points) 7/ Tom G (12.05 points) 8/ Jer Fairall (11.6 points) 9/ R. Kevin Doyle (11.45 points) 10/ Wes Vokes (11.34 points) 11/ Tom Krueger (11.25 points) 12/ Richard richblath@hotmail.com (10.48 points) 13/ Jeff Downing (10.34 points) 14/ Randy Beever (9.93 points) 15/ Brian Block (9.62 points) 16/ Chris Prew (9.28 points) 17/ Anthony Miloscia (8.7 points) 18/ Glen Sarvady (8.31 points) 19/ Steve Holtebeck (7.72 points) 20/ Dan Stillwell (6.88 points) 21/ Michael braneout@earthlink.net (6.63 points) 22/ Mark Staples (6.26 points) 23/ Doug C (6.03 points) 24/ Jeff Norman (5.8 points) 25/ Steven Matrick (5.77 points) 26/ Andrea Weiss (5.57 points) 27/ Andrew Hamlin (3.85 points) 28/ Stewart craigtorso@verizon.net (3.77 points) 29/ Larry Tucker (2.85 points) 30/ glenn mcdonald (2.65 points) 31/ Miles Goosens (2.59 points) 32/ Jen Grover (1.27 points) 33/ Mike Curley (1.14 points) 34/ Sarah Gordon (1.01 points) 35/ Aaron Mandel (0.35 points) 36/ John Bartlett (0.27 points) 37/ dmw (0.04 points) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:43:17 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results On 2/1/07, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > Here they are. If you want to read the long version (it has the lists of > everything that only got one vote), it's at > > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf06/results.txt > > ALBUMS > > 1/ Loud Family And Anton Barbeau - What If It Works? (76.26 points) You know, this actually surprises me. Maybe it's just the relatively low traffic level of the list these days - but it seemed as if a lot of people were fairly lukewarm on this one. It is sort of a weird beast - more like 1/3 Scott Miller EP, 1/3 Anton EP, and 1/3 EP of favorite covers, rather than a completely coherent album - but I'd agree the songs and arranging are pretty fine. > 160/ Momus - Ocky Milk (2.02 points) I forget the scoring formula - but I may be alone in having nominated this one... > MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (weighted) > 1/ Gil Ray (18.67 points) No comment! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:52:43 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results I confess I don't respond to the list as much as I should, but I would like to state with some pride (and more than a little concern) that I continue to be one of the most normal Loud Fans when I am in the raw. R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:59:07 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, 2fs wrote: >> 1/ Loud Family And Anton Barbeau - What If It Works? (76.26 points) > > You know, this actually surprises me. Me too. I was expecting it to score more like From Ritual To Romance did. (10th place in 2002.) >> 160/ Momus - Ocky Milk (2.02 points) > > I forget the scoring formula - but I may be alone in having nominated this > one... Sorry, I really should have been less curt in posting. The program adds .01 to the value of each vote, so that you can see how many people listed an album by looking at the digits after the decimal point. I apologize for that being needlessly 'clever'; I should rewrite the program one of these days. And I was the other Momus vote, for what it's worth. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:35:02 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results > You know, this actually surprises me. Maybe it's just the relatively low > traffic level of the list these days - but it seemed as if a lot of people > were fairly lukewarm on this one. It is sort of a weird beast - more like > 1/3 Scott Miller EP, 1/3 Anton EP, and 1/3 EP of favorite covers, rather > than a completely coherent album - but I'd agree the songs and arranging > are > pretty fine. While I've run across two Loudfans whose reactions resembled "shrug," I had no problem loving the little sucker from the get-go. I'm surprised, actually, that it didn't generate the list mania seen with previous releases. Aaron did yeoman's work on this, as always. Let us, indeed, clap our hands say yeah to the man from Massachusetts. Hey Aaron, is there any place people can see individual ballots, or get their ballot (and/or somebody else's) mailed to them? You know how I like to gauge my weirdness. And, sorry, how does that "raw" vs. "weighted" business work...? Andy "People who are married do weird things." - --overheard at work recently ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:53:13 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results - ----- Original Message ----- From: "2fs" >> ALBUMS >> >> 1/ Loud Family And Anton Barbeau - What If It Works? (76.26 points) > > > > You know, this actually surprises me. Maybe it's just the relatively > low > traffic level of the list these days - but it seemed as if a lot of > people > were fairly lukewarm on this one. It is sort of a weird beast - more > like > 1/3 Scott Miller EP, 1/3 Anton EP, and 1/3 EP of favorite covers, > rather > than a completely coherent album - but I'd agree the songs and > arranging are > pretty fine. If I remember Aaron's scoring system correctly, the decimal is the number of people who voted for an album. Which according to his list of 37 participants means at least 11 people who voted didn't have the album on their list at all (I'm one of those), so I would say that qualifies as lukewarm. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:01:19 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results On 2/1/07, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, 2fs wrote: > > >> 1/ Loud Family And Anton Barbeau - What If It Works? (76.26 points) > > > > You know, this actually surprises me. > Me too. I was expecting it to score more like From Ritual To Romance > did. (10th place in 2002.) FRTR was a live album, which lots of people don't put on end-of-year lists. Just based on the principal of common overlapping taste, any LF or SM studio project (even SCOTT MILLER'S YODELING BAGPIPES) would have a head start in the loud-fans album poll. > The program adds .01 to the value of each vote, so that you can see how > many people listed an album by looking at the digits after the decimal > point. I apologize for that being needlessly 'clever'; I should rewrite > the program one of these days. I probably say this every year, but Aaron's scoring formula is one of the cleverest things I've ever seen! Adding .01 to each vote makes it so three people giving two points to something ranks higher than two people giving three points (reducing the possibility of ties), and each point total has two pieces of information. The 76.26 points for WIIW says that 26 people voted for the album and it had an average vote total of 2.89 points/vote (meaning it was a "middle of the pack" album for most people). And I also continue to be astounded to be in a poll of 40 people where my picks are either most normal or second most normal (in the raw division) year after year. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 15:22:35 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > And, sorry, how does that "raw" vs. "weighted" business work...? Geez, I was really on autopilot this year, wasn't I? The 'raw' score is the total score of all the albums you voted for, divided by the number of albums you voted for. The 'weighted' score is the sum of (number of points you gave the album * number other people gave it) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- total points assigned on your ballot which is to say, it's like the raw score, only the person who listed The Loud Family first and Momus second will be more normal than the person who listed Momus first and The Loud Family second. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:23:10 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It's happened again Russ Lewis wrote: > what GTLF songs do you > recommend for a specific product? > "Save Your Money" could go for either a financial institution/investment corporation, or even an airline. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:34:13 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results On 2/1/07, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > > > And, sorry, how does that "raw" vs. "weighted" business work...? > > Geez, I was really on autopilot this year, wasn't I? Absolutely no need to apologize - you do all this work, year after year, and probably a lot of people don't care about "raw" vs. "weighted," so waiting till someone asks is perfectly reasonable. I second Andy's thanks. Oh - and the ".01" thing also allows instant analysis of how strongly people felt about an album: something that scores 10.02 means those two people gave it an average of 5 points, whereas another CD scoring 10.06 means six people gave it an average of 1.67 points. For what that's worth. Trivial detail: the "Sid & Suzy" CD listed at 81 is the same as the Sweet/Hoffs thing - which, if I'm doing this right, raises it to #8, just above The Hold Steady & Dylan. (note: my math may need to be corrected.) NP: The Fall _Reformation Post TLC_ (leaked British edition) - not as good as _Fall Heads Roll_, and weighed down by an interminable 10-minute synth wallow, but better than _Are You Are.... The American release due later this month rearranges the tracks somewhat. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:36:10 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, 2fs wrote: > Oh - and the ".01" thing also allows instant analysis of how strongly > people felt about an album: something that scores 10.02 means those two > people gave it an average of 5 points, whereas another CD scoring 10.06 > means six people gave it an average of 1.67 points. For what that's > worth. Yeah, I totally think that information is worth including (and using as a tiebreaker)-- I just think "10.02 points" could be output easily as "10 points in 2 votes", which is easier to read and understand. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Analog? - --- CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > Did Mitch record himself > in digital or analog? > Doesn't he have both available at his studio? I see Joe answered this nicely, but...funny that you bring this up. The inside photo on the cd is a picture of Mitch playing a guitar, standing next to what I strongly believe is the cool, old tape machine that GT recorded BSC! Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:18:10 -0800 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > 16/ Jon Auer - Songs From The Year Of Our Demise (12.05 points) i was going to express some surprise that this placed higher than the actual Posies album, to which i at least assigned more points.....until i realized....damn, i am getting old or something. doug c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:33:43 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The new Mitch Easter CD is here! In a message dated 2/1/2007 2:25:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ggilray@yahoo.com writes: Funny that you bring this up, though. The inside photo on this cd is a picture of Mitch playing a guitar, standing next to what I believe is the cool, old tape machine that GT recorded BSC! Gil Well Gil, since BSC is my fave album, I certainly will have to have the record for this fact alone! I called Gene at Horizon today and asked if Mitch's new album was in, and he didn't know about it, but he said he'd e-mail Mitch personally and get some copies in the store. That's how he said he got Don Dixon's. - --Mark, who managed to use almost every tiny bit of free space on his iPod Shuffle--polishing off what was left in free bytes with an old Aimee Mann promo CD single of three different viersions of "That's Just What You Are" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:35:30 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The new Mitch Easter CD is here! In a message dated 2/1/2007 2:49:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: 125 is the *only* place the CD is available until March 13th, when it should be in stores and on other sites. Oops, then never mind my previous post--maybe I should call Gene tomorrow and tell him that. - --Mark ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V7 #26 ******************************