From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #234 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, November 22 2006 Volume 06 : Number 234 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] peculiar query [2fs ] [loud-fans] Jam Reissues [CertronC90@aol.com] [loud-fans] Mew-sic [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] Jam Reissues ["=?UTF-8?B?V2VzdCBBbnRob255?=" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] peculiar query On 11/20/06, Stewart Mason wrote: > > > > blush - but I find myself imagining kind of an old-school country > > tune with > > nasty lyrics, and wondering if anything like that ever existed. > > (Note: John > > Trubee's "A Blind Man's Penis" does not count.) > > > > Did this ever happen? Or was your pious, backwoods Protestantism too > > powerful to overcome for those folks? > > Either your tongue is balls-deep in your cheek or you've never > actually met any old backwoods Protestants. Oh, I think I was at least slightly joking...given that a similar cultural milieu produced everything from Jerry Lee Lewis to William Faulkner to ye olde mountain death ballads... But it's true I have not met any old backwoods Protestants personally. Besides the (very good) > Rounder CD that Tim mentioned, here's an old Slipcue article about old > hokum blues records that mentions several country artists as well, > most notably Jimmie Davis. Remember, when you get right down to it, > there's little real difference other than pigmentation between 1920s > blues and 1920s country records: > > http://www.slipcue.com/music/jazz/hokum.html Having just emerged from beneath a blizzard of (mostly terrible) student papers, I now may actually have time to read that. The list also includes a few folk records from the revival era, > featuring folks like Oscar Brand and Ed McCurdy, known in some circles > as "Dirty Ed McCurdy" because of his WHEN DALLIANCE WAS IN FLOWER > collections of old bawdy Elizabethan tunes. I know of McCurdy only through one song of his that showed up on the Smithsonian folk box - "A Wanton Trick" (which, as it happens, I'd posted on my blog a few months ago). Metaphor, sure - but not exactly opaque! Actually the most obscure figure in the song is the other side of a double entendre: "prick" refers also to notation (the song is like one of those Motown extended metaphor lyrics, in this case, music-making/sex). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:35:58 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Jam Reissues I was thinking about asking Santa to replace a couple of my Jam CDs with the new remasters. I have the old Polydor ones, except for the Collector's Choice 2 album disc of ALL MOD CONS/THIS IS THE MODERN WORLD that I bought a few years back to replace the original Polydor one of AMC from the '80s. How is the quality on these? My track record for reissues is spotty. I'll get one and be so impressed with the improvement, then I'll get another one and think I just blew 15 bucks (like with the English Beat ones that replaced my '80s I.R.S. ones). - --Mark, told the damage to my car is so extensive, it won't be ready until a week from Thursday--joy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:46:16 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] Mew-sic Absolutely knocked out by Mew's "...And the Glass Handed Kites". Highly recommended. This is a topnotch updating of early 90's showgaze-dreampop, but they up the ante with lots of tricky time changes and some gorgeous Pet Sounds harmonies. I've played this like 3 times in a row, and I haven't done that with a record in about 5 years. I've pencilled in a spot in my year-end for this. Hey! You got your prog in my dreamy britpop! Chris Also digging, if you're into this sort of thing, Envy's "Insomniac Doze". Screamy loud-soft goodness, but particularly cinematic. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:55:08 +0000 From: "=?UTF-8?B?V2VzdCBBbnRob255?=" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jam Reissues If you go to the Hip-O Select website, they have a really nice (but not cheap) deluxe edition of SNAP! -- full liner notes AND lyrics, the full original double album on two CDs (those who suffered with the single-disc "Compact SNAP!" will dig that) plus the bonus live EP. The sound is great, but having never bought any Jam CDs apart from the "Direction Reaction Creation" box set (and the aforementioned "Compact SNAP!", I don't know how the sound compares to what you have. The Man In The Corner Shop, West. P.S. -- I'm very glad to hear that you're okay, but sorry to hear about the car. Don't let the repair guys rip you off! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry - -----Original Message----- From: CertronC90@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:35:58 To:loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] Jam Reissues I was thinking about asking Santa to replace a couple of my Jam CDs with the new remasters. I have the old Polydor ones, except for the Collector's Choice 2 album disc of ALL MOD CONS/THIS IS THE MODERN WORLD that I bought a few years back to replace the original Polydor one of AMC from the '80s. How is the quality on these? My track record for reissues is spotty. I'll get one and be so impressed with the improvement, then I'll get another one and think I just blew 15 bucks (like with the English Beat ones that replaced my '80s I.R.S. ones). - --Mark, told the damage to my car is so extensive, it won't be ready until a week from Thursday--joy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:33:03 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Altman and a vinyl question Just saw that Robert Altman passed. He was one of my favorites. There was just something about Julie Christie and Warren Beatty in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" that.....the movie invades me every day or two. Even when Altman wasn't great, he was pretty darn good. Next..... I am putting the finishing touches on a new stereo system for my house (the good one's out in my office). When I say "new," I mean "old." I'm using components from college, and picking up a few old ones from eBay. I'm a few days away from having a turntable in the house, and I want to celebrate by getting some vinyl. I guess I'm mostly looking for old stuff, 60's/early 70's.....and I'm thinking I'd like the albums to be sealed "originals" if possible -- although, if I can be confident of the ratings, I guess I'd settle for "near mint" or something. Any suggestions of where (other than eBay) I should be looking for this kind of stuff. And, does anybody know what the companies selling new old vinyl mean when they say "180 gm" or "200 gm"? Are these audiophile pressings any better than the originals? Thanks for any suggestions. Left ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] eureka! > --Mark, impressed with how intelligent Sean Lennon is, as well as how good > his music is (interviewed on World Cafe the other day) The apple doesn't > fall > far from the tree I've got FRIENDLY FIRE, and my only concern is a sameness to the sound, song-to-song. Certainly well-constructed and subtle, though. I haven't gotten to the DVD portion of the package yet. Though I see where Bijou Phillips joins in (always a plus), Andy Group demands probe of imams' removal By STEVE KARNOWSKI, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 30 minutes ago MINNEAPOLIS - The Council on American-Islamic Relations called Tuesday for an investigation into the behavior of airline staff and airport security in the removal of six Muslim scholars from a US Airways flight a day earlier. A passenger raised concerns about the imams  three of whom said their normal evening prayers in the airport terminal before boarding the Phoenix-bound plane, according to one  through a note passed to a flight attendant, according to Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways. "We are concerned that crew members, passengers and security personnel may have succumbed to fear and prejudice based on stereotyping of Muslims and Islam," Nihad Awad, the council's executive director, said in a news release. The six were returning from a conference in Minneapolis of the North American Imams Federation, said Omar Shahin of Phoenix, president of the group. "They took us off the plane, humiliated us in a very disrespectful way," Shahin said after the incident. Shahin said Tuesday that three members of the group prayed in the terminal before the six boarded the plane. They entered individually, except for one member who is blind and needed to be guided, Shahin said. Once on the plane, the six did not sit together, he said. "We did nothing" on the plane, Shahin said. The six were among passengers who boarded Flight 300, bound for Phoenix, around 6:30 p.m. Monday, airport spokesman Pat Hogan said. Police were called after the captain and airport security workers asked the men to leave the plane and the men refused, Rader said. Shahin said no one asked the six to leave until police arrived, when the group complied. The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 141 passengers and five crew members, were re-screened for boarding, Rader said. The plane took off about three hours after the men were removed. Shahin said the group spent the night at the home of a local imam. When Shahin went back to the airport Tuesday morning, a ticketing agent told him his payment for Monday's flight had been refunded and the airline wouldn't sell more tickets to him or the other imams. An airline spokesman in Arizona said he wasn't aware of the ticketing decision and could not comment. "We do not tolerate discrimination of any kind and will continue to exhaust our internal investigation until we know the facts of this case and can provide answers for the employees and customers involved in this incident," the airline said in a news release Tuesday. "Unfortunately, this is a growing problem of singling out Muslims or people perceived to be Muslims at airports, and it's one that we've been addressing for some time," council spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said. Hooper said the meeting drew about 150 imams from all over the country, and that those attending included Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who just became the first Muslim elected to Congress. Shahin said they went as far as notifying police and the FBI about their meeting in advance. Shahin expressed frustration that  despite extensive efforts by him and other Muslim leaders since even before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks  so many Americans know so little about Islam. "If up to now they don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:26:49 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] peculiar query > find myself imagining kind of an old-school country tune > with > nasty lyrics, and wondering if anything like that ever existed. (Note: > John > Trubee's "A Blind Man's Penis" does not count.) The late Harmonica Frank Floyd recorded a tune called "Shampoo" which Greil Marcus described as "not merely dirty, but filthy." Years after reading that I finally got to hear "Shampoo." Greil Marcus was not kidding. I wasn't able to find lyrics on the web, but you can hear a portion: http://tinyurl.com/y9ra6j Note how he poses "fuckin' for free" as the ultimate unbelieveable obscenity, Andy "Prosperity is the blessing of the Old Testament; adversity is the blessing of the New." - --Francis Bacon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:45:53 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides > Thinking about the vinyl album era, and how a side A made or broke a > record > (thinking of how people would stack albums on spindles, and how if side A > didn't grab a listener they probably didn't bother with B) what is the > one > strongest side A in your opinion? I suppose the vinyl era ended in our > around > '86. Which is your absolute favorite side A, and why? > > --Mark John Cooper, whom I highly suspect hasn't subscribed to the list in years, had some tapes of "Great Side Ones" we played in the car during our cross-country trip in July 1997 (and met with some of you out there). The only two I recall: Blondie's EAT TO THE BEAT ("Dreaming," probably the band's most overwhelming song, imperial echo and Clem Burke's no-spilled-guts-no-sainthood overkill on the drums, and the majestic melancholy of "Union City Blue"--anybody see the movie?) and Ian Hunter's YOU'RE NEVER ALONE WITH A SCHIZOPHRENIC (riff-crunching, catchy especially on the opener "Just Another Night," and in its epochal broadsweep closer to Jim Steinman/Meat Loaf than John would ever allow; that aching "When The Daylight Comes" practically amounts to a "Bat Out Of Hell" rewrite with the motorbike swapped out for Ian's odd, valiant chastity vow--and hell, Barry Manilow covered "Ships" along with Meatstein's "Read'Em And Weep"). A couple of albums I love, I never got into the second sides. Just didn't play'em much, quite possibly because I adored the first sides and feared a letdown. Jefferson Airplane's SURREALISTIC PILLOW and CHEAP THRILLS by Big Brother And The Holding Company come to mind. And if anybody still made tapes, I'd make a tape of those two side ones, Andy The windy lights of Autumn flare; I watch the moonlit sails go by; I marvel how men toil and fare, The weary business that they play! Their voyaging is vanity, And fairy gold is all their gain, And all the winds of winter cry, My Love returns no more again. - --Andrew Lang, from "Ballade of Autumn" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:46:43 -0500 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: [loud-fans] Jam Reissues CertronC90: > I was thinking about asking Santa to replace a couple of my Jam CDs with > the > new remasters. The only Polydor Jam I had on CD was "Compact Snap!" so my opinion may be less than totally useful, but I picked up the reissues of "Modern World" and "Mod Cons" a year or so ago ... they're fine, but I didn't think they were revelatory. For maximum Jam bang-for-buck, I'd suggest seeing if Santa will fork over "The Complete Jam" DVD: http://www.amazon.com/Jam-Complete/dp/B00007CVRE/sr=1-1/qid=1164138175/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-4132335-5642528?ie=UTF8&s=dvd Much of the live footage is simply drop-dead amazing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:05:46 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] peculiar query 2fs wrote: > But it's true I have not met any old > backwoods Protestants personally. > Well, come on down here! We're runnin' over with 'em. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:03:30 -0500 From: "outbound-only email address" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jam Reissues On 11/21/06, outbound-only email address wrote: > > CertronC90: > > > I was thinking about asking Santa to replace a couple of my Jam CDs with > > > > the > > new remasters. > > > > The only Polydor Jam I had on CD was "Compact Snap!" so my opinion may be > less than totally useful, but I picked up the reissues of "Modern World" and > "Mod Cons" a year or so ago ... they're fine, but I didn't think they were > revelatory. For maximum Jam bang-for-buck, I'd suggest seeing if Santa will > fork over "The Complete Jam" DVD: > Hokeydoke, I'm still all about the Complete Jam DVD, but I just checked out the Hip-o-Select (http://www.hip-oselect.com/default.asp) website to see just how pricey the Snap! set that West mentioned was. Well, maybe Santa will favor me with that. But the reason I'm writing again is because "The Jam at the BBC" 2-disc set is going for $7.99, which even with shipping and applicable tax is a darn good deal - Amazon's got it for $18. I expected I might get an email that the price was a misprint and my order has been canceled, but I have a confirmation email in hand now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:31:54 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Altman and a vinyl question In a message dated 11/21/06 1:39:36 PM, LeftyZ@aol.com writes: > Just saw that Robert Altman passed. > It's okay. We have Emilio Estevez now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:36:31 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jam Reissues In a message dated 11/21/06 3:09:38 PM, eeimmnno@antithetical.org writes: > But the reason I'm writing again is because "The > Jam at the BBC" 2-disc set is going for $7.99, which even with shipping and > applicable tax is a darn good deal - Amazon's got it for $18. I expected I > might get an email that the price was a misprint and my order has been > canceled, but I have a confirmation email in hand now. > You're set. They've been selling it at that price for over a year now. The import Tom Jones box is a bargain at $20. An import Deluxe Edition of ALL MOD CONS was recently released in Europe. I'm not really a fan of the band, but the bonus disc is an entertaining DVD. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:13:46 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Altman and a vinyl question LeftyZ@aol.com on 11/21/2006 11:33:03 AM wrote: >There was just something about Julie Christie >and Warren Beatty in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" that..... >the movie invades me every day or two. Classic, haunting flick. Don't forget the Leonard Cohen music! >Even when Altman wasn't great, he was pretty darn good. Has anyone ever actually seen O.C. AND STIGGS? I never have, but I remember being mystified that 1) they would base a movie on the National Lampoon Magazine characters (though I remember thinking the articles were quite funny at the time) and 2) that it would be directed by Robert Altman. Though I like the guy, he did have trouble picking his projects from time to time. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Altman and a vinyl question Roger Winston asked: >Has anyone ever actually seen O.C. AND STIGGS? I >never have, but I remember being mystified that 1) >they would base a movie on the National Lampoon >Magazine characters (though I remember thinking the >articles were quite funny at the time) and 2) that it >would be directed by Robert Altman. Though I like >the guy, he did have trouble picking his projects >from time to time. Agreed, and yes, I saw "O.C. and Stiggs" on cable a few years ago. I can't say that, having watched it, I'm any closer to an answer to mystery #1, though I did wonder afterwards if Altman had actually read any of the pertinent stories before doing the thing. Without meaning any disrespect for Altman's unique, influential film accomplishments, he was more often than not involved in projects that I just didn't "get," let's just say. But anyway, has anybody read the new Chris Miller book? http://tinyurl.com/vy8t3 b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:12:25 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Altman and a vinyl question >Has anyone ever actually seen O.C. AND STIGGS? Yes, and it was one of the most boring, worthless films I have ever managed to sit through. I can't for the life of me figure out what Altman was thinking. This could have been a really good PORKY'S-type comedy, but it was nothing. Absolutely nothing. _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #234 *******************************