From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #233 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, November 21 2006 Volume 06 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides ["Paul King" ] Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides [Jack Lippold ] Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] peculiar query [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides ["Tim Walters" ] [loud-fans] Atomic, man! [2fs ] [loud-fans] played a lot of [noun] in my youth [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] peculiar query ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] played a lot of [noun] in my youth [CertronC90@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:32:02 -0500 From: "Paul King" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides Hey Jude (Beatles), in which they managed to fit in the entire 7 minutes and 11 (or so) seconds of the song. The B side of that single -- Revolution -- I remember feeling disappointed about this song when I was quite young (Revolution was not a hit yet, at the time). Paul King On 20 Nov 2006 at 2:56, CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > Thinking about the vinyl album era, and how a side A made or broke a record > (thinking of how people would stack albums on spindles, and how if side A > didn't grab a listener they probably didn't bother with B) what is the one > strongest side A in your opinion? I suppose the vinyl era ended in our around > '86. Which is your absolute favorite side A, and why? > > --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:04:18 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides In a message dated 11/20/2006 8:53:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sciguy@vex.net writes: Hey Jude (Beatles), in which they managed to fit in the entire 7 minutes and 11 (or so) seconds of the song. The B side of that single -- Revolution -- I remember feeling disappointed about this song when I was quite young (Revolution was not a hit yet, at the time). Paul King Actually, I was thinking in terms of LPs, but I didn't make that clear. How DID they fit that on a single? Do you have a favorite LP A side? Is it a Beatles album? I had been buying top 40 45s, one every week, since age 9, and was blown away by Blondie's EAT TO THE BEAT 8-track that my brother had received free from the record club, and I kind of took it over. It opened a whole new world for me. It sounded nothing like the stuff I was hearing in the house at the time, my brother's Led Zeppelin and '70s Prog stuff, my mom's eclectic mix of stuff--Lana Cantrell, Nancy Sinatra, Al Hirt, Roger Williams, Henry Mancini--my sister's John Denver and Carpenters, my dad's Buck Owens and CCR, and it's the album that made me truly passionate about music. But, this just sewed the seeds for me when I discovered the B-52's (who have a song called "Debbie" about Harry) a couple of years later. Side A of THE B-52'S blew me away, like that Maxell guy in the chair. First of all, that cartoonish cover art--intense yellow and red--that retro "High Fidelity" logo, totally connected with my fascination with the '50s and '60s--Keith Strickland's sunglasses--I wanted to BE Keith Strickland! "Planet Claire" sounded kind of like Henry Mancini meets Bela Lugosi, "found" instruments--the Walkie Talkie, the comically scary surreal lyrics, the reference to a Plymouth Satellite, I thought it was just incredible. "52 Girls"--the guitar in that by Ricky Wilson, captivated me. I'd never heard a guitar sound like that before--Strickland's great beat, a reference to Jackie O--the song was like a tornado to my brain. "Dance This Mess Around' was just funny--a toy piano!--Cindy Wilson screaming she wasn't stinky cheese--weird, and the Fred Schneider's reference to Aqua Velva was so hilariously out there. "Rock Lobster" has to be, without a doubt, my favorite rock song to this day. Egyptian meets surf, the weird noises, Schneider's voice. Kate Pierson's and Wilson's truly bizarre backing vocals and noises. Truly a freak's teenage symphony to God. This side A was so played, I had to get a second vinyl copy a few years later. I originally didn't know they were from a farming community/college town 100 miles away. I thought they were from California or New York or somewhere I imagined as far more advanced! They made me realize there were other freaks like me out there, in the SOUTH, and that is a good thing for a 14-year-old to know. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:05:13 -0600 From: Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides But, then again, they (whoever they are) got all 7 minutes and 20 seconds of "MacArthur Park" on one side 7 or 8 months before "Hey Jude" was released. (A lot of people hate the song, but I find "MacArthur..." to be unintentionally hilarious instead of awful.) >Hey Jude (Beatles), in which they managed to fit in the entire 7 minutes >and 11 >(or so) seconds of the song. >The B side of that single -- Revolution -- I remember feeling disappointed >about this song when I was quite young (Revolution was not a hit yet, at the >time). > >Paul King > >On 20 Nov 2006 at 2:56, CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > > > Thinking about the vinyl album era, and how a side A made or broke a > record > > (thinking of how people would stack albums on spindles, and how if side A > > didn't grab a listener they probably didn't bother with B) what is > the one > > strongest side A in your opinion? I suppose the vinyl era ended in > our around > > '86. Which is your absolute favorite side A, and why? > > > > --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:00:10 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides On 11/20/06, Jack Lippold wrote: > > But, then again, they (whoever they are) got all 7 minutes and 20 seconds > of "MacArthur Park" on one side 7 or 8 months before "Hey Jude" was > released. > (A lot of people hate the song, but I find "MacArthur..." to be > unintentionally hilarious instead of awful.) It's neither: < http://spanghew.blogspot.com/2004/06/foaming-like-wave-at-mouth.html>. So what's the longest album ever fit on a single LP? Is there anything longer than Todd Rundgren's _Initiation_, which was about 68 minutes, if I recall? (Side 2 alone is 36 minutes or so...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:08:10 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides Jack Lippold wrote: > But, then again, they (whoever they are) got all 7 minutes and 20 > seconds of "MacArthur Park" on one side 7 or 8 months before "Hey > Jude" was released. > (A lot of people hate the song, but I find "MacArthur..." to be > unintentionally hilarious instead of awful.) I rather enjoy it. It's just plain trippy. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:28:36 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] fading yellow vol. 2 Does anyone here have a copy of Fading Yellow Vol. 2, the 60s comp? It's apparently exceedingly rare and I have not turned up a single copy anywhere at any price, and I would be satisfied at this point with a CD-R copy. Failing that, does anyone have the songs "Don't Say No" by Oracle (not the metal band) and/or "What Will the New Day Bring?" by Disraeli? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:40:38 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] fading yellow vol. 2 On 11/20/06, Jenny Grover wrote: > > Failing that, does anyone have the songs "Don't Say No" by > Oracle (not the metal band) and/or "What Will the New Day Bring?" by > Disraeli? Not the former British prime minister. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:02:04 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] peculiar query Okay, what with a lot of hip-hop being completely unafraid of being utterly, obnoxiously disgusting and filthy-minded (that's not a complaint), I found myself wondering what other musics have explored similar territory. Of course, there are old blues songs that would make even some of those rappers blush - but I find myself imagining kind of an old-school country tune with nasty lyrics, and wondering if anything like that ever existed. (Note: John Trubee's "A Blind Man's Penis" does not count.) Did this ever happen? Or was your pious, backwoods Protestantism too powerful to overcome for those folks? (Actually, a lyric along such lines with a lush, countrypolitan backing would be pretty hilarious, I'd imagine. But I kind of think someone else has probably imagined that, well after the fact, and more parodically than I'm thinking...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides I'm not sure my list of favorite A-sides would be significantly different from my list of favorite albums, but off the top of my head I can think of two albums with excellent A-sides and crap B-sides: DUNE by Klaus Schulze and DA CAPO by Love. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:41:04 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] fading yellow vol. 2 2fs wrote: > Not the former British prime minister. I don't *think* so, but I'm less sure of that than that Oracle isn't the metal band of the same name ;-) Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:05:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] peculiar query > but I find myself imagining kind of an old-school country tune > with > nasty lyrics, and wondering if anything like that ever existed. Rounder released a collection of such material called JUST SOMETHING MY UNCLE TOLD ME. Some of it is startlingly obscene. I also found an album called THE EARTHY SIDE in a thrift store a few years ago. The material is (somewhat) more refined (not difficult), but still quite naughty in places. It's performed in a tasteful glee-club style, which makes for enjoyable cognitive dissonance. A Seventies book called THE EROTIC MUSE collects a lot of obscene material from the oral tradition in sheet-music form. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:20:14 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] strongest A sides On 11/20/06, Tim Walters wrote: > > I'm not sure my list of favorite A-sides would be significantly different > from my list of favorite albums, but off the top of my head I can think of > two albums with excellent A-sides and crap B-sides: DUNE by Klaus Schulze > and DA CAPO by Love. If that's the one with that 18-minute track on side 2, I'll agree with you completely. Incidentally, Mark: I think the confusion over LP vs. 45 arose because the standard was to refer to LPs as having "side 1" and "side 2" and singles as having "A-sides" and "B-sides." So your reference to "A-sides" predisposed people to thinking of 45s...even though you'd mentioned LPs specifically. At least, that's how I remember it - I could go down to the basement to check out my vinyl, but I am, as always, too lazy to do so (although not to type). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:25:31 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] Atomic, man! I'm listening to the new Gil Ray platter - and I do recommend it. Gil seems to have lots of fun with this one, and he appears to have taken a lot of inspiration from the music of my youth - by which I mean his, I dunno, early 30s? - that is, the '70s. But not in a cheesy, retro way, and not slavishly imitative either. He draws from a range of styles - oh, and he's actually a pretty fine guitarist (or a really good editor). So, yeah: buy it. Speaking of: did anyone have the foresight to save all of his recording journal entries, or put them up on a website somewheres? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:30:45 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] played a lot of [noun] in my youth I haven't had time to put together the compilation of tracks named after baseball players for which I solicited contributions a while back - but in looking for such songs, I found there's a series (currently up to 9 CDs) of baseball songs some obsessive guy has put out. It's called "Diamond Cuts," and hey, the CDs' proceeds go to a charitable organization: < http://hungryformusic.com/hfm/>. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:17:38 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Atomic, man! Thank you Jeff! I'm pretty sure I have most of those posts tucked away somewhere..I'll send them on to you if you like. Gil - --- 2fs wrote: > I'm listening to the new Gil Ray platter - and I do > recommend it. Gil seems > to have lots of fun with this one, and he appears to > have taken a lot of > inspiration from the music of my youth - by which I > mean his, I dunno, early > 30s? - that is, the '70s. But not in a cheesy, retro > way, and not slavishly > imitative either. He draws from a range of styles - > oh, and he's actually a > pretty fine guitarist (or a really good editor). > > So, yeah: buy it. > > Speaking of: did anyone have the foresight to save > all of his recording > journal entries, or put them up on a website > somewheres? > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:17:04 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] peculiar query - ----- Original Message ----- From: "2fs" > Okay, what with a lot of hip-hop being completely unafraid of being > utterly, > obnoxiously disgusting and filthy-minded (that's not a complaint), I > found > myself wondering what other musics have explored similar territory. > Of > course, there are old blues songs that would make even some of those > rappers > blush - but I find myself imagining kind of an old-school country > tune with > nasty lyrics, and wondering if anything like that ever existed. > (Note: John > Trubee's "A Blind Man's Penis" does not count.) > > Did this ever happen? Or was your pious, backwoods Protestantism too > powerful to overcome for those folks? Either your tongue is balls-deep in your cheek or you've never actually met any old backwoods Protestants. Besides the (very good) Rounder CD that Tim mentioned, here's an old Slipcue article about old hokum blues records that mentions several country artists as well, most notably Jimmie Davis. Remember, when you get right down to it, there's little real difference other than pigmentation between 1920s blues and 1920s country records: http://www.slipcue.com/music/jazz/hokum.html The list also includes a few folk records from the revival era, featuring folks like Oscar Brand and Ed McCurdy, known in some circles as "Dirty Ed McCurdy" because of his WHEN DALLIANCE WAS IN FLOWER collections of old bawdy Elizabethan tunes. As this article points out, especially with McCurdy's albums, you usually have to work your way through the layers of metaphor to get to the dirty stuff, but you have to do that with a lot of old blues stuff too, so there you go. A lot of the old-school folk fans loved this stuff: indeed, up until the end of her life, Charity's mom needed little if any prompting to burst into the occasional verse of a smutty old tune. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:37:13 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] played a lot of [noun] in my youth In a message dated 11/20/2006 7:31:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: I haven't had time to put together the compilation of tracks named after baseball players for which I solicited contributions a while back - but in looking for such songs, I found there's a series (currently up to 9 CDs) of baseball songs some obsessive guy has put out. It's called "Diamond Cuts," and hey, the CDs' proceeds go to a charitable organization: < I have a CD by a Christian crossover artist (sorta rocky sometimes, singer/songwritery other times) named Bob Bennett (on the cover of Rolling Stone in I think 1979) , and he has one track called "A Song About Baseball." I could send it to you. - --Mark, who was driven home today from the auto body repair shop in--you guessed it--a Chevy Silverado--"Dualie"--if only I were making this stuff up ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #233 *******************************