From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #227 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, November 15 2006 Volume 06 : Number 227 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V6 #226 ["Douglas Stanley" ] [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review [CertronC90@aol.com] [loud-fans] Re: "What If It Works?" review [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review ["Steve Holtebeck" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:29:18 -0800 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V6 #226 You forgot Turducken. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken ------------------------------ ...ready to be shipped in time for your turkey/tofurkey-devouring festivities.... ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:43:34 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: More about Wire A friend sent me this link: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: jon Date: Nov 14, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: More about Wire Here's a great recent interview with Colin Newman by Fred Mills: http://www.stompandstammer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=512&Itemid=51&limit=1&limitstart=0 - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:12:42 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review I don't remember this one making an appearance on the list. You'll have to forgive Atlantians. They're all pissed off because of bad traffic problems. - --Mark, who saw "Borat" and the anti-Semitism was simply not funny _The Loud Family and Anton Barbeau - What If It Works? - Stomp And Stammer_ (http://stompandstammer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=653&Itemi d=50) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:22:03 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: "What If It Works?" review In a message dated 11/14/2006 10:12:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CertronC90 writes: You'll have to forgive Atlantians Not aimed at the writer, btw. A comment about the overall tone of the magazine. Several people I know who read this mag agree with me about the crabbiness, but it's still the best free music mag around the region. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:04:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review On 11/14/06, CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > > I don't remember this one making an appearance on the list. You'll have > to > forgive Atlantians. They're all pissed off because of bad > traffic problems. > > --Mark, who saw "Borat" and the anti-Semitism was simply not funny > > > _The Loud Family and Anton Barbeau - What If It Works? - Stomp And > Stammer_ > ( > http://stompandstammer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=653&Itemi > d=50) Thanks for posting this. However, it's funny to me how many journalists (a) can't get past the "fanzines rave" line and think it's all about Scott Miller grousing "nobody loves me" - because, you know, that's what so many music journalists love musicians to do, many of them being frustrated musicians themselves, and (b) don't realize that the line in question is from a song that was written, when, back in '94 or so?...when Miller's career was still being paid attention to in places like _Rolling Stone_ (who reviewed PBRT, if I recall correctly). Not to mention assuming it's autobiographical - an assumption that music journalists really should be disabused of before their first byline, if you ask me. I think the writer misses the tonal complexity of the lyric to "Mavis" as well - I mean, maybe it's about parenthood (only) but even if it is, there's an awful lot of worry about loss of control in there (which, of course, would also be germane to parenthood...but not entirely "effervescent"). Amusingly, this review is from the same online source as that Wire/Colin Newman interview I just posted a few minutes back. Must be its synchronistic moment in the (rather small and diminished virtual Loudfans) sun. Unless Mark found it following up on the Newman link. In which case whatever. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:49:35 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 2fs wrote: > Thanks for posting this. However, it's funny to me how many journalists > (a) can't get past the "fanzines rave" line and think it's all about > Scott Miller grousing "nobody loves me" - because, you know, that's what > so many music journalists love musicians to do, many of them being > frustrated musicians themselves, and (b) don't realize that the line in > question is from a song that was written, when, back in '94 or so?... I believe the "fanzines rave" line wasn't there in the earlier version that lf.com posted at some point. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:02:13 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review On 11/14/06, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 2fs wrote: > > > Thanks for posting this. However, it's funny to me how many journalists > > (a) can't get past the "fanzines rave" line and think it's all about > > Scott Miller grousing "nobody loves me" - because, you know, that's what > > so many music journalists love musicians to do, many of them being > > frustrated musicians themselves, and (b) don't realize that the line in > > question is from a song that was written, when, back in '94 or so?... > > I believe the "fanzines rave" line wasn't there in the earlier version > that lf.com posted at some point. Ah, you're right - that line replaced the bit about "fanboy from Perth Amboy" or whatever. Still, I think it's a bit facile to assume the album's primarily about lack of popularity, or that it necessarily reflects Scott's own POV (not that you're making either claim yourself). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:06:04 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review On 11/14/06, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, 2fs wrote: > > > Thanks for posting this. However, it's funny to me how many journalists > > (a) can't get past the "fanzines rave" line and think it's all about > > Scott Miller grousing "nobody loves me" - because, you know, that's what > > so many music journalists love musicians to do, many of them being > > frustrated musicians themselves, and (b) don't realize that the line in > > question is from a song that was written, when, back in '94 or so?... > > I believe the "fanzines rave" line wasn't there in the earlier version > that lf.com posted at some point. According to http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/scannot/lyrics.cgi?misc.txt, the original line was And we're going to try but we don't know if anyone can - -Steve PS: When approaching this film, one has to understand that there is absolutely no intent on the part of the filmmakers to offend, and no malevolence on the part of Sacha Baron Cohen, who is himself proudly Jewish. We hope that everyone who chooses to see the film understands Mr. Cohen's comedic technique, which is to use humor to unmask the absurd and irrational side of anti-Semitism and other phobias born of ignorance and fear. We are concerned, however, that one serious pitfall is that the audience may not always be sophisticated enough to get the joke, and that some may even find it reinforcing their bigotry. - - From the ADL press release on Borat http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Mise_00/4898_00.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:45:22 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "What If It Works?" review In a message dated 11/14/2006 11:08:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: Unless Mark found it following up on the Newman link. In which case whatever. No, I'm a little embarrassed to say that I did not. I still use dial-up, I still get all my music on a little aluminum platter containing code written in the '70s (I've only downloaded MP3s from the LF website--that's it--it's not a holier-than-thou thing, I just have to have the "album experience" if you will), and I read this in the magazine first today, then found it online. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:08:00 EST From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] oops It's "Atlantans" not "Atlantians." So, my apologies to Patrick Duffy and Julia Sugarbaker. Also, my Jesus and Mary Chain reference the other day was from the song "The Living End," not "Taste the Floor." Hey, I bought that record when I was 18. It's been awhile. Have you driven a Ford Puffball lately?, - --Mark, who was excited to hear that Belle and Sebastian were playing live on World Cafe--David Dye made the announcement as soon as I pulled up at the restaurant--then we got slammed at work with a rush (thank you so much, Monday night football) and I didn't get back out to my car until I hear Dye saying, "Thanks to Belle and Sebastian for playing today." Me not happy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:30:35 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops On 11/15/06, CertronC90@aol.com wrote: > > It's "Atlantans" not "Atlantians." And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind, Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new... Hail Atlantis! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #227 *******************************