From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #209 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, October 29 2006 Volume 06 : Number 209 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] One More Drifter in the Snow [CertronC90@aol.com] [loud-fans] from a friend in San Francisco [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [Michael Zwirn ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem [Jenny Grover mile per hour, how much time will they spend discussing the relationship in public? 2). Michael has two abusive stepfathers and an alcoholic mother. If his self-esteem is reduced by 20% per dysfunctional parent, but Michael feels 3% better for every person he denigrates, how long will it take before he's ready to go home if 1 person walks by the cafe every 2 minutes? 3). Sanjeev has 7 piercings. If the likelihood of getting cellulitis on a given day is 10% per piercing, what is the likelihood Sanjeev will need to renew his erythromycin prescription during the next week? 4). Chad wants to take half a pound of pot to Orinda and sell it at a 20% profit. If it originally cost him $1,500 in food stamps, how much should Nicole write the check for? 5). The City and County of San Francisco decide to destroy 50 rats infesting downtown. If 9,800 animal rights activists hold a candlelight vigil, how many people did each dead rat empower? 6). A red sock, a yellow sock, a blue sock, and a white sock are tossed randomly in a drawer. What is the likelihood that the first two socks drawn will be socks of color? 7). George weighs 245 pounds and drinks two triple lattes every morning. If each shot of espresso contains 490mg of caffeine, what is George's average caffeine density in mg/pound? 8). There are 4500 homes in Mill Valley and all of recycle plastic. If each household recycles 10 soda bottles a day and buys one polar fleece pullover per month, does Mill Valley have a monthly plastic surplus or deficit? Bonus question: Assuming all the plastic bottles are 1 liter size, how much Evian are they drinking? 9). If the average person can eat one pork pot sticker in 30 seconds, and the waitress brings a platter of 12 pot stickers, how long will it take five vegans to not eat them? 10). Todd begins walking down Market Street with twelve $1 bills in his wallet. If he always gives panhandlers a single buck, how many legs did he have to step over if he has $3 left when he reaches the other end and met only one double-amputee? Advanced Placement Students Only: 11) Katie, Trip, Ling, John-John, and Effie share a three-bedroom apartment on Guerrero for $2400 a month. Effie and Trip can share one bedroom, but the other three need their own rooms with separate ISDN lines to run their web servers. None of them wants to use the futon in the living room as a bed, and they each want to save $650 in three months to attend Burning Man. What is their best option? a) All five roommates accept a $12/hour job-share as handgun monitors at Mission High. b) Ask Miles, the bisexual auto mechanic, to share Effie and Trip's bedroom for $500/month. c) Petition the Board of Supervisors to advance Ling her annual digital-artists-of-color stipend. d) Rent strike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:04:56 -0400 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers > Hey, what's everyone think of Margot and The Nuclear So & So's? > I'm digging THE DUST OF RETREAT (it's on eMusic). "Cinematic > Chamber Pop". Really, as much as I tolerate The Decemberists, this > is the kind of thing I prefer. Try "Skeleton Key". > > Latre. --Rog Hi Rog, two brothers in the band (Chris and Andy Fry) were childhood friends of mine in Indianapolis. I think they're really quite good and "Skeleton Key" is the highlight of the album for me. My review on Trouser Press is at: http://www.trouserpress.com/ entry.php?a=margot_and_the_nuclear_so_and_sos Michael - --------------------- Michael W. Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com (c) 503-887-9800 http://zwirn.com Skype: zwirnm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:26:03 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem Thanks for all the help, guys! ;) FYI, I finally figured out what was going on. I had been playing with different ways of automatically and manually syncing my iPod with iTunes (I finally settled on doing an automatic sync with a single "iPod Playlist"). In the process of doing this, I had unchecked (the box to the left) every song in iTunes. Well, apparently iTunes won't play unchecked songs unless you manually start them up. Don't know if it's always been that way or if I just never noticed before. That must make it weird for people who sync their iPods by having it update only the checked songs in iTunes. If you have more songs in iTunes than on the iPod, then you'll never hear those unchecked iTunes songs when you're just playing through your iTunes library (in shuffle mode or not). Apple's documentation is not real clear on any of this, from what I've seen. Latre. --Rog At Saturday 10/28/2006 12:04 AM, Roger Winston wrote: >This is driving me NUTS. Ever since I upgraded to iTunes 7, it will only >ever play one song at a time. No continuous play at all. Doesn't matter >if I'm using playlists or the browser (any view) or if I'm in shuffle mode >or not. The only thing I can do is click on a song, and it will play that >one song all the way through and then stop. If I hit the "next" button >while the song is playing, it stops. If I restart iTunes and hit "Play" >with no song selected, nothing happens. That used to start playing a >random song if I was in shuffle mode or the first song in the library if I >wasn't. > >Is there some new setting that I don't have set right? I couldn't find >one. I checked the forums on iLounge, and there were a few other people >complaining of similar issues, but no one had a solution. Has anyone else >here had this problem, and did you do anything to fix it? > >Can't help thinking I'm just being dense and missed something, but I just >can't get it to work... > >Luckily the iPod still works normally. > >Thanks! Latre. --Rog > >-- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Roger Winston wrote: > In the process of doing this, I had unchecked (the box to the left) > every song in iTunes. Well, apparently iTunes won't play unchecked > songs unless you manually start them up. Don't know if it's always been > that way or if I just never noticed before. I'm pretty sure it's always been that way; that's what the checkbox is FOR! If you don't like a song, you uncheck it, and iTunes will mostly ignore it forevermore. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:11:46 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem At Saturday 10/28/2006 10:52 AM, Aaron Mandel wrote: >I'm pretty sure it's always been that way; that's what the checkbox is >FOR! If you don't like a song, you uncheck it, and iTunes will mostly >ignore it forevermore. Sure seems like they shouldn't also use it for the automatic iPod syncing then. I'm sure it's an even bigger hassle if you have multiple iPods of different sizes. Good thing there are other ways to sync the iPods. What I really want is a dropdown list or something on each song where you can specify which iPod to copy it to (or "none"). And you have to be able to sort on it. Hmmmm, on second thought, that wouldn't work very well if you want a song on more than one iPod. (Another thing I don't like about the checkboxes: You can't sort on them.) Hey, if I never want to listen to a song again, I just delete it from iTunes! You can always keep the file around. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:41:50 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Winston" > At Saturday 10/28/2006 10:52 AM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > >>I'm pretty sure it's always been that way; that's what the checkbox >>is FOR! If you don't like a song, you uncheck it, and iTunes will >>mostly ignore it forevermore. > > Sure seems like they shouldn't also use it for the automatic iPod > syncing then. That's what I find it most useful for, actually. There are several podcasts that I subscribe to, and many of them run around an hour long -- the CBC Radio 3 podcast, some WFMU shows, stuff like that -- but since I really only use my iPod when I'm running neighborhood errands or walking the dog, I rarely use it for as long as an hour at a time. So I uncheck those, they don't go onto my smart playlist (and therefore not onto my iPod), and I listen to them at my desk while I'm working. > I'm sure it's an even bigger hassle if you have multiple iPods of > different sizes. Good thing there are other ways to sync the iPods. > What I really want is a dropdown list or something on each song > where you can specify which iPod to copy it to (or "none"). And you > have to be able to sort on it. Hmmmm, on second thought, that > wouldn't work very well if you want a song on more than one iPod. > (Another thing I don't like about the checkboxes: You can't sort on > them.) Each song? There's somewhere north of 15000 songs in my iTunes library! I don't need the aggravation. For my 20G, I just keep a smart playlist of around 18500 MBs at all times, which is pulled randomly from the larger library and updated/reshuffled whenever I reload my iPod. Charity used to simply randomly Autofill her 512MB Shuffle, but relying strictly on the luck of the draw might mean ending up with a load that's, like, 75% Guided By Voices songs or something, and that gets boring. So I've started doing a smaller scale version of the smart playlist for her, deleting the extras whenever more than one or two songs by a particular artist show up. Now, the hassle for me with iTunes 7 is that it won't let me add more than four or five songs at a time using the "Add file to library" function! Very annoying when moving eMusic downloads into the library, because now it'll take two to four sessions to add a full album. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:16:12 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem At Saturday 10/28/2006 01:41 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: >Each song? There's somewhere north of 15000 songs in my iTunes >library! I don't need the aggravation. Hey, my library's at 17K songs and still growing. I always do things on an album basis rather than a song basis though, so that makes updates easier. >For my 20G, I just keep a smart playlist of around 18500 MBs at all times, >which is pulled randomly from the larger library and updated/reshuffled >whenever I reload my iPod. I've been thinking about doing that, but I'm always afraid of what I might get. Since I mainly use my (30GB) iPod for jogging, I don't really want a lot of slower music on it. >Now, the hassle for me with iTunes 7 is that it won't let me add more than >four or five songs at a time using the "Add file to library" >function! Very annoying when moving eMusic downloads into the library, >because now it'll take two to four sessions to add a full album. That is extremely annoying, and lots of people are complaining about it. Sure seems like a bug in iT7 to me. I've found it's easier to just drag the songs from Windows explorer and drop them into the iTunes library. There's apparently no limit that way. Don't know if the same sort of thing can be done on a Mac machine or not. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:37:20 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem Apparently I'm not geeky enough about my iPod or iTunes to even know what some of this stuff is (smart playlist?), but I create a lot of custom playlists, including one for my Shuffle, which I use only for fitness walking. I have a workout playlist for that, continually honed and updated to keep it not boring and make sure all the entries are an appropriate tempo (if a song just isn't working out for working out, I take it out of the playlist and update the Shuffle accordingly). For my 20 G, I have a lot of style specific playlists, as well as activity specific ones (most notably, several different playlists of music to fall asleep to, since my iPod gets used a lot for trying to avoid sleeping pills. I'm a chronic insomniac). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:12:30 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Winston" >>For my 20G, I just keep a smart playlist of around 18500 MBs at all >>times, which is pulled randomly from the larger library and >>updated/reshuffled whenever I reload my iPod. > > I've been thinking about doing that, but I'm always afraid of what I > might get. Since I mainly use my (30GB) iPod for jogging, I don't > really want a lot of slower music on it. One of the criteria you can use to set a smart playlist is BPM, so you could set it that way. Of course, this would involve figuring out the BPM of all 17K+ songs... > >>Now, the hassle for me with iTunes 7 is that it won't let me add >>more than four or five songs at a time using the "Add file to >>library" function! Very annoying when moving eMusic downloads into >>the library, because now it'll take two to four sessions to add a >>full album. > > That is extremely annoying, and lots of people are complaining about > it. Sure seems like a bug in iT7 to me. I've found it's easier to > just drag the songs from Windows explorer and drop them into the > iTunes library. There's apparently no limit that way. Don't know > if the same sort of thing can be done on a Mac machine or not. Oh yeah, huh. I just now did this with the PJ Harvey disc I just got from Lala -- cool! I hadn't even realized you could drag and drop that way. That's actually easier all the way around. Thanks! S NP: Deixa -- Baden Powell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:50:54 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem On 10/28/06, Roger Winston wrote: > > At Saturday 10/28/2006 01:41 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > > I've been thinking about doing that, but I'm always afraid of what I might > get. Since I mainly use my (30GB) iPod for jogging, I don't really want a > lot of slower music on it. As Stewart pointed out in a diffferent e-mail, iTunes can sort by BPM ...so you can just go through and approximate those for slower songs and thereby eliminate them in a smart playlist. There's no need for the BPMs to be actually accurate for your purposes: you could simply quickly go through your collection categorizing songs into "fast," "midtempo," and "slow," arbitrarily label them 200 BPM, 120 BPM, and 90 BPM, and set the Smart Playlist for only songs 200 BPM or faster. >Now, the hassle for me with iTunes 7 is that it won't let me add more than > >four or five songs at a time using the "Add file to library" > >function! Very annoying when moving eMusic downloads into the library, > >because now it'll take two to four sessions to add a full album. You can group the files into a folder and then use "add folder." No idea why they changed that... That is extremely annoying, and lots of people are complaining about > it. Sure seems like a bug in iT7 to me. I've found it's easier to just > drag the songs from Windows explorer and drop them into the iTunes > library. There's apparently no limit that way. haven't tried that - I'll do it next time I have a good number of songs to add. Here's my iTunes 7 weirdness: when it gets to the last track of any playlist (including the main library), it will play to the end of the song - but the counter will freeze with 0:00 left in the track, and the play count will not be updated. I only care about that because I have a smart playlist relating to low play-count tracks, and so I end up up moving the indicator back a few seconds, ordering the playlist by different criterion, and replaying the last few seconds so the play count registers. WTF is up with that? Also: it used to freeze when I shut it down after pausing a track. It would only avoid freezes if I first brought up a different playlist, then hit the space bar (which now means "stop" instead of "pause"). It seems to have cured itself of that weirdness - but again, anyone else experienced that and know why? (I should probably ask these questions on the Hitchcock list - there are a couple of folks hwo work for Mac on that list.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:22:50 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem At Saturday 10/28/2006 06:50 PM, 2fs wrote: >As Stewart pointed out in a diffferent e-mail, iTunes can sort by BPM ...so >you can just go through and approximate those for slower songs and thereby >eliminate them in a smart playlist. There's no need for the BPMs to be >actually accurate for your purposes: you could simply quickly go through >your collection categorizing songs into "fast," "midtempo," and "slow," >arbitrarily label them 200 BPM, 120 BPM, and 90 BPM, and set the Smart >Playlist for only songs 200 BPM or faster. That's still more categorizing than I want to attempt at this point. Heck, I haven't started rating songs yet. I'll keep it in mind though. >Here's my iTunes 7 weirdness: when it gets to the last track of any playlist >(including the main library), it will play to the end of the song - but the >counter will freeze with 0:00 left in the track, and the play count will not >be updated. I only care about that because I have a smart playlist relating >to low play-count tracks, and so I end up up moving the indicator back a few >seconds, ordering the playlist by different criterion, and replaying the >last few seconds so the play count registers. WTF is up with that? Lots of complaints about that one on the forums. Happens to me too. Happens with podcasts also. I haven't seen anyone say there's a fix, though some people are saying to try reinstalling QuickTime. Looks like a bug in iT7. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:51:09 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem On 10/29/06, Roger Winston wrote: > > At Saturday 10/28/2006 06:50 PM, 2fs wrote: > > I haven't started rating songs yet. I've never understood why you'd want to rate the songs on your iTunes. If you know the song, you know how well you like it. If you don't know the song, you don't know how well you like it - and the way to figure that out is, listen to it more...at which point, you'll know the song, and return to the top of the paragraph. Or are there people who are like, today I only want to listen to songs I only sort of like? (Although I suppose if you're taking in more music than you can really remember, you could use that to mark songs that seem promising... I suppose if I put everything on iTunes, I might use it that way. BTW: I have no idea how much I could reasonably put on iTunes w/o compromising my laptop's performance. (I mean my laptop computer.) >Here's my iTunes 7 weirdness: when it gets to the last track of any > playlist > >(including the main library), it will play to the end of the song - but > the > >counter will freeze with 0:00 left in the track, and the play count will > not > >be updated. I only care about that because I have a smart playlist > relating > >to low play-count tracks, and so I end up up moving the indicator back a > few > >seconds, ordering the playlist by different criterion, and replaying the > >last few seconds so the play count registers. WTF is up with that? > > Lots of complaints about that one on the forums. > I sorta looked - but I couldn't figure an efficient search, and so there were loads of utterly irrelevant posts about other things entirely, so I gave up. I'll try the reinstalling QT thing. Or, if there's lots of talk on the forums, maybe the next update will fix it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:47:25 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem At Saturday 10/28/2006 11:51 PM, 2fs wrote: >Or are there people who are like, today I only want to listen to songs I >only sort of like? I see it more like "Yesterday I only wanted to listen to 5-star songs, but today I wouldn't mind hearing some 4-star ones thrown into the mix". >I sorta looked - but I couldn't figure an efficient search, Try "0:00". I looked at forums.ilounge.com and discussion.apple.com. >I'll try the reinstalling QT thing. > >Or, if there's lots of talk on the forums, maybe the next update will fix >it. I personally doubt reinstalling QT will help, though I haven't tried it. I suspect Apple will do a bug fix release soon. I hope. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:51:52 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes 7 problem Roger Winston wrote: > > I see it more like "Yesterday I only wanted to listen to 5-star songs, > but today I wouldn't mind hearing some 4-star ones thrown into the mix". How do you even go about rating songs to that degree? And don't your feelings or opinions about the quality of certain songs change? What's a 5 star song for me today might not be tomorrow, and what's a 3 today might be a 5 tomorrow. And even if your ratings do remain the same or close, might you not just get tired for a while of hearing, for instance, your 5 star songs? And this also makes me curious -- do people just not listen much to albums anymore? Is it down to mixes most of the time now? Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #209 *******************************