From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #206 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, October 26 2006 Volume 06 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Loudswap review [basher132 ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Pixies to record new studio album [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Loudswap review [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Loudswap review ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [2fs ] RE: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers ["Tom Galczynski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [CertronC90@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers ["Steve Holtebeck" ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [JRT456@aol.com] RE: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers [Gil Ray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:12:37 +0100 From: basher132 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudswap review On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:25:04 -0400, Stewart Mason wrote: > > *6. "I Don't Want To Be Here" -- Andy Partridge > > I'm assuming this is from one of those FUZZY WARBLES albums. As > much as I like this song, I can't help but think that as excited as > I would have been in high school to hear of a multi-volume set of > demos and rarities by Andy Partridge, who from like eighth grade on > was a hero of mine...I just don't see myself ever investing the > time and money to listen to all of that stuff. I'm much the same. XTC have been my fave group since 1980, but I've heard the best bits of the warbles releases before, and can't bring myself to knock out the cash on the box set. > 10. "Robot" -- The Futureheads > > I've always liked this album. Sure, it sounds like a dozen > different vintage '80s bands (most notably the Jam on this one, > although the jam never did anything as synthy as this), but the > songs are great, and that counts for more than innovation most of > the time. >> 24. "Hounds of Love" -- The Futureheads Absolutely the best cover of a song I heard last year. > *11. "Tending the Wrong Grave For 23 Years" -- Half Man Half Biscuit > > God bless these Liverpudlian bastards. This is from their quieter, > folky side instead of the side that sounds like a far more chipper > version of the Fall. The idea that you are talking to a dead stranger instead of a dead relative because of a council cock up just amuses me no end. BTW, Claire Rainer is a TV / print agony aunt. > > *13. "Any Requests" -- The Solipsistics > > Hmm, I have never heard any Solipsistics song before that did > anything for me, but this completely atypical track, played > entirely by a full orchestra led by a farting tuba, is just > fantastic. Reminds me hugely of the Negro Problem, which is a good > thing. I often drag this one out to play for my youngest daughter when she moans that she wants to learn something cool, like the sax that her elder sister is learning, instead of the cornet that she was forced* to learn. The track has a Northern English brass band feel to it. > *17. "Making Me Go On" -- Kelly's Heels > Who is this? MAN, this guy sounds Nick Lowe! Bob Kelly sounds like '65 era Beatles if recorded in the modern day. Samples here http://cdbaby.com/cd/kellysheels (including this track) and here is a sort of best of http://cdbaby.com/cd/kellysheels4 > > > > Sorry it took so long, John! > > S I'm well aware that my tastes don't vary that much, in that I'm a power pop fan stereotype (innovation ?! Bollocks to that ! Where's my Beatles-derived songs about cars and girls with Beach Boys harmonies), so I'm pleased that you found something to value ! Cheers Stewart. John Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:24:47 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers On 10/24/06, Bradley Skaught wrote: > > > C'mon, haters: out with it! > > There are a handful of sacred cows I don't really like (Doors, CCR, > Zeppelin), but there's one i'm almost ashamed of. Hmm. I wouldn't have called Doors all that sacred...my impression is that a lot of people agree with me that Morrison is an overbaked ham. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:27:14 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pixies to record new studio album On 10/25/06, Roger Winston wrote: > > At last! http://www.nme.com/news/pixies/24809 Or not: see this , which also links to The Onion's interview with Frank Black last week, wherein he pretty much denies that there's a new album in the works... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:30:09 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudswap review On 10/25/06, Tim Walters wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > > > > the problem was that the producer, Tony Bongiovi, was trying to > > make your average state-of-'77 mainstream rock record. > > Given that the Heads were covering "1-2-3 Red Light" around that > time, I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing, perhaps even > eager, to raise the cheese factor. And I would argue that "Love Comes > To A Building On Fire" proves that it could work. Although I strongly prefer the live version on TNOTBITH to the horn-embellished orphaned single track... Anyway, I read Stewart as saying the problem was more that the album was incoherent in mixing the two production styles - that to his ears, the contrast is jarring - not so much that a whole album with horns and steel drums and whatnot might not have worked. (It would have been kind of peculiar, to be sure...but uh early TH is not exactly not known for peculiar.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:11:13 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers At Wednesday 10/25/2006 07:24 AM, 2fs wrote: >Hmm. I wouldn't have called Doors all that sacred...my impression is that a >lot of people agree with me that Morrison is an overbaked ham. Most probably do, but there are exceptions. I agree that Morrison has a lot to answer for, but I still like a lot of the Doors music and will probably be buying the surround sound Perception Box Set when it comes out next month. But I learned to appreciate the Doors during the same, er... "sessions" with my friends where I learned to like the Talking Heads, for whatever that's worth. Ahhh, the college days. And how can any TH fan not like REMAIN IN LIGHT? Though I was a little "WTF?" at first, it grew on me very quickly. And now I can't think of the band without thinking of Crosseyed And Painless. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:27:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers Roger Winston wondered: >And how can any TH fan not like REMAIN IN LIGHT? Though I was a little >"WTF?" at first, it grew on me very quickly. And now I can't think of the >band without thinking of Crosseyed And Painless. The record never grew on me, despite multiple, try with all my might to embrace it applications. I was mostly pretty good with the first side, though "The Great Curve" was a big divergence from what I loved TH for, but side two gets dire indeed. By the time you've waded through Brian Eno's weaving David Byrne and the band over the center line through "Seen And Not Seen" and "Listening Wind" you get to the point where Byrne's opening "terrible signal" in "The Overload" is more or less a fair warning of where the record's at (that same "terrible signal," sung in Byrne's odd cadence, became a code word for my wife and I for a bad time). I never replaced my *cassette* of REMAIN IN LIGHT, if that says anything about my feelings for it. I guess if you embraced the record as the extension of the trip into experimentation TH started with Eno on FEAR OF MUSIC, the record is quite effective, but I never got the critical praise for it myself. Somewhat similarly, it took me a long time to really embrace FEAR OF MUSIC, though my appreciation for the record has increased over the last 25 plus years. Still, it was a big relief for me when the band changed direction back to the relative naivete of SPEAKING IN TONGUES. Of course, Stewart pretty much nailed my feelings for '77, and the only Talking Heads record that's had a permanent place on my iPod is MORE SONGS, so I'm probably pretty atypical in my feelings about their body of work. thank you for sending me an angle, b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:07:49 EDT From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudswap review In a message dated 10/25/2006 1:44:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, craigtorso@verizon.net writes: Bongiovi was also the producer behind that disco version of the STAR WARS theme by Meco Really. My mother used to play that frigging record constantly when I was about 10, 11 years old. I still can hear R2-D2's beeps synched to a disco beat in my head. Interesting information. Well, of the two, I would say the Talking Heads have aged much better. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:20:16 EDT From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers In a message dated 10/25/2006 10:16:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: And how can any TH fan not like REMAIN IN LIGHT? I don't know. I just don't. I never have. My first exposure to the Talking Heads, other than hearing my older brother play his clear vinyl copy of SPEAKING IN TONGUES on his ("Don't touch my turntable!!") Bang & Olufsen, was a friend let me borrow THE NAME OF THIS BAND IS TALKING HEADS when I was 16, and I immediately liked the early material and disliked the latter. I like the first two records and LITTLE CREATURES and TRUE STORIES, but not the last one, even if Marr is on it. As far as hated musicians, I guess I would always put Bob Seger at the top, mowing him down with a Chevy Silverado as he sang "Like A Rock." Michael McDonald makes me also wanna "ya mo kill somebody" and Stevie Nicks makes me wanna run for the hills like Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer. You see I'm not a gypsy, - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudswap review > Although I strongly prefer the live version on TNOTBITH to the > horn-embellished orphaned single track... Whereas, when I finally heard the single after years of knowing only the TNOTBITH version, I thought "oh, *that's* what it's supposed to sound like." But then I like the disco version of STAR WARS, too (although I draw the line at "Other," "Galactic," and "Funk"). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:30:09 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers CertronC90@aol.com on 10/25/2006 10:20:16 AM wrote: > I like the first two records and LITTLE CREATURES and > TRUE STORIES, but not the last one, even if Marr is on it. I recently re-listened to NAKED a few times, since I got it as part of the Brick box set. It still fails to enthrall me, but I do like it better now than I did originally. Guess it's a bit of a grower. It's certainly more interesting in surround than stereo. > As far as hated musicians, I guess I would always > put Bob Seger at the top, mowing him down with a > Chevy Silverado as he sang "Like A Rock." I hear ya. Back in the days when Classic Rock was popular (I guess that was before it was "classic"), I had my "Three Song Rule", which stipulated that even the artists I generally disliked had three good songs in them. For example, Steve Miller had Serenade, Jungle Love and Space Cowboy (can't stand any of the other classics except for maybe Abracadabra). The Doobie Brothers had China Grove, Take Me In Your Arms and, um... Listen To The Music? Long Train Runnin'? Don't remember... Anyway, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't come up with three for Bob Seger. Maybe Get Out Of Denver (for sentimental reasons), but that's about it. > Stevie Nicks makes me wanna run for the hills like Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer. I dunno - Edge Of Seventeen can still give me chills if I'm in the right mood. But that's mainly due to the musical arrangement with the edgy-driving-rhythm-guitar-that-keeps-wanting-to-break-away. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:48:37 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers On 10/25/06, Roger Winston wrote: > > > > > As far as hated musicians, I guess I would always > > put Bob Seger at the top, mowing him down with a > > Chevy Silverado as he sang "Like A Rock." > > I hear ya. Back in the days when Classic Rock was > popular (I guess that was before it was "classic"), I > had my "Three Song Rule", which stipulated that even > the artists I generally disliked had three good songs > in them.... > > Anyway, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't come > up with three for Bob Seger. Some of his really really early, '60s garagey stuff is...okay. At one point I thought to myself: if Bob Seger had never existed, would the history of rock be even remotely different? And I answered myself: no. Not a bit. The man's music is a whisp in a hurricane, a scintilla of drool in an ocean. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:52:49 -0500 From: "Tom Galczynski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers > > As far as hated musicians, I guess I would always > > put Bob Seger at the top, mowing him down with a > > Chevy Silverado as he sang "Like A Rock." You can add John "Cougar" Mellencamp to that list now. Have you seen that new contemptible Chevy add campaign featuring his insipid latest stuff? Makes Seger look downright experimental. > > Stevie Nicks makes me wanna run for the hills like > Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer. > > I dunno - Edge Of Seventeen can still give me chills > if I'm in the right mood. But that's mainly due to > the musical arrangement with the > edgy-driving-rhythm-guitar-that-keeps-wanting-to-break-away. I'm not a big Stevie Nicks fan but not even "Landslide"? Not just for the melody alone? Tom G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:24:30 EDT From: CertronC90@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers In a message dated 10/25/2006 1:50:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: At one point I thought to myself: if Bob Seger had never existed, would the history of rock be even remotely different? And I answered myself: no. Not a bit. The man's music is a whisp in a hurricane, a scintilla of drool in an ocean. That's so funny! "A scintilla of drool." That's going be stuck in my head all day long! (You're being too kind). It's phrases like that that made me miss this list. "Points of her own sitting way up high, way up firm and high" is just unbelievably bad, and I don't care if you're the most alpha hetero guy on the planet writing a song. It's just off the meter foul. In a message dated 10/25/2006 1:55:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomg@asdsoftware.com writes: I'm not a big Stevie Nicks fan but not even "Landslide"? Not just for the melody alone? Well, as long as Billy Corgan or someone else sings it. It's just, her voice. It just, ugh. I've asked myself why I can't stand her voice but love Belinda Carlisle's. They're fairly similar in how they trill when they sing. I just don't have an answer. I was going to have Johnny Cougar on my list, but thought I'd limit my list to the first three that came to mind. Also, I had a post that apparently did not make it to the list (it didn't appear in my inbox), in which I quoted Jerry Harrison from the 77 reissue. This may give some support to why Stewart dislikes the sound of 77. He writes: 77 presented quite a challenge. It was recorded on a 16-track recorder with only four tracks devoted to drums. Some of the songs only consisted of eight tracks; yet the songs still adapted well to 5.1 surround remix. This album did not lend itself to events taking place in the rear, or to much movement; rather, the songs just occupied a larger sound stage. The question remains how many tracks were devoted to the R2-D2 beeps in the Meco song. Probably a dozen. I must go and wash the blood off my plow, - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:41:52 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers Tom Galczynski wrote: >You can add John "Cougar" Mellencamp to that list now. Have you seen that >new contemptible Chevy add campaign featuring his insipid latest stuff? >Makes Seger look downright experimental. > > And we lucky baseball fans have had to hear both of them sing in the World Series. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:19:54 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers > Well, as long as Billy Corgan or someone else sings it. I find it unbelievable that anyone could prefer Billy Corgan's voice to anything, including a root canal. That bloated idiot only has two vocal modes - irritating, nasal, petulant whine and loud, irritating, petulant whine. And unlike Mellencamp, every band he has ever been in has sucked. MB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:26:16 -0700 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers Tom then Jen: > > You can add John "Cougar" Mellencamp to that list now. Have you seen that > > new contemptible Chevy add campaign featuring his insipid latest stuff? > > Makes Seger look downright experimental. > And we lucky baseball fans have had to hear both of them sing in the > World Series. Seger got points for singing "America The Beautiful" instead of the Star Spangled Banner before game 1. It's a better song, and no one needs to hear Bob Seger try to sing the Star Spangled banner! My opinion of B.S. also went up when I found out that he wrote "Sock It To Me Santa" (I thought that song was by Mitch Ryder for years). His early "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" material is pretty decent (like a poor man's Detroit Wheels), but not good enough to excuse his later career. Isn't anyone going to stand up for the guy? Anyway, Bradley said.. > On the flip side, i'm always coming around to artists I didn't like before. > Recently, I've found that I really like The Ramones after decades of not > liking them at all. This is a much more interesting and productive topic of discussion than "stuff that sucks". One of the most rewarding things about being a music fan is finally discovering that you really DO like green eggs & ham. I'm sure everyone comes around to artists they didn't like before. In the last year, I've come around on a bunch of artists from the late 80s early 90s that never really registered with me at the time: Blur, House of Love, Jellyfish, the Lemonheads, the Pixies. It's part of learning to approach old music with new ears, or old ears free from the trappings the music had when it was new. John > I'm well aware that my tastes don't vary that much, in that I'm a > power pop fan stereotype (Innovation ?! Bollocks to that ! Where's my > Beatles-derived songs about cars and girls with Beach Boys harmonies?) Everything between the parentheses describes my musical taste in a nutshell. My taste in music is like a pendulum swinging from side to side with "Beatles-derived songs with Beach Boys harmonies" as the centerpoint. The pendelum keeps swinging away from that, but the arc and deviation from the center grows smaller as the years pass and the pendelum slows down. Make of that what you will. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:56:28 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers On 10/25/06, Michael Bowen wrote: > > > Well, as long as Billy Corgan or someone else sings it. > > I find it unbelievable that anyone could prefer Billy Corgan's voice > to anything, including a root canal. That bloated idiot only has two > vocal modes - irritating, nasal, petulant whine and loud, irritating, > petulant whine. Generally, I agree...although on some of the earlier records, when he sang more quietly he somehow managed to be less intensely annoying than later on. He's a more extreme version (in that his voice makes the more musically-interesting later SP material intolerable) of Kim Gordon, in that when each singer isn't pushing too hard on his or her voice, it can work fairly well (except please spare us Kim's attempts to be "sexy" - not that she isn't, but that vocal mannerism just doesn't work for me) but when they're trying to be intense and loud, it's completely awful. Gordon sounds at those moments like she's trying to shit a living hyena. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:50:58 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers In a message dated 10/25/06 4:31:56 PM, sholtebeck@gmail.com writes of Bob Seger: > Isn't > anyone going to stand up for the guy? > SEVEN and BEAUTIFUL LOSER are both fine albums, and he's certainly told an American story better than Bruce Springsteen. I was pretty sure Starship was what would unite us all. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:19:17 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: RE: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers JRT456@aol.com on 10/25/2006 3:50:58 PM wrote: >I was pretty sure Starship was what would unite us all. See: http://www.threadless.com/product/595/A_city_built_on_rock_n_roll_would_be Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:49:29 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers On 10/25/06, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > I was pretty sure Starship was > what would unite us all. I guess the Apocalypse is on its way - JRT and I agree on something ;-) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:11:50 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers In a message dated 10/25/06 7:55:09 PM, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: > I guess the Apocalypse is on its way - JRT and I agree on something ;-) > This is something that I've been letting grow on its own, but I might as well mention it here. Judging from the response, it's been bringing the Left and Right together fairly well: http://rightwingtrash.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Haters Weepers - --- Bradley wrote: > > On the flip side, i'm always coming around to > artists I didn't like before. Man, me too! When I was a teenager, I couldn't stand boogie and blues-rock groups. I would go see them if they came to Charlotte back in the early 70's, cuz I would go see just about everyone back then, but I was pretty much a glam and or prog fan. Now I am all over groups like Cactus, Free, Canned Heat, Bad Co., Savoy Brown etc....My very favorite cd I've picked up this past year is hands down - Superstition by...ready for this! Pat Travers and Carmine Appice! Really, it's the hardest rockin' thing I have ever heard! Most of the songs are covers, including some scorching Cactus tunes, but it rocks my world. As far as the Doors are concerned, well, at the time, I thought they were pretty cool. Perfect weird-ass rock for a teenager just starting to do drugs. Now, I'm not much of a fan, but I do like Strange Days. Can't remember the last time I ever played that one though. Probably because I don't have it on CD. (speaking of the Doors, the single - Touch Me was the first stereo 45 I ever bought.) 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