From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #124 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, June 29 2006 Volume 06 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Mavis ["b.j. skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] Mavis [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Mavis [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Mavis [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Mavis ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Mavis [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Mavis [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] Mavis ["b.j. skaught" ] [loud-fans] Question About Files [AWeiss4338@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:01:20 -0700 From: "b.j. skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Mavis I'm having a hard time connecting the verses to the choruses. In general, the song reminds me of a line from the Roddy Frame song "Small World", "it's a small world, and you've grown", which would tie in nicely with the various ideas about children, 9/11--monumental change that reminds us, in sometimes uncomfortable and sometimes nostalgic ways, of what things were like before. But I still don't have a good handle on who Mavis is. Is she the catalyst? B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:35:41 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mavis On 6/28/06, b.j. skaught wrote: > > I'm having a hard time connecting the verses to the choruses. In general, > the > song reminds me of a line from the Roddy Frame song "Small World", "it's a > small world, and you've grown", which would tie in nicely with the various > ideas about children, 9/11--monumental change that reminds us, in > sometimes > uncomfortable and sometimes nostalgic ways, of what things were like > before. > But I still don't have a good handle on who Mavis is. Is she the catalyst? Yeah, the connection is a bit tenuous. I guess I'd start with: what do we know about "Mavis"? Well, she's "of" Maybelline Towers, and also "of" "make-believe hours," and has "show[n] us the almost-unnoticed" which we (presumably) have "known through new eyes." I think "known through new eyes" implies that that awareness of the "almost-unnoticed" has changed "us" in some way - so in some senses, yes, "Mavis" could be described as a catalyst of sorts - if not for the actions in the verses, for the perspective. The "make-believe hours" is a bit unclear: are they primarily a *property* of Mavis, something she (knowingly?) whiles away - or is it only now, through those new eyes, that the narrator recognizes the hours with/about Mavis as "make-believe"? (Does it make a difference, in fact?) I'll take Steve's hint that "Mavis of Maybelline" spells out MOM (although "Mavis of Maybelline Towers" spells out MOMT - what does that mean? ;-) and suggest that she seems a "Mom" rather in the mode of the mother in Roger Waters' The Wall - rather overbearing (towering, even...) and ominous. I think there's a tension between a conventional notion of maternal feeling (perhaps as seen through the narrator's older eyes) and the too-sheltering, oblivious-making aspect he sees now. She's some sort of icon, I guess - maintaining an idea(l) of innocence, protecting one from "hard truths" - truths that, difficult though they might be, are still true, and better off known, I think. Those ideas would tie in with the notion of artifice and false appearance - the whole "cosmetic" idea. Something like that - those are my first ideas anyway. (Clearly I'm reading the song a bit more darkly than Janet's "kids" idea...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:21:05 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mavis 2fs wrote: >I'll take Steve's hint that "Mavis of Maybelline" spells out MOM (although >"Mavis of Maybelline Towers" spells out MOMT - what does that mean? > Mr, T's mom, fool! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:54:55 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mavis On 6/28/06, Jenny Grover wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > >I'll take Steve's hint that "Mavis of Maybelline" spells out MOM > (although > >"Mavis of Maybelline Towers" spells out MOMT - what does that mean? > > > > Mr, T's mom, fool! Who with her husband, as Mr. & Mrs. T, invented the Bloody Mary mix. It all makes sense now. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:05:13 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mavis Jenny Grover on 6/28/2006 1:21:05 PM wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > >I'll take Steve's hint that "Mavis of Maybelline" spells out MOM (although > >"Mavis of Maybelline Towers" spells out MOMT - what does that mean? > > > > Mr, T's mom, fool! I'm tired of all this jibber-jabber! It's time to take this "Mavis" down!! Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:19:24 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mavis Roger Winston wrote: >I'm tired of all this jibber-jabber! It's time to take this "Mavis" down!! > > Mr. T take down his own mom?? I'm shocked! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:52:45 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mavis On Jun 28, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Jenny Grover wrote: > 2fs wrote: > >> I'll take Steve's hint that "Mavis of Maybelline" spells out MOM >> (although >> "Mavis of Maybelline Towers" spells out MOMT - what does that mean? > > Mr, T's mom, fool! Played by Della Reese! When she was still cool! Mr. T hates when she calls him Scooter! But she always does! Because he used to scoot around so fast on his little bike! (Hi everyone! I wasn't reading the list for awhile but just started again, inspired by the really, really excellent new album. Couldn't help but use the opportunity for an A-Team reference as an excuse to delurk. So how's tricks?) E Talk about stuff at the all-new fringehead forum! http://www.fringehead.com/forum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:52:12 -0700 From: "b.j. skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mavis > I think there's a tension between a conventional > notion of maternal feeling > (perhaps as seen through the narrator's older eyes) > and the > too-sheltering, > oblivious-making aspect he sees now. Or is she the figure that reveals things in unexpected ways? Through the sheltering and make-believing of parenting, are there hard truths revealed? > She's some sort of icon, I guess - maintaining an >idea(l) of innocence, > protecting one from "hard truths" - truths that, > difficult though they might > be, are still true, and better off known, I think. Maybe it's a question of, "How do I pass on these hard lessons in the way they were passed on to me (ie without me really noticing)?" > Those ideas would tie in with the notion of artifice > and false appearance - > the whole "cosmetic" idea. And make up being something that communicates and covers up at the same time. There is some tension in the chorus, though--a sense that there are two, equally valuable sides to Mavis, perhaps? B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:03:27 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Question About Files Would anyone know of a good file extractor for .rar files. And a good file converter for them, to wave files. I run Windows. Thanks in advance. Andrea ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #124 *******************************