From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #95 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, May 20 2006 Volume 06 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Third/Sister Lovers [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Merrit Under Fire [2fs ] [loud-fans] Torrented LF home movies [robert toren ] [loud-fans] Potentially lose your weekend here [Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Third/Sister Lovers On 5/18/06, Paul King wrote: > > I downloaded Third/Sister Lovers from E-Music recently. I like the album, > and > already had two tracks (Kangaroo, Holocaust) on a Vertigo/4AD compilation > of This > Mortal Coil CD set whose fourth CD featured tracks from the original > artists, > including the two Big Star tracks. > > Reading bios of Alex Chilton, I got an impression (not directly from what > is > written, but from my interpretation of it) from various web sites that > Alex was > treated like garbage by the record company, and decided later to take it > out on > his audience by treating them like garbage. > > I find Third to be somewhat depressing, but "Thank you friends" is on high > rotation in my head right now. I agree with many critics that most tracks > outside > of this and at least one other are sloppy, although one critic even > questioned > the professional standards of the album. While there are some sloppily-played and recorded tracks, I think most of them are not that at all. They are, however, intensely depressing - but are all the more brilliant for all that. If there's a more brilliantly beautiful and sad song than "Nighttime" I've never heard it. It cheeses me off that no one mentions LF or GT as independent artists being > influenced by Big Star. That's funny - because it seems like every review of GT feels compelled to mention Big Star. Yet I really don't hear it - or rather, it's not as if any GT is a Big Star tribute act in the way, say, Teenage Fanclub's Bandwagonesque is. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:59:56 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Merrit Under Fire On 5/18/06, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > > Rock critics, their pet peeves, and is Merrit guilty? From the NY Times. > > Andrea > > > By _DAVID CARR_ > ( > http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/david_carr/inde > x.html?inline=nyt-per) > Published: May 18, 2006 > > People argue that the music someone listens to says a lot about who he is, > but that discussion rarely concludes in descriptions like "cracker" and > "racist." > > _Skip to next paragraph_ > ( > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/18/arts/music/18rock.html?_r=1&oref=slogin#se > condParagraph) I was reading about this over on (another provocateur) Momus' site a few days ago - and I agree with Dave W.: this is tendentious bullshit. True, Merritt's sometimes expressed himself in satirical tones that almost ask for misunderstanding - but it's absurd to conclude that liking or disliking any particular genre of music, when that music is predominantly performed by or associated with members of a particular sociocultural group, means that the person holds prejudice against such group. For one thing, since when is hip-hop the only black music? For some reason, not enthusiastically expressing at all times one's love of salsa doesn't tend to garner accusations of anti-Latino prejudice, and not filling one's iPod with klezmer doesn't bring accusations of anti-Semitism. I don't like metal - must be that I hate white people. Or pop-country. God, I really do hate white people. In fact, I'm a self-hating white man. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: robert toren Subject: [loud-fans] Torrented LF home movies > a ripped version up for BitTorrenting. > http://kermit.ecloud.net/~aaron/lf > the live fragments of "Last Honest Face" are really amazing. >> There actually seemed to be at least two of every song in the video. right - two PBRT shows, a few months apart, both with essentially the same set list - I think the earlier show might be one of the Loud Family's first - with some clever editing I might be able to put together and entire 'Last Honest Face' from the two shows - I think some of the PBRT studio stuff, esp the 2nd Grade Applauds sounds effects, is entertaining - Robert Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:58:41 -0400 From: "Michael Bowen" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Third/Sister Lovers It's funny, because I didn't really start listening to Big Star until after I started listening to PABARAT, if not TTOOL, and I've never really heard the supposed similarity, either, except for perhaps a liking for adding or subtracting bars in the bridge or chorus. It's not the dumbest Common Critical Comparison I've ever heard - that would probably be 10,000 Maniacs sounds like Fairport Convention - but it's pretty well up there. MB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:30:25 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Potentially lose your weekend here http://www.milinkito.com/los80.php I stare, transfixed. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Potentially lose your weekend here I stare, also, transfixed. Thanks Dave! Gil - --- Dave Walker wrote: > http://www.milinkito.com/los80.php > > I stare, transfixed. > > -d.w. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #95 ******************************