From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #54 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, March 8 2006 Volume 06 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [] [loud-fans] Game Theory/Some New Records [DOUDIE@aol.com] Fwd: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [LeftyZ@aol.co] Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [] Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [] Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [] Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [] Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:36:12 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? > "Convert The Beatnik Athiest And Win A Free Bible" lead me to suspect the whole thing is a shuck. And "Bring Back The Living Pterosaurs" confirmed it. And Dr. Troy Franklin looks uncannily like a thinner Tim Carey, Andy The post-Oscars debate: Why Brokeback lost 07.03.06 1.00pm By Arthur Spiegelman LOS ANGELES - The Oscars opened the closet door to gay-themed films but shut it almost as quickly. Brokeback Mountain, the much-ballyhooed favourite about two gay cowboys, won best director for Ang Lee yesterday but stunningly lost the best picture prize to race drama Crash. Additionally Philip Seymour Hoffman won best actor for playing gay novelist Truman Capote in Capote. The victory for Crash suggested Oscar voters were more comfortable with a tale that exploited the seamy underbelly of racial conflict in contemporary Los Angeles than with a heartbreaking tale of love between two married men. "Perhaps the truth really is, Americans don't want cowboys to be gay," said Larry McMurtry, 69, who shared an Oscar for best adapted screenplay with Diana Ossana for Brokeback. No overtly gay love story has ever won a best picture award and, as of today, none has. The big question going into the Oscars was whether Hollywood, often in the forefront of social issues, would break another taboo. "Film buffs and the politically minded will be arguing this morning about whether the Best Picture Oscar to Crash was really for the film's merit or just a cop-out by the Motion Picture Academy so it wouldn't have to give the prize to Brokeback Mountain," said Washington Post critic Tom Shales. Los Angeles Times critic Kenneth Turan saw Brokeback's failure as a sign that Hollywood was not yet ready to grant the topic of homosexual love mainstream respectability. "Despite all the magazine covers it graced, despite all the red-state theaters it made good money in, despite (or maybe because of) all the jokes late-night talk show hosts made about it, you could not take the pulse of the industry without realizing that Brokeback Mountain made a number of people distinctly uncomfortable," he said, adding: "So for people who were discomfited by Brokeback Mountain but wanted to be able to look themselves in the mirror and feel like they were good, productive liberals, Crash provided the perfect safe harbour." Brokeback led the field with eight nominations and ended up with three prizes, also winning for original score. Crash, which covers a 36-hour period in Los Angeles as the lives of people of many races collide in a way that highlights bigotry, was a close second to Brokeback in Oscar handicapping. Crash writer/director Paul Haggis said he was "shocked, shocked" with the victory. It also won three prizes. "We're still trying to figure out if we got this," he said, clutching his golden trophy in his hand. "None of us expected it. You hope, but we had a tiny picture ... this was a year when Hollywood rewarded rule breakers." - - REUTERS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:40:49 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Game Theory/Some New Records The new album by the Roots is called Game Theory. I'm sure Questlove is a big fan. Speaking of new records.... the new David Gilmour record, ON AN ISLAND, has its moments, this coming from a huge Roger Waters fan who thought that A Momentary Lapse of Reason and the Division Bell were sacriledge. The funny part is that Crosby and Nash sing backup on the chorus of the single and title track, making the song sound like Crosby, Nash and Floyd. The new Donald Fagen record is also promising on first listen. Second great record of the year (following B&S' the Life Pursuit): The Secret Machines: Ten Silver Drops. The single is vintage Pink Floyd which is always fine with me. Steven Charles Matrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:19:52 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? Return-path: From: LeftyZ@aol.com Full-name: Lefty Z Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:19:11 EST Subject: Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? To: zoom@muppetlabs.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 3/7/2006 2:35:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, zoom@muppetlabs.com writes: The victory for Crash suggested Oscar voters were more comfortable with a tale that exploited the seamy underbelly of racial conflict in contemporary Los Angeles than with a heartbreaking tale of love between two married men. "Perhaps the truth really is, Americans don't want cowboys to be gay," said Larry McMurtry, 69, who shared an Oscar for best adapted screenplay with Diana Ossana for Brokeback. No overtly gay love story has ever won a best picture award and, as of today, none has. The big question going into the Oscars was whether Hollywood, often in the forefront of social issues, would break another taboo. "Film buffs and the politically minded will be arguing this morning about whether the Best Picture Oscar to Crash was really for the film's merit or just a cop-out by the Motion Picture Academy so it wouldn't have to give the prize to Brokeback Mountain," said Washington Post critic Tom Shales. Los Angeles Times critic Kenneth Turan saw Brokeback's failure as a sign that Hollywood was not yet ready to grant the topic of homosexual love mainstream respectability. "Despite all the magazine covers it graced, despite all the red-state theaters it made good money in, despite (or maybe because of) all the jokes late-night talk show hosts made about it, you could not take the pulse of the industry without realizing that Brokeback Mountain made a number of people distinctly uncomfortable," he said, adding: "So for people who were discomfited by Brokeback Mountain but wanted to be able to look themselves in the mirror and feel like they were good, productive liberals, Crash provided the perfect safe harbour." I saw Turan's column in the LA Times yesterday and was utterly confused by the conclusions he reached. I think this is remarkable stuff. High-handed indeed, even for film critics, who now see themselves as beating some drum -- taking Hollywood to task for not picking the film they apparently think should've won.....although the reasons THEY picked BBM are suspect in terms of what a Best Picture Oscar means. I have yet to see one of these people suggest the possibility that the Academy voters just thought Crash was a better movie. Left ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:36:38 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? In a message dated 3/7/06 7:34:09 PM, LeftyZ@aol.com writes: > I have yet to see one of these people suggest the possibility that the > Academy voters just thought Crash was a better movie. > > > Left > That might be because of how abysmal and trite Crash is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:41:47 -0800 From: "[The Arch-Villain] West" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:36 PM, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/7/06 7:34:09 PM, LeftyZ@aol.com writes: > > >> I have yet to see one of these people suggest the possibility >> that the >> Academy voters just thought Crash was a better movie. >> >> >> Left >> > > That might be because of how abysmal and trite Crash is. Perhaps if the filmmakers had framed "Crash" as a fable or Fairytale Of Los Angeles, rather than as the gritty and realistic ripped-from- the-headlines drama they are convinced it is, the picture might seem more palatable. As it stands, I think "Crash" is a good movie that was grossly misrepresented by the people who promoted and championed it; the "Lattice Of Coincidence" that draped itself over the proceedings and magically kissed nearly every participant in the story with incense and peppermints is what clued me in; I was able to let it go and watch it without expecting to be challenged or transformed. (I could never be as forgiving to "Signs", though: Shyamalan's grotesque assertion that not only is there a reason for even the most painfully horrible circumstances, but that this reason is thoughtfully provided to us by a bitchin' god who loves us and thinks we're swell, is utterly reprehensible.) "Crash" was not, however, as good as "Capote" or "Good Night, And Good Luck", which were not as good as "Brokeback Mountain", which was not as good as "Munich", which was as good as "A History Of Violence", which was not even nominated. In a way, the 2005 Oscars will likely be remembered as a mirror image of the 1976 Oscars, in which "All The President's Men", "Network" and "Taxi Driver" were given the go-by in favor of "Rocky". All of which is merely another reason why you shouldn't take the Oscars seriously, something Jon Stewart was keenly aware of. Which is why they didn't like him very much. West ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:09:39 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:58:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, glarbleflarb@earthlink.net writes: "Crash" was not, however, as good as "Capote" or "Good Night, And Good Luck", which were not as good as "Brokeback Mountain", which was not as good as "Munich", which was as good as "A History Of Violence", which was not even nominated. In a way, the 2005 Oscars will likely be remembered as a mirror image of the 1976 Oscars, in which "All The President's Men", "Network" and "Taxi Driver" were given the go-by in favor of "Rocky". All of which is merely another reason why you shouldn't take the Oscars seriously, something Jon Stewart was keenly aware of. Which is why they didn't like him very much. Whether I agree or disagree with your rankings on those films is immaterial - -- so I won't go there. The point is that Oscar voting, and preferences about films in general, is hardly a science. It is utterly subjective. I'm just off put by this "everyone knows" mentality. "Everyone knows that Brokeback was the best film of the year, and the only reason that it didn't win* is that the Academy members were reluctant to vote for the obviously best film due to some agenda" that seems, to me at least, to run counter to the way the body of Academy voters would like to see themselves. *Feel free to keep in mind that I don't give a rat's ass about the Academy's choice either. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:35:50 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? On 3/7/06, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > > > > "Convert The Beatnik Athiest And Win A Free Bible" lead me to suspect the > whole thing is a shuck. > > And "Bring Back The Living Pterosaurs" confirmed it. My favorite is "McGruff, the Atheist Goat Who Loves Coffee More Than Jesus." I may get a t-shirt. Oh definitely. But the wonderful thing about the site is that it links to actual "Christian" sites that are nearly as insane - and of course, much of what's in the site is only a British Royal Asshair beyond the real thing. (The scare quotes on "Christian" above are intended to note that of course not all Christians would find themselves even vaguely represented in either the parody or real sites. I shouldn't have to say that - but I'm preempting anyone's offended screed and doing so.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:05:06 -0500 From: "Paul King" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] d'ya think that Scott guy has anything to do with this? I couldn't find the "McGruff" reference, although I feel tempted to become an Anti-Triclavianist. To heck with people who think only 3 nails were used! Sorry to Jeffery, who received a stray email with no reply in it. It was an accident. PJK On 7 Mar 2006 at 20:35, 2fs spaketh these wourdes: > On 3/7/06, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > > > > > > > "Convert The Beatnik Athiest And Win A Free Bible" lead me to suspect the > > whole thing is a shuck. > > > > And "Bring Back The Living Pterosaurs" confirmed it. > > My favorite is "McGruff, the Atheist Goat Who Loves Coffee More Than > Jesus." I may get a t-shirt. > > Oh definitely. But the wonderful thing about the site is that it links > to actual "Christian" sites that are nearly as insane - and of course, > much of what's in the site is only a British Royal Asshair beyond the > real thing. > > (The scare quotes on "Christian" above are intended to note that of > course not all Christians would find themselves even vaguely > represented in either the parody or real sites. I shouldn't have to > say that - but I'm preempting anyone's offended screed and doing so.) > > __________ NOD32 1.1433 (20060307) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #54 ******************************