From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #35 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, February 9 2006 Volume 06 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] torrential thanks [Jim Davies ] [loud-fans] what the...? [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] what the...? [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] Torrent client [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Mac torrent client [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client [Dennis ] [loud-fans] Monday Night Football theme ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] Mac torrent client [Steve Schiavo ] [loud-fans] Frank Oz. On death metal. In the Wall Street Journal. [Dave W] Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Frank Oz. On death metal. In the Wall Street Journal. [2f] Re: [loud-fans] Game Theory Demos ["Stewart Mason" Subject: [loud-fans] torrential thanks to Aaron for the demos Damn fast, too. 170KiB/s, 97% of it from one peer? Neat. x Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:02:34 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] what the...? Can anyone explain to me why I woke up this morning with the word "Mukilteo" in my head? Turns out to be a city in Washington... (Paging Special Agent Dale Cooper...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:03:25 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] what the...? At Wednesday 2/8/2006 06:02 AM, 2fs wrote: >Can anyone explain to me why I woke up this morning with the word >"Mukilteo" in my head? Turns out to be a city in Washington... That was from the chip the government implanted in your head. When it "phones home" every night, it's supposed to disengage *before* you wake up. However, some units have experienced faults lately (including bad wake detection and phoning Washington state instead of DC). Have you found yourself saying "Open a Socket" more than usual lately? BTW, you're also now on the suspected terrorist no fly list, due to those dreams you've been having about Ann Coulter. Latre. --Rog BTW, my latest blog entry reveals how I voted in the LoudFans poll, if anyone cares: - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:20:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] Torrent client I'm maybe a step above "novice" at using torrents, so in case there's anybody out there who's similarly unfamiliar with using them, I was helped by using a decent client, Azureus. http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Bill Silvers wrote: > I'm maybe a step above "novice" at using torrents, so in case there's anybody out there who's similarly unfamiliar with using them, I was helped by using a decent client, Azureus. > > http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ Second that. I use it for Dime A Dozen downloads, and it's very easy. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:29:04 -0500 From: Larry Tucker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On 2/8/06, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Bill Silvers wrote: > > > I'm maybe a step above "novice" at using torrents, so in case there's > anybody out there who's similarly unfamiliar with using them, I was helped > by using a decent client, Azureus. > > > > http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ > > Second that. I use it for Dime A Dozen downloads, and it's very easy. > > Joe Mallon > jmmallon@joescafe.com My favorite is http://www.utorrent.com/ It's very similar to Azureus and uses less system resources. And also a nice thing is the Bit Torrent search toolbar for Firefox. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:44:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client Larry Tucker wrote: >My favorite is http://www.utorrent.com/ >It's very similar to Azureus and uses less system resources. >And also a nice thing is the Bit Torrent search toolbar for Firefox. Cool. I'll check it out. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:06:58 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > Second that. I use it for Dime A Dozen downloads, and it's very easy. Azureus is godawful on the two Macs where I've tried it, which is why I didn't mention it. It's too bad, though, because as far as I know no other Mac client lets you specify which files you want from a large torrent. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Aaron Mandel wrote: > Azureus is godawful on the two Macs where I've tried it, which is why I > didn't mention it. It's too bad, though, because as far as I know no other > Mac client lets you specify which files you want from a large torrent. In what ways is it "godawful"? Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:15:13 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client Bill Silvers wrote: >I'm maybe a step above "novice" at using torrents, so in case there's anybody out there who's similarly unfamiliar with using them, I was helped by using a decent client, Azureus. > >http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ > >b.s. > > > > I use an old version of Azureus and refuse the updates, because newer versions are not compatible with some of the management features on dimeadozen.org, so if you want to join that group, you need to read their opening page carefully and make sure you are using a compatible and/or allowed program. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Aaron Mandel wrote: >> Azureus is godawful on the two Macs where I've tried it, which is why I >> didn't mention it. It's too bad, though, because as far as I know no other >> Mac client lets you specify which files you want from a large torrent. > > In what ways is it "godawful"? It crashes and hangs frequently, particularly when you try to change priority on files. It also had a tendency to complain about the existence of files that it itself had created, but that stopped when I told it not to start new torrents when it added them. And the interface seems pretty bad to me. Part of that is just the slowness of Azureus, which makes it frustrating to fiddle around with menus figuring out how to do what I want, but it's also bothersome that the default widths for columns are often too narrow to display either the header or the data in the column. The two Macs in question are not related to each other, but the problems were the same, so I haven't experimented much. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:32:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] Mac torrent client I asked a few folks on another list, many of whom are Mac-o-philes, what they used for torrents, and got these replies: - ---- Mac user Mark: Well, CK turned me on to Azureus, and it's real good, but I swear that sometimes I get quicker download times from Transmission. The problem with Azureus is that you have to reset the default port in order to get the best download times, but I haven't found that to be the case for Transmission. But I still don't think I'm getting the best download speeds....seems like I can't get better than 40 Kb/sec speeds even when there are loads of seeders. - ---- CK, aforementioned wintel user replied: I've since switched to utorrent (the u is actually the greek letter mu) it has a much smaller footprint and works just as well. I _think_ it is available for Mac. - ---- Mac user Keith: I use the Mac BitTorrent client and it works very well for OSX. www.bittorrent.com I use xACT (X Audio Compression Toolkit) for file conversions (Flac to Aiff) and it works really well too. http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21952 - ---- fwiw, b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:56:37 -0700 From: Dennis Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client Larry Tucker wrote: > My favorite is http://www.utorrent.com/ > It's very similar to Azureus and uses less system resources. > And also a nice thing is the Bit Torrent search toolbar for Firefox. > I'm seconding utorrent. I find it uses less system resources than Azureus. If you don't run windows, you are out of luck, it only runs on windows. PC Magazine just reviewed uTorrent: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1911890,00.asp I don't know if there are any decent Mac torrent clients. I do all my torrenting on the PC. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Monday Night Football theme Does anyone have this? I need a copy for background for an audio project, and would be thrilled to get one. Thanks, Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:02:39 -0500 From: Larry Tucker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client And also the BitTorrent search toolbar for Firefox is a pretty good resource for finding things. BUT I'm running outta space for all this dang toobars! LT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Jenny Grover wrote: > I use an old version of Azureus and refuse the updates, because newer > versions are not compatible with some of the management features on > dimeadozen.org, so if you want to join that group, you need to read > their opening page carefully and make sure you are using a compatible > and/or allowed program. It looks like the only DaD/Azureus conflict is over non-DHT-safe torrents, which are pre-May, so it might be worth updating, or not. I agree that Azureus has a nasty memory footprint - I've got it on a PC too, and it *really* drags it down - but it's so much better than BitTorrent that I'm okay with it for now. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:11:21 -0500 From: Larry Tucker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On 2/8/06, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Jenny Grover wrote: > > I agree that Azureus has a nasty memory footprint - I've got it on a PC > too, and it *really* drags it down - but it's so much better than > BitTorrent that I'm okay with it for now. And if you think Azurues is bad in that regard don't even consider BitComet. Yikes!, does that slow a computer down. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:05:12 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On Feb 8, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Dennis wrote: > Larry Tucker wrote: >> My favorite is http://www.utorrent.com/ >> It's very similar to Azureus and uses less system resources. >> And also a nice thing is the Bit Torrent search toolbar for Firefox. >> > I'm seconding utorrent. I find it uses less system resources than > Azureus. > > If you don't run windows, you are out of luck, it only runs on > windows. PC Magazine just reviewed uTorrent: http://www.pcmag.com/ > article2/0,1895,1911890,00.asp > > I don't know if there are any decent Mac torrent clients. I do all > my torrenting on the PC. I use TomatoTorrent [1]. It's not exactly featureful, but at least it doesn't require running a Java VM, and it seems very stable. There's also BitsOnWheels [2], which has the benefit of being written in C (thus it's theoretically faster / has less overhead), with a few more features, but slightly less robust/stable, IMO. [1] http://sarwat.net/bittorrent/ [2] http://www.bitsonwheels.com/ -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:38:44 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client Is there a client that automates the whole port-forwarding process? It's not that I can't configure my router myself, more that since I plan on using BitTorrent pretty sporadically at best (I tend to be mostly interested in oddities like old AM radio jingle packages and commercials, stuff like that, so I probably wouldn't be on that often), I don't want to have to go into my router setup and be shifting ports in and out of the DMZ every time I want to download/seed. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:26:40 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mac torrent client On Feb 8, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Bill Silvers wrote: > Mac user Mark: > > Well, CK turned me on to Azureus, and it's real good, but I swear that > sometimes I get quicker download times from Transmission. The problem > with Azureus is that you have to reset the default port in order to > get the best download times, but I haven't found that to be the case > for Transmission. For me, Azureus seems to get torrents better than the OSX BitTorrent client. But you really need to read over the wiki, as it has lots of tuning you can do. Just give it its own port and forward that port if you are using a router. There are also tips for matching upload/download speeds to your internet connection. And what other client tells you that you are connected to 731,926 users. I've never run it on anything other than my G5, so that probably covers up any cpu/memory issues. Still, I'll be giving Transmission a look. > But I still don't think I'm getting the best download speeds....seems > like I can't get better than 40 Kb/sec speeds even when there are > loads of seeders. A high number of seeds doesn't necessarily equal a fast download. A look at your peer detail will probably show that lots of them are idle. - -Steve __________ No matter where you go, there you are. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:43:29 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Frank Oz. On death metal. In the Wall Street Journal. http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110007902 -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:15:02 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Torrent client On 2/8/06, Stewart Mason wrote: > Is there a client that automates the whole port-forwarding process? > It's not that I can't configure my router myself, more that since I > plan on using BitTorrent pretty sporadically at best (I tend to be > mostly interested in oddities like old AM radio jingle packages and > commercials, stuff like that, so I probably wouldn't be on that > often), I don't want to have to go into my router setup and be > shifting ports in and out of the DMZ every time I want to > download/seed. I was intimidated from using Bit-Torrent by reading the FAQs and such first - but in fact, Bit-Torrent itself (the client) seems to automatically figure out whuch port works (that's my technical term) - whereas when I tried utorrent, it basically asked me to go down to the basement and crane my neck to read the name on my damned router first. Because I am lazy, this was annoying. Plus, it then didn't work. So I'm just using Bit Torrent. Worked fine. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:21:51 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Frank Oz. On death metal. In the Wall Street Journal. On 2/8/06, Dave Walker wrote: > http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110007902 I'm just glad to hear that those damned vocals are, apparently, all last year. Now if only metal folks would figure out that doing the same thing over and over again isn't "scary" (or funny), maybe something interesting will happen. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 01:33:29 -0500 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Game Theory Demos I have to say that these demos have caused to mildly revise a longstanding belief. I remain steadfast in my opinion that "Mammoth Gardens" is the worst song on LOLITA NATION, but hearing the demo suggests that a big part of my problem with the album version is that its production is terrible. This rougher-sounding, more "live" take is much preferable, although it still has the song's other big problem: I like Donnette's harmonies fine, but her lead vocal style bugs the crap out of me. It just gets so strident. S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #35 ******************************