From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #32 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, February 6 2006 Volume 06 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] poll reminder + my picks [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] drum solos, RIP ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] drum solos, RIP [2fs ] [loud-fans] on-topic discussion elsewhere [glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll reminder + my picks On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > 06 Electric Six - Senor Smoke* Named after a Detroit Tigers' pitcher from the 80s, btw. > Jamie Lidell Really, really hated this record. Sorry. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:25:46 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] drum solos, RIP Reviving a dead thread, in (probably) dubious fashion... It hit me, in the car the other day (upside the head, no less) that one factor that may have contributed to the death of the drum solo is that, for those inclined to fetishize percussion, there's now an entire genre that caters to them. I'd actually argue that, say, Photek's "Ni-Ten Ichi-Ryu" was perhaps the most exciting "drum solo" of the last 10 years or so. What's the role of the old school drum solo in an age when any boffin with a sampler can construct rhythms far more complicated than any human could possibly play? -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] drum solos, RIP On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Dave Walker wrote: > Reviving a dead thread, in (probably) dubious fashion... > > It hit me, in the car the other day (upside the head, no less) that one > factor that may have contributed to the death of the drum solo is that, > for those inclined to fetishize percussion, there's now an entire genre > that caters to them. I'd actually argue that, say, Photek's "Ni-Ten > Ichi-Ryu" was perhaps the most exciting "drum solo" of the last 10 years > or so. What's the role of the old school drum solo in an age when any > boffin with a sampler can construct rhythms far more complicated than > any human could possibly play? It's more an athletic exercise, like watching a gymnast do floor exercises. When I saw Rush in both 2002 & 2004, that's the way I experienced Neil Peart's solo - "Wow, look at that guy move!" - even though he adds some melodic elements via xylophones and such. How can you solo on an instrument that has no notes? Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:28:50 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] drum solos, RIP On 2/5/06, Dave Walker wrote: > Reviving a dead thread, in (probably) dubious fashion... > > It hit me, in the car the other day (upside the head, no less) that > one factor that may > have contributed to the death of the drum solo is that, for those > inclined to > fetishize percussion, there's now an entire genre that caters to > them. I'd > actually argue that, say, Photek's "Ni-Ten Ichi-Ryu" was perhaps > the most exciting "drum solo" of the last 10 years or so. What's the > role of > the old school drum solo in an age when any boffin with a sampler can > construct rhythms far more complicated than any human could possibly > play? Or: Frank Zappa's revenge against Terry Bozzio... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:51:25 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] drum solos, RIP On 2/5/06, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Dave Walker wrote: > > > Reviving a dead thread, in (probably) dubious fashion... > > > > It hit me, in the car the other day (upside the head, no less) that one > > factor that may have contributed to the death of the drum solo is that, > > for those inclined to fetishize percussion, there's now an entire genre > > that caters to them. I'd actually argue that, say, Photek's "Ni-Ten > > Ichi-Ryu" was perhaps the most exciting "drum solo" of the last 10 years > > or so. What's the role of the old school drum solo in an age when any > > boffin with a sampler can construct rhythms far more complicated than > > any human could possibly play? > > It's more an athletic exercise, like watching a gymnast do floor > exercises. When I saw Rush in both 2002 & 2004, that's the way I > experienced Neil Peart's solo - "Wow, look at that guy move!" - even > though he adds some melodic elements via xylophones and such. > > How can you solo on an instrument that has no notes? Not that I'm a huge defender of drum solos - but I think "notes" isn't really the issue - plus, although there aren't notes per se, there certainly are pitches, even if they're not reducible to those on the piano keyboard. Drums are tuned, of course, and there's quite a range of textures and pitch information (even without melodic instruments like xylophones etc.) available. There are, in other words, possibilities for very musical drum solos, as opposed to just bashing away at the kit like an angry monkey. A really good drummer, with a properly tuned kit, can do a fair job of "echoing" a melodic line (if that's what s/he wants to do) fairly closely. You could probably go through your music library, sample a bunch of different drum hits, and come up with something very close to a scale, in fact. And of course, rhythm itself can be worked with in interesting ways. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:16:07 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: [loud-fans] on-topic discussion elsewhere http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=6685556 So can we get back to talking about movies or the Fall now? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:35:48 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on-topic discussion elsewhere > A few years ago I was given a CD of rough mixes and early versions of > the songs on /Lolita Nation/. I still haven't listened to it, sad to > say. I really ought to dig it out. Anyone on this list have this?? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:44:50 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on-topic discussion elsewhere On 2/5/06, glenn mcdonald wrote: > http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=6685556 Interesting that Matthew Perpetua (of Fluxblog fame) is a fan...mebbe an advance oughta be sent his way once they're available, given that he's a pretty influential mp3 blogger? Or at least a track or two... Uh-also, since I'm so unhip as to be unfamiliar with ilx jargon, whutup "POX"? > So can we get back to talking about movies or the Fall now? I was really disappointed a couple years ago when _Legends of the Fall_ was *not* about Mark E. Smith. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:58:25 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on-topic discussion elsewhere In a message dated 2/5/06 5:36:56 PM, glenn@furia.com writes: > So can we get back to talking about movies or the Fall now? > How about Human Switchboard (and Hillary Clinton's preferred private-eye version of same)? http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-arrest5feb05,0,5316500.story?coll=la-h eadlines-california ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:37:32 -0500 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on-topic discussion elsewhere On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:44:50 -0600, "2fs" said: > I was really disappointed a couple years ago when _Legends of the > Fall_ was *not* about Mark E. Smith. Still, if they ever get 'round to it, Brad Pitt might make a very good Mark E. Smith. Or maybe not. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on-topic discussion elsewhere On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, 2fs wrote: > Uh-also, since I'm so unhip as to be unfamiliar with ilx jargon, whutup > "POX"? "Pick Only Ten", I believe. a ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V6 #32 ******************************