From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V6 #30 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, February 4 2006 Volume 06 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] poll results! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results! [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] poll results! [Sarah Gordon ] [loud-fans] the way back machine [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] Should the list put up a film poll as well? [zoom@muppetlabs.] [loud-fans] [Danger - Loud Family Content ["Paul King" Subject: [loud-fans] poll results! Here they are. You'll notice some names repeated for unclear reasons in the one-vote section; that's because different records by the same performer both got votes. In most cases, it was the same person voting for both of them, and none of the top rankings would have changed if those votes were pooled. Also, one person voted for some individual songs rather than records, but as it happened, nobody else voted for either of those performers, so the distinction has been lost. So! ALBUMS 1/ New Pornographers - Twin Cinema (75.26 points) 2/ Decemberists - Picaresque (46.16 points) 3/ Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (38.12 points) 4/ Spoon - Gimme Fiction (26.11 points) 5/ Bloc Party - Silent Alarm (26.09 points) 6/ Pernice Brothers - Discover A Lovelier You (21.1 points) 7/ Low - The Great Destroyer (20.07 points) 8/ Mountain Goats - The Sunset Tree (17.06 points) 9/ Brendan Benson - The Alternative To Love (16.07 points) 10/ M.I.A. - Arular (15.04 points) 11/ Soundtrack Of Our Lives - Origin 1 (13.05 points) 11/ Beck - Guero (13.05 points) 13/ Tori Amos - The Beekeeper (13.04 points) 14/ Maximo Park - A Certain Trigger (13.03 points) 15/ Rogue Wave - Descended Like Vultures (12.05 points) 16/ Kaiser Chiefs - Employment (12.04 points) 17/ Sugarplastic - Will (12.03 points) 18/ Portastatic - Bright Ideas (11.05 points) 19/ Andrew Bird - The Mysterious Production Of Eggs (11.03 points) 20/ Death Cab For Cutie - Plans (10.04 points) 20/ Go-Betweens - Oceans Apart (10.04 points) 22/ Architecture In Helsinki - In Case We Die (10.03 points) 22/ Sleater-Kinney - The Woods (10.03 points) 24/ Franz Ferdinand - You Could Have It So Much Better (9.06 points) 25/ Aimee Mann - The Forgotten Arm (9.05 points) 26/ Garbage - Bleed Like Me (9.04 points) 26/ Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah (9.04 points) 28/ Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene (9.03 points) 28/ Kate Bush - Aerial (9.03 points) 28/ Regina Spektor - Soviet Kitsch (9.03 points) 31/ Queens Of The Stone Age - Lullabies To Paralyze (9.02 points) 31/ Steve Wynn & The Miracle 3 - ...tick...tick...tick (9.02 points) 33/ Josh Rouse - Nashville (8.04 points) 33/ White Stripes - Get Behind Me Satan (8.04 points) 35/ Amy Rigby - Little Fugitive (8.03 points) 36/ National - Alligator (8.02 points) 36/ Wolf Parade - Apologies To The Queen Mary (8.02 points) 36/ Fiery Furnaces - Rehearsing My Choir (8.02 points) 39/ Michael Penn - Mr. Hollywood Jr, 1947 (7.03 points) 39/ Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning (7.03 points) 39/ Deerhoof - The Runners Four (7.03 points) 42/ Teenage Fanclub - Man-Made (7.02 points) 42/ Son Volt - Okemah And The Melody Of Riot (7.02 points) 42/ Hold Steady - Separation Sunday (7.02 points) 45/ Spinto Band - Nice And Nicely Done (6.03 points) 45/ Clientele - Strange Geometry (6.03 points) 47/ Audible - Sky Signal (6.02 points) 47/ dEUS - Pocket Revolution (6.02 points) 47/ Deathray Davies - The Kick And The Snare (6.02 points) 47/ James McMurtry - Childish Things (6.02 points) 47/ Robert Plant & The Strange Sensation - Mighty Rearranger (6.02 points) 52/ Lucksmiths - Warmer Corners (5.03 points) 52/ My Morning Jacket - Z (5.03 points) 52/ Eels - Blinking Lights And Other Revelations (5.03 points) 52/ 88 - Over And Over (5.03 points) 56/ Kingsbury Manx - The Fast Rise And Fall Of The South (5.02 points) 56/ Supergrass - Road To Rouen (5.02 points) 56/ Immaculate Machine - Ones And Zeroes (5.02 points) 56/ Why? - Elephant Eyelash (5.02 points) 56/ Foo Fighters - In Your Honor (5.02 points) 56/ Of Montreal - The Sunlandic Twins (5.02 points) Tied for 62nd with one 5-point vote each: Dungen, Amusement Parks On Fire, Half Man Half Biscuit, Bats, Rosebuds, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead, Sage Francis, Brakes, Kinski, Thee More Shallows, Cass McCombs, James Carter, Cocteau Twins, Goldfrapp, Engineers 77/ Stephen Malkmus - Face The Truth (4.03 points) 78/ Fiona Apple - Extraordinary Machine (4.02 points) 78/ Hot Hot Heat - Elevator (4.02 points) 78/ Outrageous Cherry - Our Love Will Change The World (4.02 points) 78/ Coral - The Invisible Invasion (4.02 points) 78/ Hater - The 2nd (4.02 points) 78/ Nada Surf - The Weight Is A Gift (4.02 points) Tied for 84th with one 4-point vote: Dressy Bessy, Belle And Sebastian, Get Quick, Ladytron, Capes, Richard Hawley, Calla, Robbie Fulks, Paul Wall, Sylvie Lewis, Jens Lekman, Golden Republic, Ford Pier, Marianne Faithfull, Meat Loaf, Broadcast, Radio Dept., Paul Moitan, Steve Barton, Youth Group, System Of A Down, Art Brut, Nothing Painted Blue, Liz Phair 108/ John Vanderslice - Pixel Revolt (3.02 points) 108/ Tullycraft - Disenchanted Hearts Unite (3.02 points) 108/ Animal Collective - Feels (3.02 points) 108/ Orange Peels - Circling The Sun (3.02 points) 108/ Wilco - Kicking Television (3.02 points) 108/ Black Lipstick - Sincerely, Black Lipstick (3.02 points) 108/ Doves - Some Cities (3.02 points) Tied for 115th with one 3-point vote: Thievery Corporation, matt pond PA, Todd Thibaud, Beatles, Okkervil River, Tommy heavenly6, Rolling Stones, Television, Heavenly States, Caribbean, Smallspace, Ida, Belle And Sebastian, Electric Six, Moggs, Stellastarr*, Headphones, Breetles, Summer At Shatter Creek, Waltham, Game, Fall, Madagascar, Sparkwood, Caesars, Bonnie Raitt, Van Morrison, Saints, Gravenhurst, Isolee, Amon Tobin, Imogen Heap, Peter Bruntnell, High Dials, Go! Team, Alaska!, Fall Out Boy, Stars 153/ Sigur Ros - Takk (2.02 points) Tied for 154th with one 2-point vote: Chris Stamey Experience, Susumu Yokota, Arcade Fire, Capitol Years, Information, Echo & The Bunnymen, Gorillaz, Medications, Warfrat Tales Unabridged (v/a), Rachel Stevens, Sunset Rubdown, Devo, Ike, Recloose, Waxfire, Blackalicious, Jeff Hanson, 13 + God, Carla Bruni, Ramones, British Sea Power, Saturday Looks Good To Me, Emm Gryner, Shout Out Louds, Minus The Bear, Madeleine Peyroux, Terry Anderson And The Olympic Ass-Kickin' Team, Kiara Geller, Saint Etienne, Monolake, Saxon Shore, Sanawon, Residents, L'Arc~en~Ciel, Christine Fellows, Trollin Withdrawal, Dickies, Strokes, Ravonettes, Paul McCartney, Kasabian, Juliana Hatfield, Zapruder Point, Run The Road (v/a), Tom Vek, Antony And The Johnsons, Eric Matthews, Mary Timony, New Standards, Hood, Propagandhi, Jens Lekman, Nouvelle Vague, New Model Army, Chris Whitley, Colin Meloy, eels, Kraftwerk, Fluid Ounces, Talking Heads, Johnny Hickman, Our Lady Of The Highway, Evens, Jeffrey Dean Foster, Pine *am, Dar Williams Tied for 220th with one 1-point vote: Blood On The Wall, Bob Drake, Bill Frisell, Well Wishers, Perceptionists, Lonelyhearts, Claude Young, Fake?, Frames, Sam Prekop, Damien Jurado, Vav Jungle, Mi And L'au, LCD Soundsystem, Editors, Bettie Serveert, Ivy, Tenement Halls, Caribou, Sloan, Tosca, Jets Overhead, 50 Foot Wave, Oranger, Kathy Valentine, Mark Mulcahy, Webb Wilder, Posies, El Michels Affair, Transistor Transistor, Brian Wilson, Buttersprites, Question Mark And The Mysterians, Chris Mills, Porcupine Tree, Final Fantasy, Church, Oranges Band, OK Go, They Might Be Giants, Nine Inch Nails, Momus, Question Mark And The Mysterians, Nick Drake, Sarah Harmer, Ad Frank, Laura Veirs, Brian Eno, House Of Love, Oasis, Kanye West, Destroyer, 50 Foot Wave, Head Of Femur, Dead Science, Alec Bathgate, Suicide, Windsor For The Derby, Jackie O Motherfucker, DNA, Ryan Adams, Julian Cope, New Order, Pernice Brothers, Subarachnoid Space, Sun Kil Moon, John Cale, Natasha Bedingfield, Gang Of Four, Fountains Of Wayne, Aesop Rock, Bob Mould, Ben Folds, Piney Gir, Horse The Band MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (raw) 1/ George@sentience.com (7.03 points) 2/ R. Kevin Doyle (6.91 points) 3/ Steve Holtebeck (6.66 points) 4/ Michael Mitton (6.46 points) 5/ Steven Matrick (6.2 points) 6/ CJ Camp (5.88 points) 7/ John Bartlettt (5.69 points) 8/ Jim Robson (5.46 points) 9/ Michael Roeser (5.4 points) 10/ dmw (5.37 points) 11/ Amy Lewis (5.25 points) 12/ Michael Zwirn (5.19 points) 13/ Jeff Norman (5.14 points) 14/ Andrea Weiss (4.96 points) 15/ Jack Lippold (4.8 points) 16/ Tom Krueger (4.74 points) 17/ Roger Winston (4.62 points) 18/ Tiger Reel (4.59 points) 19/ Richard Blatherwick (4.53 points) 20/ Sue Trowbridge (4.52 points) 21/ Miles Goosens (4.34 points) 22/ Michael Curley (4.28 points) 23/ Brian Block (4.25 points) 24/ Larry Tucker (4.16 points) 25/ Stewart Mason (4.13 points) 26/ Randy Beever (3.9 points) 27/ jer fairall (3.87 points) 28/ Chris Prew (3.36 points) 29/ Michael Bowen (3.33 points) 30/ Bradley Skaught (2.53 points) 31/ Jen Grover (2.44 points) 32/ Dave Walker (2.18 points) 33/ Aaron Mandel (1.29 points) 34/ glenn mcdonald (1.21 points) 35/ Dan Stillwell (1.11 points) 36/ Sarah Gordon (0.75 points) 37/ Phred Phlintstone (0.51 points) 38/ Micah B. (0.36 points) 39/ Andrew Hamlin (0.26 points) MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (weighted) 1/ Jim Robson (19.71 points) 2/ Steve Holtebeck (18.36 points) 3/ Michael Mitton (16.5 points) 4/ Sue Trowbridge (15.82 points) 5/ George@sentience.com (14.27 points) 6/ Michael Zwirn (13.82 points) 7/ Jack Lippold (13.75 points) 8/ Michael Curley (13.42 points) 9/ Larry Tucker (12.14 points) 10/ Steven Matrick (11.62 points) 11/ Brian Block (10.56 points) 12/ R. Kevin Doyle (10.47 points) 13/ Tom Krueger (8.44 points) 14/ Tiger Reel (8.42 points) 15/ Michael Roeser (7.7 points) 16/ Chris Prew (7.5 points) 17/ Bradley Skaught (7.3 points) 18/ Richard Blatherwick (6.58 points) 19/ Jeff Norman (6.14 points) 20/ Randy Beever (5.69 points) 21/ CJ Camp (5.54 points) 22/ Amy Lewis (4.86 points) 23/ Andrea Weiss (4.8 points) 24/ Dave Walker (4.51 points) 25/ Dan Stillwell (4.38 points) 26/ Roger Winston (4.14 points) 27/ glenn mcdonald (4.03 points) 28/ dmw (3.79 points) 29/ Aaron Mandel (3.71 points) 30/ Miles Goosens (3.14 points) 31/ jer fairall (3.11 points) 32/ John Bartlettt (2.92 points) 33/ Jen Grover (2.62 points) 34/ Micah B. (1.44 points) 34/ Sarah Gordon (1.44 points) 36/ Phred Phlintstone (1.17 points) 37/ Andrew Hamlin (1.04 points) 38/ Stewart Mason (0.75 points) 39/ Michael Bowen (0.57 points) (For new folks who've read down this far, the raw normality score is the average total score of all the records you voted for. The weighted normality score is the same thing, but weighted by how many points you gave the record-- that is, you get five times as many normality points for listing the New Pornographers first as for listing them 15th.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 20:29:22 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results! Aaron, thanks for doing this, as usual. You are awesome. And thanks to all who voted. It definitely makes me want to check out some stuff I haven't investigated yet. It might be interesting to re-do this in four months or so and see if it has changed significantly. I suspect my personal list would change somewhat, at least the bottom half, which was somewhat arbitrary. There is always more good stuff released in a year than is possible to listen to within that year. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:57:52 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Gordon Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results! > It might be interesting to re-do this in four months or so and see > if it has changed significantly. I fell in love with the Gravenhurst ( http://www.silentagerecords.co.uk/gravenhurst/ ) album too late for it to make the list I sent out, but I cheated and included it in my poll voting. I also am digging on the Jose Gonzalez ( http://www.jose-gonzalez.com/ ) record from last year that I just got my hands on. I expect that there would be a lot of churn in my list if we re-did the poll, but then again, my list was a bit haphazard to begin with.... First great record of 2006: Film School - s/t. Available on emusic, even. http://filmschoolmusic.com/ - -Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:00:58 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] the way back machine He of the two F's has loaned me some live Game Theory videos to add to the compilation, which is now destined to be more than one disc. Tonight Larry and I watched an '86 show and an '84 show. Now, for years I had remembered Curse of the Frontier Land as the first GT song I heard. But we're sitting watching the vid, and Larry starts in, "I'm trying to remember what the first GT song I ever heard was," and after discussing Curse of the Frontier Land, I suddenly realized, NO! It was Nine Lives to Rigel Five. And we remembered proof of this. It really does seem kinda like another lifetime, and yep, scarily enough, we've been married that long. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:59:05 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results! In my apparent role as Pazz & Jop statistician, I might as well provide a little comparison here. LF then P&J rank for the top of the LF list: 1 (9). New Pornographers - Twin Cinema 2 (33). Decemberists - Picaresque 3 (3). Sufjan Stevens - Illinois 4 (14). Spoon - Gimme Fiction 5 (18). Bloc Party - Silent Alarm 6 (104). Pernice Brothers - Discover A Lovelier You 7 (57). Low - The Great Destroyer 8 (29). Mountain Goats - The Sunset Tree 9 (176). Brendan Benson - The Alternative To Love The following things from the P&J top 20 got only one vote each from LF: 1. Kanye West 7. Antony and the Johnsons 11. LCD Soundsystem 19. Go! Team And these got no LF votes: 12. Monk/Coltrane 13. Amadou & Mariam 15. Common 20. Bettye LaVette But I know Cyndy Patrick really likes Amadou & Mariam and didn't vote... glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:28:19 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: [loud-fans] Should the list put up a film poll as well? In the name of having everything the Village Voice has, you know. Keeping up appearances. The Village Voice Take 7 Film Critics Poll hither: http://www.villagevoice.com/take/seven.php?page=home And for the record: Number of the Top Ten seen by me: 2. Number of the Top Ten which appear in my own Top Ten: 1. You knew it was coming--my own Top Ten Films 2005, with Take 7 rankings in parentheses: 1. LETTER FROM AN UNKNOWN WOMAN, dir. Jinglei Xu (did not chart) 2. NOBODY KNOWNS, dir. Kore-eda Hirokazu (#14, 185 points, 19 mentions) 3. EARTH AND ASHES, dir. Atiq Rahimi (did not chart) 4. 3-IRON, dir. Kim Ki-duk (in a two-way tie for #56, 44 points, 4 mentions) 5. TRAVELERS AND MAGICIANS, dir. Khyentse Norbu (in a six-way tie for #110, 9 points, 1 mention) 6. BUFFALO BOY, dir. Minh Nguyen-Vo (did not chart) 7. THE HOLY GIRL, dir. Lucrecia Martel (#9, 260 points, 27 mentions) 8. BROTHERS, dir. Susanne Bier (did not chart) 9. BOATS OUT OF WATERMELON RINDS, dir. Ahmet Ulucay (did not chart) 10. YASMIN, dir. Kenneth Glenaan (did not chart) In case you were wondering, I don't approve of separating out documentaries from non-documentaries. I noticed glenn put his own list up awhile back, and we agree on three titles (though I put BRIGHT FUTURE on my 2004 list). And I'd be remiss in not saying that the "Editor's Corner" on the home page of allmusic.com features, as of right now anyway, THE REAL NIGHTTIME. And IMDb *still* has no listing for THE PARKING ATTENDANT IN JULY (I'm striking out on LEGEND OF THE BLUE WOLVES, too), Andy Herzog Helped Phoenix from Car Wreckage Oscar-nominee Joaquin Phoenix was rescued from his car wreck last week by German cult director Werner Herzog. The 31-year-old Walk The Line star overturned his car on a canyon road above Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood after his brakes failed and he collided with another vehicle. Phoenix was saved because he was wearing his seat-belt, but has revealed he was helped from the wreckage by the 63-year-old, who has a home nearby. The actor says, "I remember this knocking on the passenger window. There was this German voice saying, 'Just relax.' There's the airbag, I can't see and I'm saying, 'I'm fine. I am relaxed. Finally, I rolled down the window and this head pops inside. And he said, 'No, you're not.' And suddenly I said to myself, 'That's Werner Herzog' There's something so calming and beautiful about Werner Herzog's voice. I felt completely fine and safe. I climbed out. I got out of the car and I said, 'Thank you,' and he was gone." - --from imdb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:40:50 -0500 From: "Paul King" Subject: [loud-fans] [Danger - Loud Family Content http://www.allmusic.com/ -- Read today's editor's corner on the main home page. 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